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Where can I read the English version of the Torah online?
Where can I read the English version of the Torah online?
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Here is a reliable source of the Torah. The Torah holds in it 613 Laws that the Jewish people must follow.
Click Here for: English Text of the Torah
This is the Order of the Books:
Bereshiat - Genesis
Shemot - Exodus
Vayikra - Leviticus
Bamidbar - Numbers
Devarim - Deuteronomy
And remember that it the English language cannot always explain the true meaning of a word in Hebrew. So it is always best to know Hebrew to read the Torah and gain all the info needed. But seeing how you most likley do not know Hebrew, I wish you luck in your understanding of the overall Message of the Torah.
Here is a reliable source of the Torah. The Torah holds in it 613 Laws that the Jewish people must follow.
Click Here for: English Text of the Torah
This is the Order of the Books:
Bereshiat - Genesis
Shemot - Exodus
Vayikra - Leviticus
Bamidbar - Numbers
Devarim - Deuteronomy
And remember that it the English language cannot always explain the true meaning of a word in Hebrew. So it is always best to know Hebrew to read the Torah and gain all the info needed. But seeing how you most likley do not know Hebrew, I wish you luck in your understanding of the overall Message of the Torah.
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Thats so true, same goes with the Quran in Arabic. I think ill take a look at it.
Thnx for sharin da link.
Thats so true, same goes with the Quran in Arabic. I think ill take a look at it.
Thnx for sharin da link.
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What is the Jewish nation waiting for? Lavikor if you are a sincere believer you will not disbelieve or misinterpret the words of the Torah.
"AND THE AHMED OF ALL NATIONS WILL COME." - HAGGAI, ii.7.
"And I will shake all nations, and the Himdah all the nations will come; and I will fill this house with glory, says the Lord of hosts. Mine is the silver, mine is the gold, says the Lord of hosts, the glory of my last house shall be greater than that of the first one, says the Lord of hosts; and in this place I will give Shalom, says the Lord of hosts" (Haggai, ii. 7-9).
Jewish and Christian commentators alike have given the utmost importance to the double promise contained in the above prophecy. They both understand a messianic predic- tion in the word Himda. Indeed, here is a wonderful pro- phecy confirmed by the usual biblical formula of the divine oath, "says the Lord Sabaoth," four times repeated. If this prophecy be taken in the abstract sense of the words himda and shalom as "desire" and "peace," then the prophecy becomes nothing more than an unintelligible aspiration. But if we understand by the term himda a concrete idea, a person and reality, and in the word shalom, not a condition, but a living and active force and a definitely established religion, then this prophecy must be admittedly true and fulfilled in the person of Ahmed and the establishment of Islam. For himda and shalom - or shlama have precisely the same significance respectively as Ahmed and Islam.
What is the Jewish nation waiting for? Lavikor if you are a sincere believer you will not disbelieve or misinterpret the words of the Torah.
"AND THE AHMED OF ALL NATIONS WILL COME." - HAGGAI, ii.7.
"And I will shake all nations, and the Himdah all the nations will come; and I will fill this house with glory, says the Lord of hosts. Mine is the silver, mine is the gold, says the Lord of hosts, the glory of my last house shall be greater than that of the first one, says the Lord of hosts; and in this place I will give Shalom, says the Lord of hosts" (Haggai, ii. 7-9).
Jewish and Christian commentators alike have given the utmost importance to the double promise contained in the above prophecy. They both understand a messianic predic- tion in the word Himda. Indeed, here is a wonderful pro- phecy confirmed by the usual biblical formula of the divine oath, "says the Lord Sabaoth," four times repeated. If this prophecy be taken in the abstract sense of the words himda and shalom as "desire" and "peace," then the prophecy becomes nothing more than an unintelligible aspiration. But if we understand by the term himda a concrete idea, a person and reality, and in the word shalom, not a condition, but a living and active force and a definitely established religion, then this prophecy must be admittedly true and fulfilled in the person of Ahmed and the establishment of Islam. For himda and shalom - or shlama have precisely the same significance respectively as Ahmed and Islam.
