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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

I don't want to interupt your conversation, but what do you mean write one verse that is just as deep? Write something that is better than the Quran?

That is all just public judgement.

There is no final say or absolute judgment on if something is 'as deep' or 'better' It is what it means to the person. As long as Islam has faithful that blindly follow the Quran, it won't matter if someone beats that challenge. It is all a judgement factor, and the 1 billion Muslims will stick with the Quran even if it is wrong because they are Muslim.

Salaam,

Actually it is not up to public judgement.

It is up tot he listener and the way the quran words are placed in rfernce to each other.

It grammar,prose and lyrical beauty is undenied by all muslima nd non muslim as as the peak of arabic.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html

So Allah the creator has mad the challenge to all of mankind from then till now,whether as one or as a group,none can make it..

You can of course try it..
Here is a web site by non muslim,or rather the exact word should be haters of Islam..on this very subject..
no anti-islamic links
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

It grammar,prose and lyrical beauty is undenied by all muslima nd non muslim as as the peak of arabic.

All people have different interpretations of lyrical beauty... therefore there is no definite right awnser. Therefore there cannot be a 100% judge on this.

Next Question.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Brave thread Lavikor. Kudos to you.

Whilst we have very different views over Lebanon and the Occ.Terr's I respect what you're trying to do here.

Maybe at the very least some of my community will start to make the important distinction between Jew and Zionist.

One request though - when you get some of the dumber posts which are clearly punctuated with ignorance, just ignore them. We have a lot of anger right now, I'm sure you can understand that much. If you feel your responses are simply going make them more irate, I would ask you do not reply. Our Prophet pbuh warned us of the dangers of getting angry. Please show us a minor courtesy by not inflaming things unnecessarily.

My thanks.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

But if ye cannot - and of a surety ye cannot - then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.
-- Qur'an 2.24 (trans. A. Yusuf Ali)


Fa-in lam tafAAaloo walan tafAAaloo faittaqooalnnara allatee waqooduha alnnasuwaalhijaratu oAAiddat lilkafireena



http://www.muslimaccess.com/index
(Thank you Manchesterfolk for the site with a legitamate reputation for translating the Quran 100% correctly into English.)

It is no surprise, then, that Muslims have found no sura equal to the Qur'an. The surprise would be if they had, since even admitting the possibility of a better Sura contradicts 2:24, which says "of a surety ye cannot," hence being a sign of disbelief.



Yes it is historical fact recorded in Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Babylonian and many other historic texts that both Temples were built and destroyed on the exact spot the Dome of the Rock sits today by enemies of the Jews. We are not permitted to rebuild and begin sacrifice rituals that we have held in the Temple (thousads of years before islam was created as a religion) until the Messiah comes.


Salaam,

As i said earlier the challenge to make a surah like the quran is not for muslim only but for all of mankind either one or as a group.

As for the wailing wall,you did not asnwer,why does it have to be the exact smae place?

For muslim we know why it is revered,but why do you revere it in religon context?
If it is becasue the jews had a nation there and built it out of location and not due to any significatn reason,then it is not any more holy than any other place that can be consecarted to your god.

Seacrching wikipedia it is referenced that the Holies of Holy is exactly where the Dome of the Rock mosque is,so jews or rahter non-high preist are not allowed entry.

Can you perhaps read this and tell me if the content are true..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall

And since it is wikipedia,you cna make comment and chage the article if they are substantiated to be true..
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

All people have different interpretations of lyrical beauty... therefore there is no definite right awnser. Therefore there cannot be a 100% judge on this.

Next Question.
Salaam,

Like i said,it is not just the peauty of the spoken words but also the prose and grammar..


http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...acle/ijaz.html

I tried to post the other link from anti islamic site but i guss you will have to search for it yourself...just search for ----
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

As i said earlier the challenge to make a surah like the quran is not for muslim only but for all of mankind either one or as a group.

It is still opinion based on which is 'better gramar' and Muslims are sure to side with the Quran even if they are wrong. It is a flawed system from my point of view.

As for the wailing wall,you did not asnwer,why does it have to be the exact smae place?

What do you mean by the exact same place?

The Temple Mount is one of the holiest place in Judaism, the closest we get to it is the Wall. The Temple must be built on the Temple Mount when the Messiah comes because that is G-d's will.

Seacrching wikipedia it is referenced that the Holies of Holy is exactly where the Dome of the Rock mosque is,so jews or rahter non-high preist are not allowed entry.

Religious Jews will not go to the Temple Mount because there must be a process to make you spiritually clean enough to go there. I would never go on the Temple Mount. The closest to it I can get is the Western Wall. The last resemblance of a time of Jewish bliss. In the Holy Land with our Temple built.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Salaam,


Can you post more into the detail of the Judaic Prophecy of your messiah?

Also will this messiah find the true Arc?
 
