Questions about Judaism answered by a Jew!

  • Thread starter Thread starter lavikor201
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 2K
  • Views Views 217K
Status
Not open for further replies.
Amazing? Not really. Remember that the devil's ultimate goal is to get humans to commit acts of disbelief so they can go to hell forever. The devil didn't leave the body when Quran was being read because the person reading it was not strong enough in faith to be able to take on the devil, the devil was stronger. But then, when the man said "In the name of Jesus", what do you think the devil would do? He would realise, "hey wait a sec, if I leave this guys body now, these Muslims are going to think that it happened because they mentioned the name of Jesus, and they would become Christians, thereby earning themselves an eternity in the hell fire".... realising that he no longer needs to posses the body, the devil leaves... the men convert to Christianity... mission completed...

Mat 12:22 22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the Son of David?" 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons." 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
 
I read earlier that when the temple is rebuilt, sacrifices will start again. What is the relationship of sacrifices to redemption and forgiveness? Is there a Jewish belief on why God instituted them?
 
Mat 12:22 22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the Son of David?" 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons." 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Alright, please take this out to another thread. Thanks.

I read earlier that when the temple is rebuilt, sacrifices will start again. What is the relationship of sacrifices to redemption and forgiveness? Is there a Jewish belief on why God instituted them?

Not sure exactly why. But we are commanded to do sacrifices in the Torah during the times the Holy Temple is built. The Moshiach will reinstitue sacrifices when he comes and builds the Beit Hamiktash.

I suggest this reading:

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=267&o=2543
http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/05-Worship/section-75.html
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=137&o=144491
http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/f/sacrifice_replc.htm
 
Last edited:
can a jew eat halal meat?

Assalaamu alaykum,

we all know the christians will eat practically anything despite the restrictions in their book and have abandoned God commanded methods of slaughter in favour of ease except in minority of cases such as some of the christians living in muslim lands.

muslims can eat the meat of the people, i.e the meat slaughtered by christians and jews as long as slaughtered in the correct manner, according to the methods laid down by God and cutting the throat.

but do jews believe the same? can they eat halal meat as it is killed in the name of God or not? if not why not?

just curious.

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Re: can a jew eat halal meat?

No. Halal meat is a bit different and less stricter when it comes to certain things than Kosher meat is. The only thing more strict on the Halal diet is no Alcohol. I believe no matter how close Halal meat is to Kosher meat, if it is not Kosher it is not any different from other non-Kosher meat.

Good link for reading:

http://meat.tamu.edu/kosher.html
 
I'd like to respond to what was said earlier (especially the attack on Desmond Tutu), but these kind of discussions never seem to come to an end, and I have been responsible for several off-topic discussion in this thread already, so I'll end it here.

I do have a question:

One of the Jews on this forum once wrote the following:

In the end of days, once the true Israel is created and Moshiach is king, Gog and Magog will wage war with Israel and try to destroy the true Israel (and all the Jews). After a very firce and violent battle with many losses, HaShem will save the Jews of Israel and destroy all evil in the world; Leviathan and Behemoth will appear and have a battle in which they both die, and people will sacrifice their bodies to HaShem. This will hapen by the Jewish year 6000.

Finally, once all that is through with, in the year 6000 it is guestimated, the seventh millennium will begin as an era of holiness, tranquility, spiritual life, and worldwide peace, called Olam Haba, where all people will know God directly.

My question is: What does it mean that people will sacrifice their bodies to God?
 
What does it mean that people will sacrifice their bodies to God?

It means that they will fight in a war, and the possibility of their deathwill be very high yet they will still fight in the name of G-d.
 
Last edited:
Re: can a jew eat halal meat?

Assalaamu alaykum,

we all know the christians will eat practically anything despite the restrictions in their book and have abandoned God commanded methods of slaughter in favour of ease except in minority of cases such as some of the christians living in muslim lands.

muslims can eat the meat of the people, i.e the meat slaughtered by christians and jews as long as slaughtered in the correct manner, according to the methods laid down by God and cutting the throat.

but do jews believe the same? can they eat halal meat as it is killed in the name of God or not? if not why not?

just curious.

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

I don't mean to go off topic, but as this is about Jews eat and by comparison what then also Muslims and Christians eat, I think I need to correct a mis-statement in this post.

It is true that Christians can and do eat almost anything. The mis-statement is the nature of restrictions on what Christians can eat. While some Christians think that some restrictions might still be maintained, most understand Peter's vision, in Acts 10, as God lifting the restrictions on what is pure or impure to eat.
9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

I will admit that there are other interpretations of that passage, and other comments about staying away from certain foods offered to idols, etc, but I won't get into interpreation as that is not part of this thread. Simply, then as an FYI statement, I hope other readers here will understand that the vast majority of Christians regard this passage as a lifting of the Jewish laws regarding dietary restrictions. When read that way, there remain no dietary restrictions in the Bible for Christians to ignore.
 
do you know of any website where i can listen to torah in hebrew as it is read/chanted in synagogue that is not mp3 (which take way too long on dial up connection)?
todah!
 
do you know of any website where i can listen to torah in hebrew as it is read/chanted in synagogue that is not mp3 (which take way too long on dial up connection)?
todah!