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Wow. Strong words, but little info. Haggai is not the Torah. Haggai was a inor prophets writings of two chapters in the Tanakh. Use your analysis on the actual texts now... how about that? Instead of fake text.
2:7 and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith HaShem of hosts.
2:8 Mine is the silver, and Mine the gold, saith HaShem of hosts.
2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than that of the former, saith HaShem of hosts; and in this place will I give peace, saith HaShem of hosts.'
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Haggai2.html
Yes. Unlike many other religions, the foundation of Jewish belief is that all non-Jews must do to go to heaven is follow the Seven Laws of Noah, and live righteous lives.
Yes. If you would like an outline of why, just ask.
Even though it may not seem so, it is debatable.
Christians accept Jesus as someone more than a complete fake, which Jews see him as.
According to the Torah, a book that Christianity and Islam both accept (evn though islam claims it was corrupted, which I believe is completly false) Jesus can in no way be a prophet because he does not fufil any requirements to be a prophet or a Messiah.
No.
Some Jews say that it should be, but in no way is that true because the Holocaust broke the third oath with G-d stating that as long as the Jews are not persecuted in exile, they cannot break oath 1 which is taking back the land of Israel where the Jews had lived thousands of years before Islam or Christianity. I think the Holocaust counts as (persecution) Some Jews who were not effected by the Holocaust say the oath wasn't broken, but they werent effected by the Holocaust. 1/3 of every Jew died in the Holocaust I believe and almost all Jews know somone who died in it, except the Mizrahi Jews who never left Israel so they weren't in Europe. Over 1 Million Mizrahi Jews live in Israel, and trace there family history to always living in Israel before Islam.
Wow. Strong words, but little info. Haggai is not the Torah. Haggai was a inor prophets writings of two chapters in the Tanakh. Use your analysis on the actual texts now... how about that? Instead of fake text.
2:7 and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith HaShem of hosts.
2:8 Mine is the silver, and Mine the gold, saith HaShem of hosts.
2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than that of the former, saith HaShem of hosts; and in this place will I give peace, saith HaShem of hosts.'
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Haggai2.html
Yes. Unlike many other religions, the foundation of Jewish belief is that all non-Jews must do to go to heaven is follow the Seven Laws of Noah, and live righteous lives.
Yes. If you would like an outline of why, just ask.
Even though it may not seem so, it is debatable.
Christians accept Jesus as someone more than a complete fake, which Jews see him as.
According to the Torah, a book that Christianity and Islam both accept (evn though islam claims it was corrupted, which I believe is completly false) Jesus can in no way be a prophet because he does not fufil any requirements to be a prophet or a Messiah.
No.
Some Jews say that it should be, but in no way is that true because the Holocaust broke the third oath with G-d stating that as long as the Jews are not persecuted in exile, they cannot break oath 1 which is taking back the land of Israel where the Jews had lived thousands of years before Islam or Christianity. I think the Holocaust counts as (persecution) Some Jews who were not effected by the Holocaust say the oath wasn't broken, but they werent effected by the Holocaust. 1/3 of every Jew died in the Holocaust I believe and almost all Jews know somone who died in it, except the Mizrahi Jews who never left Israel so they weren't in Europe. Over 1 Million Mizrahi Jews live in Israel, and trace there family history to always living in Israel before Islam.
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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!
lavikor201, than you for your replies.
What are the Seven laws of Noah? Why do Jews have to follow 631 laws while other follow only seven?
Is he considered a good Jew? And do Jews believe the Christian view on Jesus’s life story? Do Jews believe in the virgin birth?
Does the original Torah even exist?
1.) Even though Jews lived in Israel before Islam and Christianity, weren’t they always the small minority, living under numerous non-Jewish empires?
2.) Shouldn’t Jews be persecuted by Palestinians in order to take over Israel? Why are Palestinians suffering away because of a foreign party?