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To behave justly in all relationships, and to establish courts of justice.
To refrain from blaspheming Gods name.
To refrain from practicing idolatry. (some Jews say Christians pray to jesus fall in this category.)
To avoid immoral practices, specifically incest and adultery.
To avoid shedding the blood of ones fellow man. (unless self defense, like somone will kill you if you don't.)
To refrain from robbing ones fellow man. (no stealing)
To refrain from eating a limb torn from a live animal..



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what about homosexuality can jewish people be gay???
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

It is still opinion based on which is 'better gramar' and Muslims are sure to side with the Quran even if they are wrong. It is a flawed system from my point of view.



What do you mean by the exact same place?

The Temple Mount is one of the holiest place in Judaism, the closest we get to it is the Wall. The Temple must be built on the Temple Mount when the Messiah comes because that is G-d's will.



Religious Jews will not go to the Temple Mount because there must be a process to make you spiritually clean enough to go there. I would never go on the Temple Mount. The closest to it I can get is the Western Wall. The last resemblance of a time of Jewish bliss. In the Holy Land with our Temple built.


Salaam,

Actually no,every muslim wno know about th challenge speak of it from then till now.
You too can try or a group of your jews cna try to do it,it can be sent to non muslim arab lingusit who also say that the quran is epic of arabic,guess you did not see the link i provided.

As for my Question does the temple have to be in the same place,is becasue becasueing while the jews were cursed with roaming the world they carried the arc of covenant and made a holy temple anywhere.The Holies of Holies were also where the temple they set up.

It is only after they stayed put did they actually build a temple that was destroyed,and rebuilt and destroyed till only the wailing wall is rebuilt.


So i would say the location is not important but arc of covenant is,do the jews still have it?

And you ahve not answered me about the messiac propehcy as seen thru jewish eyes.


So you say religious jews will not enter the temple ground unless they are cleansed,but i read that only the high priest may enter the or approach the Holy of Holies?
Is this wrong?
If the waliling wall is as close as is noted,is it ok for non preist non high priest jews to be there?


Also you ahve said that the wall itself is not important but it is the idea or link to past glory and not to god.

And when you say Jewish bliss,do not even jewish historian say that the Jewish golden age ws in the time of Islamic rule?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain
 
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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Can you post more into the detail of the Judaic Prophecy of your messiah?

Many false prophets have claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and claim the 'Jews rejected there Messiah' when in reality the Messiah has no come yet. Look bellow and see if you think the Messiah has come yet according to the Torah. Presented with a problem all of the fake prophets decided to gain followers by saying 'the Torah is corrupted' ... this was the only way they could have any legitamcy amoung followers since the Torah completly disputed there claims of being the Messiah or a Prophet.

The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
The whole world will worship the One G-d of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of G-d" (Isaiah 11:2)
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Knowledge of G-d will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
All Jews will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
For My House shall be called a house of prayer for all nations (Isaiah 56:3-7)
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
He will then perfect the entire world to serve G-d together, as it is written (Zephaniah 3:9)
Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)


what about homosexuality can jewish people be gay???

The Torah (Hebrew Bible) is the primary classical source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a to'eva" (Leviticus 18:22).

The term to'eva is usually translated as "abomination" and is used in the Bible to refer to a variety of forbidden acts including incest, idolatry, eating unclean animals, and economic injustice. In the context of sexual prohibitions, the word is also interpreted by the Talmud to be a contraction of the words to'eh ata vah, meaning "You deviate from what is natural." (literally "You are wandering astray with it" since the Hebrew word to'e means "wandering", ata "you", vah "with it")

As for my Question does the temple have to be in the same place,is becasue becasueing while the jews were cursed with roaming the world they carried the arc of covenant and made a holy temple anywhere.The Holies of Holies were also where the temple they set up.

The Temple must be on the Temple mount. It is where our temple was way before the Dome of the Rock or Islam for that matter.

The mitzva in the Torah is to build a temple at the place where Hashem chooses. That mount is where G-d chose. Therefore it has nothing to do with the Arc of the Covanent.

G-d chose this mount thousands of years before Mohammad when Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab world was a land of pagans killing eachother, and the only religion worshiping one true G-d was Judaism.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Many false prophets have claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and claim the 'Jews rejected there Messiah' when in reality the Messiah has no come yet. Look bellow and see if you think the Messiah has come yet according to the Torah. Presented with a problem all of the fake prophets decided to gain followers by saying 'the Torah is corrupted' ... this was the only way they could have any legitamcy amoung followers since the Torah completly disputed there claims of being the Messiah or a Prophet.

The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
The whole world will worship the One G-d of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of G-d" (Isaiah 11:2)
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Knowledge of G-d will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
All Jews will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
For My House shall be called a house of prayer for all nations (Isaiah 56:3-7)
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
He will then perfect the entire world to serve G-d together, as it is written (Zephaniah 3:9)
Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)




The Torah (Hebrew Bible) is the primary classical source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a to'eva" (Leviticus 18:22).

The term to'eva is usually translated as "abomination" and is used in the Bible to refer to a variety of forbidden acts including incest, idolatry, eating unclean animals, and economic injustice. In the context of sexual prohibitions, the word is also interpreted by the Talmud to be a contraction of the words to'eh ata vah, meaning "You deviate from what is natural." (literally "You are wandering astray with it" since the Hebrew word to'e means "wandering", ata "you", vah "with it")



The Temple must be on the Temple mount. It is where our temple was way before the Dome of the Rock or Islam for that matter.

The mitzva in the Torah is to build a temple at the place where Hashem chooses. That mount is where G-d chose. Therefore it has nothing to do with the Arc of the Covanent.

G-d chose this mount thousands of years before Mohammad when Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab world was a land of pagans killing eachother, and the only religion worshiping one true G-d was Judaism.


Salaam

I was thinking more about a time line.
What comes first and so on.

By the way are you an orthodox judasit or a reformed jews?

Are there differences between the propehcies wihtin these 2 breaks?

Salaam,as for the temple,again i say according to your own history,the temple moved with the jewish people.

The Holies of Holy and the Arc of Covenant went along with the temple.

So can you tell me why it has to be there?
Just becasue in olden time it was there or a link to past glory?
For you the temple and arc of the covenant is not linked?


For you to read..

[PIE]Where is the Temple?

by Tuvia Sagiv



One of the problems in researching the Temple that has not been solved is its location. Using a special method of research, the temple's location may be estimated along with its levels. Using this method, the relationships in the expanse between the functions that were outside of the temple mount and their relationship to the Temple were examined, for example, the water supply to the Temple.

The literary descriptions were also examined in light of Jerusalem's topographic reality, for example, locating the crag upon which the Antonia Fortress stood.

In light of these tests, the following assumptions may be made:


° The remains of the Jewish Temple are concealed within the expanse that is between the Dome of the Rock and the El Aktza Mosque

° The level of the Herodian Temple mount is sixteen meters lower than the level of the present day square

° The Dome of the Rock resides at the location of the Antoinia Fortress

By comparing the site's measurements, style and method of construction with other similar sites built throughout the Roman Empire from an architectural point of view, it may be assumed that the Haram el Sharif was built during the second century.

It may be proved that the El Aktza Mosque and the Dome of the Rock were built on top of the remains of a Roman temple like the Temple to Jupiter that was built in Baal Bek in Lebanon.

It may be assumed that the Roman emperor Adrianos built the Haram el Sharif and not Herod. Following Adrianos' victory over Bar Kochva, he evicted the Jews from Jerusalem and covered the remains of the Jewish Temple. He erected a statue of himself riding a horse on the location of the Holy of Holies and around the Temple Mount, which was small itself, he built a giant wall that restricted Haram el Sharif. It was there that he built the Temple to Jupiter.

In accordance with this study, the Wailing Wall, the place where the Jews have been saying their prayers for over four hundred, is located exactly opposite the Temple and the Holy of Holies.

Tuvia Sagiv
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This is the link

http://www.templemount.org/sagiv00.html
http://www.templemount.org/
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Salaam,

The tabernacle...

[PIE]A Tabernacle in the Desert
Let them make Me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. (Exodus 25:8).
Moses did not suggest to God that a Tabernacle should be built and then God agreed to occupy it. God lovingly looked down upon His people as He directed them toward the Promised Land. He would not only guide them, He would dwell with them to give them constant assurance of His shepherdly care. Yahweh instructed Moses to build the Tabernacle in the midst of the camp, just as a Bedouin chieftain would pitch his tent in the midst of an encampment. Furthermore the complete blueprints for this strange tent, courts, and furniture were given to Moses on Mount Sinai.

The Tabernacle itself was basically a huge elaborate tent about forty-five feet long divided into two parts by a curtain, or veil. The first room, upon entering - called "the Holy Place" - was about thirty feet by fifteen feet in size. In the center of the room, before the veil was the ark of incense standing about three feet high. On it was placed charcoal and a mixture of incense and aromatic resins. This incense was burned twice a day.

On the left of this altar was the seven branched golden candlestick (the Menorah). On the right was the Table of Showbread where twelve loaves of bread were placed in two piles of six. The bread, a memorial to the twelve tribes of Israel, was renewed every Sabbath day.
The Holy of Holies
Beyond the veil was the holiest place known as the Holy of Holies. The dimensions were 15 cubits on a side - approximately 22 feet on a side. Inside the Holy of Holies was the Ark of the Covenant. And above the Ark was the Mercy Seat.

The Ark was a wooden chest made to Divine specifications to contain the two tablets of the Law, Aaron's rod that budded and a pot of manna. Made out of acacia wood, this strange cabinet-like box with carrying poles was also known as the Ark of the Law. It was about four feet long and two and one half feet high. The Ark was covered inside and outside with gold. There were four rings fixed to its side through which two carrying poles were passed. The Ark was placed under the care of the Levites, who were exempt from military duties.

On the top of the Ark was the mercy seat that had two golden cherubim with outstretched wings at its ends. The Cherubim, of which little is known, were winged celestial creatures whose purpose was to guard and protect.