3.) The Holocaust was not exclusively for Jews. All non-Aryans in Nazi Germany were killed.
4.) Do you honestly think the Israel today is the Israel Yahweh envisioned?
5.) By Jews, do you mean Jews by name or by practice? Most Jews in Israel are non-practicing.
6.) Do you consider Jews who oppose Zionism as misguided?
Thanks.
lavikor201, than you for your replies.
What are the Seven laws of Noah? Why do Jews have to follow 631 laws while other follow only seven?
Is he considered a good Jew? And do Jews believe the Christian view on Jesus’s life story? Do Jews believe in the virgin birth?
Does the original Torah even exist?
1.) Even though Jews lived in Israel before Islam and Christianity, weren’t they always the small minority, living under numerous non-Jewish empires?
2.) Shouldn’t Jews be persecuted by Palestinians in order to take over Israel? Why are Palestinians suffering away because of a foreign party?
3.) The Holocaust was not exclusively for Jews. All non-Aryans in Nazi Germany were killed.
4.) Do you honestly think the Israel today is the Israel Yahweh envisioned?
5.) By Jews, do you mean Jews by name or by practice? Most Jews in Israel are non-practicing.
6.) Do you consider Jews who oppose Zionism as misguided?
Thanks.
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إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالنَّصَارَى وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحاً فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ {62}
[Shakir 2:62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."
it should be noted that this verse refers to those Sabeans, Jews and Christians who, as sincere faithful, followed the original teachings of their respective prophets, without ever corrupting the true message, and believing in the prophecy of the advent of Muhammad made known by Musa, Isa and other prophets (see Baqarah: 40), and also those of them who lived in the days of the Holy Prophet but died before the news of his proclamation of the promised prophethood could reach them, because surely they would have come into the fold of Islam if they had known about it. Belief in the unity of Allah and the day of judgement and doing good is the spirit of Islam. This was the religion all the messengers of Allah preached to their people.
if we will have an inter-faith dialogue we should research the other person's religion before stating/ or deciding who is going where.... Ultimately God only knows whom his hosts are on this earth as it states in Sura 74 ".......وَمَا يَعْلَمُ جُنُودَ رَبِّكَ إِلَّا هُوَ ......"[Shakir 74:31] None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him....
ultimately what the Jews and Christians think of Jesus, Moses or Mohammed (PBUT) or the Muslim world is inconsequential to me, and I hope inconsequential to most Muslims... we take our deeds, and intentions before the court of God not the court of people's opinions and desires..... with that being said sorry for the interruptions and carry on.....
Again as Insightful as this debate was, I'd like to comment on the fact that in accordance with Islamic teaching not all Jews or Christians are going to hell... of the true believers it was said
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالنَّصَارَى وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحاً فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ {62}
[Shakir 2:62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."
it should be noted that this verse refers to those Sabeans, Jews and Christians who, as sincere faithful, followed the original teachings of their respective prophets, without ever corrupting the true message, and believing in the prophecy of the advent of Muhammad made known by Musa, Isa and other prophets (see Baqarah: 40), and also those of them who lived in the days of the Holy Prophet but died before the news of his proclamation of the promised prophethood could reach them, because surely they would have come into the fold of Islam if they had known about it. Belief in the unity of Allah and the day of judgement and doing good is the spirit of Islam. This was the religion all the messengers of Allah preached to their people.
if we will have an inter-faith dialogue we should research the other person's religion before stating/ or deciding who is going where.... Ultimately God only knows whom his hosts are on this earth as it states in Sura 74 ".......وَمَا يَعْلَمُ جُنُودَ رَبِّكَ إِلَّا هُوَ ......"[Shakir 74:31] None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him....
ultimately what the Jews and Christians think of Jesus, Moses or Mohammed (PBUT) or the Muslim world is inconsequential to me, and I hope inconsequential to most Muslims... we take our deeds, and intentions before the court of God not the court of people's opinions and desires..... with that being said sorry for the interruptions and carry on.....