The Mercy Seat received its name because the High Priest, once a year on the Day of Atonement, sprinkled it with the blood of the sacrifice. This was the most sacred place in the entire Sanctuary. It was to symbolize the visible throne of the invisible presence of God.
How God Communicated to Man
It was from the Holy of Holies God spoke to His people:
And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, of all things which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel. (Exodus 25:22)

So as i said,the temple can be where you want i to be right.
And the arc of covenant is important,for can you use a fake one for the holies of holy?For god to sit on?

And the Lord said to Moses: "Tell Aaron your brother not to come at simply any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat." (Leviticus 16:2)
The Tabernacle was erected each time God indicated to the children of Israel they were to temporarily halt from their march in the wilderness. The imagery is clear - this tent was only a temporary structure, looking forward to the day when a permanent house of the Lord could be built.

Numerous Bible commentaries have commented in detail on the symbols of the Ark, the sacrifices, the furnishings, the courts and the Tabernacle. These matters can be studied with great benefit by believers today for the principles of God's dealings with His people are the same in every generation even though the coming of Messiah has brought a fulfillment of the many types and pictures portrayed by the Tabernacle of Moses.
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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

I just noticed that a number of prior posts are off topic and are a debate between the value of various religions. Rather then being a question answer post, in accordance with the original topic.

I am now in the process of deleting the off topic posts and references to the off topic subjects.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Here is the explanation:

It says to build the Temple in the place of G-d's choosing. See Deut. 12:5 "But only to the place which the Lord your God shall choose from all your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there." Similarly in verse 11 "And it will be, that the place the Lord, your God, will choose in which to establish His Name there you shall bring all that I am commanding you: Your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the separation by your hand, and the choice of vows which you will vow to the Lord."

G-d let David know via prophecy that He wanted it built on that place.

The tabernacle was a forerunner to the Holy Temple. The Tabernacle was considered a temporary "home" for G-d, initially made in the desert while the Israelites were on the move, the Temple in Jerusalem was established when the people were well srettled in their land.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Here is the explanation:

It says to build the Temple in the place of G-d's choosing. See Deut. 12:5 "But only to the place which the Lord your God shall choose from all your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there." Similarly in verse 11 "And it will be, that the place the Lord, your God, will choose in which to establish His Name there you shall bring all that I am commanding you: Your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the separation by your hand, and the choice of vows which you will vow to the Lord."

G-d let David know via prophecy that He wanted it built on that place.

The tabernacle was a forerunner to the Holy Temple. The Tabernacle was considered a temporary "home" for G-d, initially made in the desert while the Israelites were on the move, the Temple in Jerusalem was established when the people were well srettled in their land.

Salaam,
I have read duetronomy and not just that verse that you refer to,
there is no mention of god commanding you to build a fixed temple anywhere.

[PIE]12:1. These are the precepts and judgments, that you must do in the land, which the Lord the God of thy fathers will give thee, to possess it all the days that thou shalt walk upon the earth.
Haec sunt praecepta atque iudicia quae facere debetis in terra quam Dominus Deus patrum tuorum daturus est tibi ut possideas eam cunctis diebus quibus super humum gradieris

12:2. Destroy all the places in which the nations, that you shall possess, worshipped their gods upon high mountains, and hills, and under every shady tree:
Subvertite omnia loca in quibus coluerunt gentes quas possessuri estis deos suos super montes excelsos et colles et subter omne lignum frondosum

12:3. Overthrow their altars, and break down their statues, burn their groves with fire, and break their idols in pieces: destroy their names out of those places.
Dissipate aras earum et confringite statuas lucos igne conburite et idola comminuite disperdite nomina eorum de locis illis

12:4. You shall not do so to the Lord your God:
Non facietis ita Domino Deo vestro

12:5. But you shall come to the place, which the Lord your God shall choose out of all your tribes, to put his name there, and to dwell in it:
Sed ad locum quem elegerit Dominus Deus vester de cunctis tribubus vestris ut ponat nomen suum ibi et habitet in eo venietis

12:6. And you shall offer in that place your holocausts and victims, the tithes and firstfruits of your hands and your vows and gifts, the firstborn of your herds and your sheep.
Et offeretis in illo loco holocausta et victimas vestras decimas et primitias manuum vestrarum et vota atque donaria primogenita boum et ovium
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The link here,http://www.newadvent.org/bible/deu012.htm

[PIE]Deuteronomy Chapter 12
All idolatry must be extirpated: sacrifices, tithes, and firstfruits must be offered in one only place: all eating of blood is prohibited.[/PIE]

So in short the verses say that god will lead you a place where upon you are to destroy all the other faith in that region and force the other to either leave or abandon their religon.
After which you are to offer god thanks and worship.
But then again that is the purpose of the tabenacle,for you to worship god anywhere anytime.

But that is a matter of interpretation.