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The Jews were 'chosen' to obey all 613 laws of the Torah. That is our duty to G-d. A non-Jew is only responsible of following 7 Laws, being a good person, and not being Anti-Jewish.
They are misguided. And some are down right traitors, as in raids, IDF found proof that an Anti-Zionist Rabbi was recieving 50k a month from Arafat. But we do not discuss politics here.
Seven Laws:
To behave justly in all relationships, and to establish courts of justice.
To refrain from blaspheming G-ds name.
To refrain from practicing idolatry.
To avoid immoral practices, specifically incest and adultery.
To avoid shedding the blood of ones fellow man.
To refrain from robbing ones fellow man.
To refrain from eating a limb torn from a live animal.
In the next post I will tell you why Jesus could not have been the Messiah or a prophet according to Jewish Law.
Yes. Every Saturday Morning we read a portion of it.
No, Jews completly ran the land while fending off pagans trying to destroy the idea of 'monotheism'...
The Jews were conquered at times, and would rebel ect, but the majority of time the Jews ran the land of Israel, until Chrsitianity and Islam basically converted all pagans and then fought eachother in crusades where Jews were usually always victims.
No. We were persecuted during the Holocaust which broke the oath.
Palestinians are not suffering from a 'foreign party' Palestinians in Israel are under rule of a people who have lived in Israel for thousands of years, and then were exiled for a short time, compaed to its extensive history in the region.
6 Million Jews were killed and 6 Million gypsys, gays, communists, ect... were killed.
I will not even get into who helped the Nazi's many times, which they weren't 'exactly aryans'... and they didnt like jews much.
Not nessesarily. The Israel G-d envisioned will not b complete until the Messiah comes.
75% of Jews are not 'orthodox' or traditional in there beliefs that does not mean they do not 'practice' judaism.
But before the 1700's all Jews were Orthodox,and traditional in there beliefs. The people who changed that were 'womens rights' people who felt that they did not like the different responsibilities men and women had. Claiming they wanted 'male laws' but would not give up to men the special laws women were given. Very hypocritical.
Most are. Some are traitors since there was proof found in Arafats computer that he paid 50K a month to a high up anti-zionist, rabbi, and this was and this was admitted.
The Jews were 'chosen' to obey all 613 laws of the Torah. That is our duty to G-d. A non-Jew is only responsible of following 7 Laws, being a good person, and not being Anti-Jewish.
They are misguided. And some are down right traitors, as in raids, IDF found proof that an Anti-Zionist Rabbi was recieving 50k a month from Arafat. But we do not discuss politics here.
Seven Laws:
To behave justly in all relationships, and to establish courts of justice.
To refrain from blaspheming G-ds name.
To refrain from practicing idolatry.
To avoid immoral practices, specifically incest and adultery.
To avoid shedding the blood of ones fellow man.
To refrain from robbing ones fellow man.
To refrain from eating a limb torn from a live animal.
In the next post I will tell you why Jesus could not have been the Messiah or a prophet according to Jewish Law.
Yes. Every Saturday Morning we read a portion of it.
No, Jews completly ran the land while fending off pagans trying to destroy the idea of 'monotheism'...
The Jews were conquered at times, and would rebel ect, but the majority of time the Jews ran the land of Israel, until Chrsitianity and Islam basically converted all pagans and then fought eachother in crusades where Jews were usually always victims.
No. We were persecuted during the Holocaust which broke the oath.
Palestinians are not suffering from a 'foreign party' Palestinians in Israel are under rule of a people who have lived in Israel for thousands of years, and then were exiled for a short time, compaed to its extensive history in the region.
6 Million Jews were killed and 6 Million gypsys, gays, communists, ect... were killed.
I will not even get into who helped the Nazi's many times, which they weren't 'exactly aryans'... and they didnt like jews much.
Not nessesarily. The Israel G-d envisioned will not b complete until the Messiah comes.
75% of Jews are not 'orthodox' or traditional in there beliefs that does not mean they do not 'practice' judaism.
But before the 1700's all Jews were Orthodox,and traditional in there beliefs. The people who changed that were 'womens rights' people who felt that they did not like the different responsibilities men and women had. Claiming they wanted 'male laws' but would not give up to men the special laws women were given. Very hypocritical.
Most are. Some are traitors since there was proof found in Arafats computer that he paid 50K a month to a high up anti-zionist, rabbi, and this was and this was admitted.
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First off this is my belief, and I hope you take no offense to this at all if you believe other wise. Again, I hope this offends no one.
Any questions about where you can find any of the proof I have stated can be Private Messaged to me. I will provide the proof of anything on here. All of thid info can be found out with a Hebrew Dictionary and a Bible pretty much.
I have no problem with anyone who claims Jesus is there Messiah. it is there right and they may think that. But to claim he is my religions Messiah is just untrue.
Missionaries claim that Jesus fuffiled a prophecy that the Messiah would be born of a virgin.
They attempt to prove this from a verse, which even many contemporary Christian editions of the bible translate to read (Isaiah 7:14) "Therefore the L-rd himself shall give you a sign: Behold a young women shall concieve and beat a son, and shall call his name Immanuel"
The idea of gods and demigods being born from virgins occurs in many places in pagan mythology.
When Matthew (1:23) wuotes this passage and translated it into the Greek of the New Testement, his anxiety to prove a point led him to actually mistranslate this passage.
He translate the Hebrew world ALMA (go look it up) which means "young women" as "Virgin"... Then we have the instant prediction of the virgin birth of the Messiah.
But the word for virgin in Hebrew is BESULAH (go look it up) and ALMA is never translated to mean "Virgin"
More honest recent Christian Bible translations such as the Revised Standard Edition, The Jerusalem Bible, and the New English Bible have corrected this original error. Furthermore, there is absolutley no evidence that this speaks of the Messiah at all. It was directed at King Ahaz and according to most Biblical commentators, speaks of the birth of King Hezekia rather than the Messiah.
It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Non-Jews
7) Bringing the Messiah
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1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH
A. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
B. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
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3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. (Look it up in any Hebrew Dictionary)
A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman(llok it up), but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." It was very common in tales of Pagan gods for them to be born of a virgin mother.
B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet." (Look it up in a hebrew dictionary)
C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."
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4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation -- i.e. G-d speaking to the entire nation. If G-d is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that G-d sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "G-d did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us -- who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.
A. G-D AS THREE?
The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks G-d into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.
B. MAN AS G-D?
Roman Catholics believe that G-d came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that G-d is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that G-d assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)
C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?
The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary -- i.e. confessing one's sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and G-d. As the Bible says: "G-d is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between G-d and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)
D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD
Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.
By contrast, Judaism believes that G-d created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.
The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don't retreat from life, we elevate it.
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6) JEWS AND Non-Jews
Judaism does not demand that everyone convert to the religion. The Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. King Solomon asked G-d to heed the prayers of non-Jews who come to the Holy Temple (Kings I 8:41-43). The prophet Isaiah refers to the Temple as a "House for all nations."
The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they'd never have destroyed it.
Jews have never actively sought converts to Judaism because the Torah prescribes a righteous path for gentiles to follow, known as the "Seven Laws of Noah." Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these basic moral laws earns a proper place in heaven.
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7) BRINGING THE MESSIAH
Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity (and Islam) is part of G-d's plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a greater understanding of G-d. All this is in preparation for the Messianic age. (the Jewish view on it... we all have our own views, and again I hope I offend no one when explaining mine)
Indeed, the world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. War and pollution threaten our planet; ego and confusion erode family life. To the extent we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions a Jew is asked on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"
How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.
The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. G-d is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today -- if you hearken to His voice."
Again, I hope I did not offend anyone with my belifs. Make your own descion. We can debate it in another thread, but this is for questions about Judaism.