Now you ahve not answered is the arc important for the temple to exist?Supposedly wihout the ar you cannot have the seat of mercy.
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Hi lavikor I have two questions I'd liek to ask you, I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I 'm making you reapeat yourself. But you know 17 pages.... :) My questions are a genuiine inquiry. It might seem as I have a hidden agenda, but I'm really interested in your answer.
anyway so my questions are:

1. Are there concepts in Islam that are contradictory to your faith? Something that might lead to the conclusions that Islam is not the follow up on Jadaism? NOt necesairly the same contradictions, but something simular as the contradictions we find inbetween christianity and Islam (trinity, origenal sin, garuantee of reward in afterlife for having the right faith).

2. Are there specific reasons why Jesus and muhammed (Peace and blessings be upon them both) are not recognised as prophets in judaism? Is there some sort of ruling on this by officials, or is this something the average jew simply doesn't take under consideration. And if the posibility is open , are there religious reasons to be inclined agains recognising them. Or would you guess that it is more a question of other factors like: history, poletics, personal preferance or a lack of knowledge on the life and message of Jesus and Muhammed (pbut)?

Thanks in advance for your time
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Hello.... I enjoyed this topic unfortunately I didn't get past page 10 if you have already replied to what I am about to ask kindly refer me to the page instead of taking the time to re-write again...
I had a few Hasidic friends one as a lab partner in under grad I didn't wish to get into religious topics with any as it always appeared to me anyhow as a sensitive topic...
1st Q what are those strings that hang off their pocket?
2- why do young boys only cut their hair at age 3?
3- DO you consider the Talmud a holy book? many of us believe that they were secret texts written by Jews after they were defeated by Titus and were written by Men and are not the word of God. if so how do you feel about them?
4- When you say Hashem? that is God's name to you so why do you say Hashem and not God... essentially if they are on in the same why are there no dashes in ha-hem? as such?
5- what is the Mishna? is there such a thing? there is a hadith about these texts and I always wondered what they were?
6- I don't want to get political and you don't have to answer this if you don't want but do you believe that the current state of Israel is secular or religious?
7- I know a member here wrote that there are three texts of God but in fact there are five....
scrolls of Abraham, psalms of David, torah of Moses, the bible of Jesus and of course the Quran, how do you feel about the Psalms and the scrolls if you don't believe in the other two? Again you don't have to answer that Q but I believe the Psalms are a part of the new testament..
lastly I wanted to make a comment about supplication.... it isn't a request prayer... aside from the usual fundamental prayers Muslims make... supplications are made for one to establish a closer bond almost like a dialogue with God as opposed to the usual prayers which are recitations of the text..
Lastly when you say Cohen? is that a derivative of a word Kahen? like a religious hermit? I am not sure it sounds like a European expectations when the original Jews were of middle eastern origin Cohen doesn't seem of Semitic tongue... lastly in Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18 speaks
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

we believe that to be of the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) in fact some of the old Jews of Yathrib had moved there especially awaiting him... he was illiterate hence God's words in his mouth and obviously from amongst their brethren denoting from Ishmael... I got the sense recently that some Jews hated the prophet Ishmael... is their anything in the torah that denotes he is not a good person? it has bewildered me some since some Christians malign him so much yet (Job) also from the bible is from the Ishmael blood line not the Jacob one... Muslims make no distinctions between God's messengers so I was curious of Jewish prospective

thank you for your time
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Zulkiflim, do not present me with the Catholic version of the Old testament, and its Latin translation. That won't get you anywhere when debating Judaism. So take away the misquoted Old Testament interpretations of newadvent.com

Now since we the fact that you are presenting the Catholic version of the Old Testement to a Jew, lets explore what you are asking.

You are asking why must there be a Temple on the Temple mount?

It says in the Torah that the Jews must build the temple where G-d shows us… G-d showed us the Temple mount.

In many of the books of the Tanakh it shows where the temple must be built, and the strict requirements on how to build it.

Now about the Ark. The Temple requires the Ark to be present for the third temple. The Messiah (moshiakh) will know exactly where it was hidden though.



1. Are there concepts in Islam that are contradictory to your faith? Something that might lead to the conclusions that Islam is not the follow up on Jadaism? NOt necesairly the same contradictions, but something simular as the contradictions we find inbetween christianity and Islam (trinity, origenal sin, garuantee of reward in afterlife for having the right faith).

Are there specific reasons why Jesus and muhammed (Peace and blessings be upon them both) are not recognised as prophets in judaism? Is there some sort of ruling on this by officials, or is this something the average jew simply doesn't take under consideration. And if the posibility is open , are there religious reasons to be inclined agains recognising them. Or would you guess that it is more a question of other factors like: history, poletics, personal preferance or a lack of knowledge on the life and message of Jesus and Muhammed (pbut)?

First off does Islam accept the Torah as the word of G-d? No.
Does Islam follow the Torah's laws and teachings? No.

Right there that means Islam is not the ''follow up' of Judaism.