Christians can believe in Jesus as the Messiah, it is there right... Just don't proclaim him as mine. For the last time,I hope I offended no one.
First off this is my belief, and I hope you take no offense to this at all if you believe other wise. Again, I hope this offends no one.
Any questions about where you can find any of the proof I have stated can be Private Messaged to me. I will provide the proof of anything on here. All of thid info can be found out with a Hebrew Dictionary and a Bible pretty much.
I have no problem with anyone who claims Jesus is there Messiah. it is there right and they may think that. But to claim he is my religions Messiah is just untrue.
Missionaries claim that Jesus fuffiled a prophecy that the Messiah would be born of a virgin.
They attempt to prove this from a verse, which even many contemporary Christian editions of the bible translate to read (Isaiah 7:14) "Therefore the L-rd himself shall give you a sign: Behold a young women shall concieve and beat a son, and shall call his name Immanuel"
The idea of gods and demigods being born from virgins occurs in many places in pagan mythology.
When Matthew (1:23) wuotes this passage and translated it into the Greek of the New Testement, his anxiety to prove a point led him to actually mistranslate this passage.
He translate the Hebrew world ALMA (go look it up) which means "young women" as "Virgin"... Then we have the instant prediction of the virgin birth of the Messiah.
But the word for virgin in Hebrew is BESULAH (go look it up) and ALMA is never translated to mean "Virgin"
More honest recent Christian Bible translations such as the Revised Standard Edition, The Jerusalem Bible, and the New English Bible have corrected this original error. Furthermore, there is absolutley no evidence that this speaks of the Messiah at all. It was directed at King Ahaz and according to most Biblical commentators, speaks of the birth of King Hezekia rather than the Messiah.
It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Non-Jews
7) Bringing the Messiah
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1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH
A. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
B. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
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3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. (Look it up in any Hebrew Dictionary)
A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman(llok it up), but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." It was very common in tales of Pagan gods for them to be born of a virgin mother.
B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet." (Look it up in a hebrew dictionary)
C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."
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4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation -- i.e. G-d speaking to the entire nation. If G-d is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that G-d sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "G-d did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us -- who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.
A. G-D AS THREE?
The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks G-d into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.
B. MAN AS G-D?
Roman Catholics believe that G-d came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that G-d is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that G-d assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)
C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?
The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary -- i.e. confessing one's sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and G-d. As the Bible says: "G-d is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between G-d and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)
D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD
Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.
By contrast, Judaism believes that G-d created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.
The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don't retreat from life, we elevate it.
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6) JEWS AND Non-Jews
Judaism does not demand that everyone convert to the religion. The Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. King Solomon asked G-d to heed the prayers of non-Jews who come to the Holy Temple (Kings I 8:41-43). The prophet Isaiah refers to the Temple as a "House for all nations."
The Temple service during Sukkot featured 70 bull offerings, corresponding to the 70 nations of the world. The Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much benefit they were getting from the Temple, they'd never have destroyed it.
Jews have never actively sought converts to Judaism because the Torah prescribes a righteous path for gentiles to follow, known as the "Seven Laws of Noah." Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these basic moral laws earns a proper place in heaven.
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7) BRINGING THE MESSIAH
Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity (and Islam) is part of G-d's plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a greater understanding of G-d. All this is in preparation for the Messianic age. (the Jewish view on it... we all have our own views, and again I hope I offend no one when explaining mine)
Indeed, the world is in desperate need of Messianic redemption. War and pollution threaten our planet; ego and confusion erode family life. To the extent we are aware of the problems of society, is the extent we will yearn for redemption. As the Talmud says, one of the first questions a Jew is asked on Judgment Day is: "Did you yearn for the arrival of the Messiah?"
How can we hasten the coming of the Messiah? The best way is to love all humanity generously, to keep the mitzvot of the Torah (as best we can), and to encourage others to do so as well.
The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. G-d is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today -- if you hearken to His voice."
Again, I hope I did not offend anyone with my belifs. Make your own descion. We can debate it in another thread, but this is for questions about Judaism.
Christians can believe in Jesus as the Messiah, it is there right... Just don't proclaim him as mine.
For the last time,I hope I offended no one.lavikor201
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Re: Questions about Judaism awnsered by a Jew!
Jews pray in Hebrew of course. Some prayers are said all together with the congregation in song, and others are said individualy to ones self in low chanting. Here are exampls of traditional Jewish prayer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4152414699377642&q=morning+prayers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1809556903324717547&q=shavuoth/sabbath
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6994049247043945669&q=jewish+morning+prayers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1920478090479187240&q=zalman+leib
Jews pray in Hebrew of course. Some prayers are said all together with the congregation in song, and others are said individualy to ones self in low chanting. Here are exampls of traditional Jewish prayer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4152414699377642&q=morning+prayers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1809556903324717547&q=shavuoth/sabbath
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6994049247043945669&q=jewish+morning+prayers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1920478090479187240&q=zalman+leib
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1) How does one become a jew? i heard that is someone excepts Judaism they are not a full jew as their ancestors etc did not accept it or you can't be a full jew if you did not inherit it from your forefathers, is this true?
2) Is zionism the new form of judaism?
3) what is the relationship between the books of Judaism and zionism (The Thalmud and Zorah).
4) What are the beliefs of the majority of the people in israel, Zionism or Judaism?
Thanks for the info.
1) How does one become a jew? i heard that is someone excepts Judaism they are not a full jew as their ancestors etc did not accept it or you can't be a full jew if you did not inherit it from your forefathers, is this true?
2) Is zionism the new form of judaism?
3) what is the relationship between the books of Judaism and zionism (The Thalmud and Zorah).
4) What are the beliefs of the majority of the people in israel, Zionism or Judaism?
Thanks for the info.
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1) How does one become a jew? i heard that is someone excepts Judaism they are not a full jew as their ancestors etc did not accept it or you can't be a full jew if you did not inherit it from your forefathers, is this true?
2) Is zionism the new form of judaism?
3) what is the relationship between the books of Judaism and zionism (The Thalmud and Zorah).
4) What are the beliefs of the majority of the people in israel, Zionism or Judaism?
Thanks for the info.
1) How does one become a jew? i heard that is someone excepts Judaism they are not a full jew as their ancestors etc did not accept it or you can't be a full jew if you did not inherit it from your forefathers, is this true?
2) Is zionism the new form of judaism?
3) what is the relationship between the books of Judaism and zionism (The Thalmud and Zorah).
4) What are the beliefs of the majority of the people in israel, Zionism or Judaism?
Thanks for the info.
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I'm Orthodox in about all my beliefs.
Orthodox Jews follow all the traditional rulings, and traditions and laws of Judaism.
Reform Judaism, is like a liberal judaism that does not follow laws that have to do with ways of slaughtering animals, laws that exclude women, laws that exclude men ect.... Its a very 'hippy way' of doing it.
Once you convert you are a full Jew. We believe every convert is actually a better Jew than some Jews born into it.
Jews with full Jewish ancestors are Jewish ebcause there ancestors saw G-d's might and power, and saw him give us the Torah.
Converts never saw this, they converted on faith alone. This is very admirable in Judaism.
Zionism is a political movement that is for the Jews having a homeland in the Holy Land where Jews had lived and rules thousands of years before Islam and Christianity and then were exiled from it. Zionism is the political movement to reclaim our land.
There are millions upon millions of Christian Zionists as well.
You mean the 'Torah"? Not "Zorah" lol.... ;D
Were not getting into politics here....
Read what Zionism is, I wrote you a description.
You think that you can't be both. They don't contradict eachother as you may have been taught.
Zionism is a movement to regain the Jews rightful land, while Judaism is to follow the laws of the Torah and other religious requirements.
I'm Orthodox in about all my beliefs.