Muhammad did not qualify by Judaism and the Torah to be a prophet. He did not fufil the specific requirements to be a prophet. So he decided the Torah was wrong, not him.

No prophet no matter what can ever say that the Torah is irrelevant. The Messiah's and Prophets sent by G-d will be very strict in keeping the laws of the Torah. This was true for every prophet.

Jesus and Muhammad both did not fufil any requirements whatsoever to be a Prophet or Messiah. The Trinity is viewed as polythiesm by many of our Rabbi's and others say it is not. It is a debate I won't get into.

Basicaly the fact that you accept Muhammad and Jesus as a prophet is a contradiction to Judaism. The fact that you say the Quran is G-d's word is a contradiction. We are told specificaly that anyone that says that G-d has written a book and the Torah does not count anymore is a contraditction.

So of course the only for Islam to get around this is to say that the Torah is 'corrupted'... Which if false, but we will not get into deeper details of me proving why.

Muhammad and Jesus both did not follow the Torah's rules, and they also presented other sources from where to follow laws instead of the Torah which basically proves they were not profits sent by G-d under Jewish law. So as I said before... when Jewish law proved him wrong, he said Jewish law was 'corrupted'.. but no more of this because we both have completly different ideals.

what are those strings that hang off their pocket?
Tzit Tzit, or Tallit katan which have threads hang from a vest under his shirt that remind him G-d is on all sides of him.

Speak to the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes on the borders of their garments throughout their generations... (Numbers 15:38)

why do young boys only cut their hair at age 3?

On his third birthday, there is a special ceremony where the hair is cut short except for the sidecurls. At this time, he also receives his first set of tzitzit (a four-cornered garment with special tassels, see next Q-6 below). He is now no longer a baby, but a child, which is a different category with more responsibility. The hair-cutting ceremony is usually followed by a happy celebration for his family and friends.

DO you consider the Talmud a holy book? many of us believe that they were secret texts written by Jews after they were defeated by Titus and were written by Men and are not the word of God. if so how do you feel about them?

The Talmud (תלמוד) is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs and history. It is the fundamental source of Jewish Law. The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah, which is the first written compendium of Judaism's Oral Law which was given to us by G-d to explain many of the things in the Torah; and the Gemara, a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings, that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh.

Today it is available in English translation...but it remains a text that must be studied with a teacher...as has been the case for over one thousand years-that is the system of Jewish learning.

People tend to mistrabslate it a lot. Whenever I see some of the ridiculous websites that misquote, mistranslate and flat out make up lies about the talmud I laugh very hard.

When you say Hashem? that is God's name to you so why do you say Hashem and not God... essentially if they are on in the same why are there no dashes in ha-hem? as such?
5- what is the Mishna? is there such a thing? there is a hadith about these texts and I always wondered what they were?

Hashem is not G-d's name. Hashem is a way to mean G-d but it is not his holy name.

Hashem = The Name

We refer to Hashem when we speak. We do not say G-d, we say Hashem because his real name "ado-noi" (there are also many other ways to say it like Lo-rd, ect....) we do not say it outside of prayer.
We do not say G-d's real name in speech when it does not have to do with prayer or torah study. We say Hashem because his name is very sacred.


what is the Mishna? is there such a thing? there is a hadith about these texts and I always wondered what they were?

The Mishnah (Hebrew משנה, "repetition") is a major source of rabbinic Judaism's religious texts. It is the first recording of the oral law of the Jewish people, as championed by the Pharisees and is considered the first work of Rabbinic Judaism.

Basicaly many of the laws were oraly passed down by millions of Jews to there sons and daughters until we decided to write them down. :-)

I don't want to get political and you don't have to answer this if you don't want but do you believe that the current state of Israel is secular or religious?

It is apparent the current state of Israel is secular. All of the laws are not Jewish law, but instead common moral law. This was done out of love for all the other religions living in Israel so they would not be forced upon Jewish law on them. Most religious people take there cases to private religious courts though and settle it there.

Lastly when you say Cohen? is that a derivative of a word Kahen? like a religious hermit? I am not sure it sounds like a European expectations when the original Jews were of middle eastern origin Cohen doesn't seem of Semitic tongue...

A kohen (or cohen, Hebrew כּהן, "priest", pl. כּהנִים, kohanim or cohanim), is assumed to be a direct male descendant of the Biblical Aaron, brother of Moses.

During the existence of the Temple in Jerusalem, kohanim performed specific duties vis-à-vis the daily and festival sacrificial offerings. The Kohen Gadol (High Priest) played a special role during the service of Yom Kippur. Today, kohanim retain a distinct personal status within Judaism and are still bound by special laws.