Orthodox Jews follow all the traditional rulings, and traditions and laws of Judaism.
Reform Judaism, is like a liberal judaism that does not follow laws that have to do with ways of slaughtering animals, laws that exclude women, laws that exclude men ect.... Its a very 'hippy way' of doing it.
Once you convert you are a full Jew. We believe every convert is actually a better Jew than some Jews born into it.
Jews with full Jewish ancestors are Jewish ebcause there ancestors saw G-d's might and power, and saw him give us the Torah.
Converts never saw this, they converted on faith alone. This is very admirable in Judaism.
Zionism is a political movement that is for the Jews having a homeland in the Holy Land where Jews had lived and rules thousands of years before Islam and Christianity and then were exiled from it. Zionism is the political movement to reclaim our land.
There are millions upon millions of Christian Zionists as well.
You mean the 'Torah"? Not "Zorah" lol.... ;D
Were not getting into politics here....
Read what Zionism is, I wrote you a description.
You think that you can't be both. They don't contradict eachother as you may have been taught.
Zionism is a movement to regain the Jews rightful land, while Judaism is to follow the laws of the Torah and other religious requirements.
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lavikor201, I hope I do not offend you, and we will all look foward to your awnser, but I can awnser this one to.
I am an Orthodox Jew, and I have already read in this thread that lavikor201 is an Orthodox Jew also.
Both are recongnized I guess.
I mean Orthodox Judaism is the following of all of the 613 Mitvot of the Torah, while Reform Judaism is a much more liberal movement, which does not keep all of the laws, and believes that the laws are outdated.
They still practice Judaism and are considered to Jews, but are a little 'lost' in there teachings.
Again lavikor201, I hope you do not see this as me 'hijacking' your thread and if you do not want me to awnser questions than just say so and I won't.
lavikor201, I hope I do not offend you, and we will all look foward to your awnser, but I can awnser this one to.
I am an Orthodox Jew, and I have already read in this thread that lavikor201 is an Orthodox Jew also.
Both are recongnized I guess.
I mean Orthodox Judaism is the following of all of the 613 Mitvot of the Torah, while Reform Judaism is a much more liberal movement, which does not keep all of the laws, and believes that the laws are outdated.
They still practice Judaism and are considered to Jews, but are a little 'lost' in there teachings.
Again lavikor201, I hope you do not see this as me 'hijacking' your thread and if you do not want me to awnser questions than just say so and I won't.
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The tenth verse of the forty-ninth chapter of Genesis as follows: -
"The Sceptre shall not depart from Judah, And the Lawgiver from between his feet, Until the coming of Shiloh, And to him belongeth the obedience of peoples."
Who is the Shiloh?
The tenth verse of the forty-ninth chapter of Genesis as follows: -
"The Sceptre shall not depart from Judah, And the Lawgiver from between his feet, Until the coming of Shiloh, And to him belongeth the obedience of peoples."
Who is the Shiloh?
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Can the temple be a very big complex, where it's divided equally among Muslims and Jews, which they can pray together in the same building like the Hebron mosque?
Can the temple be a very big complex, where it's divided equally among Muslims and Jews, which they can pray together in the same building like the Hebron mosque?
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Thx for the info Lavikor,
My bad about the "Zorah" :hiding:
But i saw marches where such things as "Zionism is not Judaism" and "No zionism = peace" and these slogans where prtrayed by Jews :rollseyes
Also I hear Britains cheif Rabbi such as Goldstien Denounces Zionism and says they are not part of Judaism. Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum also says:
"...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel... and it is most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel..."
Thx for the info Lavikor,
My bad about the "Zorah" :hiding:
But i saw marches where such things as "Zionism is not Judaism" and "No zionism = peace" and these slogans where prtrayed by Jews :rollseyes
Also I hear Britains cheif Rabbi such as Goldstien Denounces Zionism and says they are not part of Judaism. Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum also says:
"...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel... and it is most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel..."
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