To awnser your question "kohanim" is completly semetic, and is mentioned in the Torah for the laws pertaining them.

we believe that to be of the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) in fact some of the old Jews of Yathrib had moved there especially awaiting him... he was illiterate hence God's words in his mouth and obviously from amongst their brethren denoting from Ishmael... I got the sense recently that some Jews hated the prophet Ishmael... is their anything in the torah that denotes he is not a good person? it has bewildered me some since some Christians malign him so much yet (Job) also from the bible is from the Ishmael blood line not the Jacob one... Muslims make no distinctions between God's messengers so I was curious of Jewish prospective

The Jews come from the side of Abraham that is Isaac and Jacob. Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac when he was told to stop, and instead was given another animal to sacrifice.

That is the Jewish belief. You all replaced Isaac with "Ishmael" of course which was completly unheard of in Judaism for thousands of years until your religion was created.

Jews are from the descendants of Isaac and Jacob. Ishmaels half brother. And in turn Isaac was the child of Abraham that was almost sacrificed as a test to show Abrahams true devotion to G-d.
 
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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

First of all thanks for your reply, I realise this thread must be quite challanging as we are with so many all asking questions, it must take up a lot of time, so I do apreaciate that. If you don't mind I'd liek to look at your anwers somewhat more in detail.

First off does Islam accept the Torah as the word of G-d? No.
Does Islam follow the Torah's laws and teachings? No.
So if I undersatnd correctly judaism sees the Torah as the exact word of God as it was revealed to Moses (peace and blessings be upon him)?

Right there that means Islam is not the ''follow up' of Judaism.
Maybe I'm pointing out the bleeding obvious here, but that means under no circumstance it is possible for a jew to think that part of the Torah wa man's interpretation of what happened, and thus derived from teh origenal message. (sorry if that sugestion is offensive, just asking)

Muhammad did not qualify by Judaism and the Torah to be a prophet. He did not fufil the specific requirements to be a prophet. So he decided the Torah was wrong, not him.
So from your perspective, did muhammed (peace be upon him) not qualify because contradicted the Torah, or did he contradict teh Torah because he didn't qualify according to it. Seems like a circular argument, is there another reason why he did not qualify?

No prophet no matter what can ever say that the Torah is irrelevant. The Messiah's and Prophets sent by G-d will be very strict in keeping the laws of the Torah. This was true for every prophet.
I'm confused, forgive my ignorance, but you believe the Torah was brought by prophet moses (peace be upon him), right? So when you say that the recognition of this was true for all prophets that means there are prophets after moses (peace be upon him) that were accepted in jaduaism as prophets? Who were they?

Jesus and Muhammad both did not fufil any requirements whatsoever to be a Prophet or Messiah. The Trinity is viewed as polythiesm by many of our Rabbi's and others say it is not. It is a debate I won't get into.
Well we have teh same opinion on trinity, so i won't debate your vision on that, however I would like to point out trinity was only introduced some 300 years after teh death of Jesus (peace be upon him). But I see how he also contradicted some rulings of the Torah beside that so we needn't go into that deeper I think.

Muhammad and Jesus both did not follow the Torah's rules, and they also presented other sources from where to follow laws instead of the Torah which basically proves they were not profits sent by G-d under Jewish law.

I think that's rather odd, could you perhaps explain more in depth? I mean According to Judaism there's still two prophets who are supposed to come right? But they cannot bring any new revelation since that will be considered a deviation on the faith? Well if such a person would come, why would you want to call him a prophet if he doesn't prophetise any knew revelations? Isn't that a little bit contradicting?
 
Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!

Zulkiflim, do not present me with the Catholic version of the Old testament, and its Latin translation. That won't get you anywhere when debating Judaism. So take away the misquoted Old Testament interpretations of newadvent.com

Now since we the fact that you are presenting the Catholic version of the Old Testement to a Jew, lets explore what you are asking.

You are asking why must there be a Temple on the Temple mount?

It says in the Torah that the Jews must build the temple where G-d shows us… G-d showed us the Temple mount.

In many of the books of the Tanakh it shows where the temple must be built, and the strict requirements on how to build it.

Now about the Ark. The Temple requires the Ark to be present for the third temple. The Messiah (moshiakh) will know exactly where it was hidden though.





First off does Islam accept the Torah as the word of G-d? No.
Does Islam follow the Torah's laws and teachings? No.

Right there that means Islam is not the ''follow up' of Judaism.

Muhammad did not qualify by Judaism and the Torah to be a prophet. He did not fufil the specific requirements to be a prophet. So he decided the Torah was wrong, not him.

No prophet no matter what can ever say that the Torah is irrelevant. The Messiah's and Prophets sent by G-d will be very strict in keeping the laws of the Torah. This was true for every prophet.

Jesus and Muhammad both did not fufil any requirements whatsoever to be a Prophet or Messiah. The Trinity is viewed as polythiesm by many of our Rabbi's and others say it is not. It is a debate I won't get into.

Basicaly the fact that you accept Muhammad and Jesus as a prophet is a contradiction to Judaism. The fact that you say the Quran is G-d's word is a contradiction. We are told specificaly that anyone that says that G-d has written a book and the Torah does not count anymore is a contraditction.

So of course the only for Islam to get around this is to say that the Torah is 'corrupted'... Which if false, but we will not get into deeper details of me proving why.

Muhammad and Jesus both did not follow the Torah's rules, and they also presented other sources from where to follow laws instead of the Torah which basically proves they were not profits sent by G-d under Jewish law. So as I said before... when Jewish law proved him wrong, he said Jewish law was 'corrupted'.. but no more of this because we both have completly different ideals.


Tzit Tzit, or Tallit katan which have threads hang from a vest under his shirt that remind him G-d is on all sides of him.

Speak to the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes on the borders of their garments throughout their generations... (Numbers 15:38)



On his third birthday, there is a special ceremony where the hair is cut short except for the sidecurls. At this time, he also receives his first set of tzitzit (a four-cornered garment with special tassels, see next Q-6 below). He is now no longer a baby, but a child, which is a different category with more responsibility. The hair-cutting ceremony is usually followed by a happy celebration for his family and friends.



The Talmud (תלמוד) is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs and history. It is the fundamental source of Jewish Law. The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah, which is the first written compendium of Judaism's Oral Law which was given to us by G-d to explain many of the things in the Torah; and the Gemara, a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings, that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh.

Today it is available in English translation...but it remains a text that must be studied with a teacher...as has been the case for over one thousand years-that is the system of Jewish learning.

People tend to mistrabslate it a lot. Whenever I see some of the ridiculous websites that misquote, mistranslate and flat out make up lies about the talmud I laugh very hard.



Hashem is not G-d's name. Hashem is a way to mean G-d but it is not his holy name.

Hashem = The Name

We refer to Hashem when we speak. We do not say G-d, we say Hashem because his real name "ado-noi" (there are also many other ways to say it like Lo-rd, ect....) we do not say it outside of prayer.
We do not say G-d's real name in speech when it does not have to do with prayer or torah study. We say Hashem because his name is very sacred.




The Mishnah (Hebrew משנה, "repetition") is a major source of rabbinic Judaism's religious texts. It is the first recording of the oral law of the Jewish people, as championed by the Pharisees and is considered the first work of Rabbinic Judaism.

Basicaly many of the laws were oraly passed down by millions of Jews to there sons and daughters until we decided to write them down. :-)



It is apparent the current state of Israel is secular. All of the laws are not Jewish law, but instead common moral law. This was done out of love for all the other religions living in Israel so they would not be forced upon Jewish law on them. Most religious people take there cases to private religious courts though and settle it there.



A kohen (or cohen, Hebrew כּהן, "priest", pl. כּהנִים, kohanim or cohanim), is assumed to be a direct male descendant of the Biblical Aaron, brother of Moses.

During the existence of the Temple in Jerusalem, kohanim performed specific duties vis-à-vis the daily and festival sacrificial offerings. The Kohen Gadol (High Priest) played a special role during the service of Yom Kippur. Today, kohanim retain a distinct personal status within Judaism and are still bound by special laws.

To awnser your question "kohanim" is completly semetic, and is mentioned in the Torah for the laws pertaining them.



The Jews come from the side of Abraham that is Jacob. Abraham was about to sacrifice Jacob when he was told to stop, and instead was given another animal to sacrifice.

That is the Jewish belief. You replace Jacob with "Ishmael" of course which was completly unheard of in Judaism for thousands of years until your religion was created.

Jews are from the descendants of Jacob. Ishmaels half brother. And in turn Jacob was the child of Abraham that was almost sacrificed as a test to show Abrahams true devotion to G-d.
Thanks for that... perhaps as the previous poster requested you can answer his Q's for us....
I'd just like to comment on Abraham sacrificing Isaac... just the mere fact that it states take your "only" son to sacrifice to us denotes that some tampering was done in the Torah... as Ishmael was the eldest son and by virtue wouldn't make Jacob the "only" son... be that as it may. We are also told that the entire house of Abraham and descendants would be blessed not just in the Quran so again I don't understand the exclusion... I don't know if Job is an old testament of new testament prophet but he is from the Ishmaelite side and obviously puts another dent in the fact that Ishmael and his descendants are bad or whatever mystery surrounds them... Either way all messengers go back and forth between Yemen to Iraq to Canaan so to us they are all of middle eastern origin. by the way... Yes Muslims accept the torah as the book of God I believe we have mentioned that before... Jews are Christians are considered people of the book, [Shakir 2:285] The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.
[Yusufali 2:285] The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
[Pickthal 2:285] The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.
however we believe much tampering has happened as no two versions are the same and often left to interpretation and reinterpretation. But we believe that the Talmud and Mishna were written by Jews who didn't like what God said in the Torah... please don't take offense at that... but as you explained they are rabbinic explanations... To us God's word is obvious and needs no reinterpretation.... BTW did you answer about the other texts? maybe I missed it, the scrolls of Abraham and the Psalms of David.... ... you know when you mentioned earlier about the Tallit katan do they need to be blessed? in Islam you can make supplication for God's protection from all sides and to always be with you....Thanks so much for all of this it is much appreciated.......
 
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