I don't know. I have never found a site that isn't where you download it.
 
Re: can a jew eat halal meat?

I don't mean to go off topic, but as this is about Jews eat and by comparison what then also Muslims and Christians eat, I think I need to correct a mis-statement in this post.

It is true that Christians can and do eat almost anything. The mis-statement is the nature of restrictions on what Christians can eat. While some Christians think that some restrictions might still be maintained, most understand Peter's vision, in Acts 10, as God lifting the restrictions on what is pure or impure to eat.

I will admit that there are other interpretations of that passage, and other comments about staying away from certain foods offered to idols, etc, but I won't get into interpreation as that is not part of this thread. Simply, then as an FYI statement, I hope other readers here will understand that the vast majority of Christians regard this passage as a lifting of the Jewish laws regarding dietary restrictions. When read that way, there remain no dietary restrictions in the Bible for Christians to ignore.

no offence but i'll take JC's (peace be upon him) view on this one over people who came after him. Jesus was a practicing jew and observed the laws of moses.

as did the early christians who took the rule of James after him, not saul of tarsus and who even made converts face the chop if they become christians (circumcision) and the other christians mocked them and laughed at them even though they only followed the prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) in all aspects of his life including dietary.

Abu Abdullah
 
no offence but i'll take JC's (peace be upon him) view on this one over people who came after him. Jesus was a practicing jew and observed the laws of moses.

I have always been under the impression that he did not follow the Torah.

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4) Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
 
Re: can a jew eat halal meat?

no offence but i'll take JC's (peace be upon him) view on this one over people who came after him. Jesus was a practicing jew and observed the laws of moses.

as did the early christians who took the rule of James after him, not saul of tarsus and who even made converts face the chop if they become christians (circumcision) and the other christians mocked them and laughed at them even though they only followed the prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) in all aspects of his life including dietary.

Abu Abdullah

Dawud, feel free to take JC's or anyone else's view you desire for your own practice. My point was not to argue who was right and who was wrong, but simply to clarify why Christians of today (as you point out Jesus was a Jew not a Christian) do not feel compelled to keep the same dietary laws that Jews (including Jesus) kept. If you think that there is a different reason why Christians do not keep the Jewish dietary laws, I would be interested in hearing your theory, because as Christian this is the answer I have most commonly heard.




Rav, you are absolutely right, to the Pharisees of Jesus' day, Jesus was a Sabbath breaker. Here is another story (assuming that the New Testament is not corrupted):
from Mark, chapter 2
23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

Jesus' response was:
25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."

I especially like his concluding point:
27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
My guess is that this also goes against a traditional Jewish view of respect for the Torah. But I find it refreshing.




I'm sorry, I see that I have really taken this way off topic. Allow me to return it to topic, if I can.
In a survival situation, is a Jew still constrained by dietary rules? For instance, if marooned on an island with no other source of protein but shellfish and feral pigs, could a Jew eat these forbidden foods?
 
Last edited:
27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

that makes no sense. is he saying he is Allah and he doesnt need to follow that sabbath?

it makes no sense his logic.
 
that makes no sense. is he saying he is Allah and he doesnt need to follow that sabbath?

it makes no sense his logic.


No, I don't think that is what Jesus is saying -- at least not in the first part.

I understand the first part where Jesus says, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" to mean that God gives us the gift of things like the Sabbath as a blessing in our lives. They are intended to bless us, not curse us. If humankind them interprets the simple sabbath instructions, such as "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" by adding a bunch of other rules such as "you may not walk farther than 2000 steps on the sabbath" -- something that I have not actually read in the Torah, but that I understand was the teaching of the rabbis of Jesus day (I will await our more learned Jewish friends to comment as to whether my particular example is true or not) -- then when have turned it into something that God did not intend for it to be. Walking 2001 steps, even 20,000 steps on the Sabbath does not prevent one from remembering it and keeping it holy. Likewise, to say that God cannot heal on the Sabbath (because Jesus did not heal in his own power, but by the power of God's Holy Spirit moving in and through him) is to put a box around God. Man has no business trying to limit the good gifts God wants to give us. If we do, then we are perverting the word God has given us to our ends, not God's.

In making this comment, I believe that Jesus was merely continuing in the line of careful thinking and re-examination of the scriptures by making commentary upon it and application to daily living that Rav and others have already explained earlier in the thread was common in creating much of the Talmud.

As to the second part, where Jesus says, "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." -- Yes, there you may be right. Perhaps Jesus is indeed equating himself with Allah. But such speculation does not belong here but in the threads that address the question as to whether or not Jesus ever claimed to be God.
 
Last edited:
understand the first part where Jesus says, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" to mean that God gives us the gift of things like the Sabbath as a blessing in our lives. They are intended to bless us, not curse us.

In the Aseres Hadibros [Ten commandments] there are two reasons given for Shabbos. Once it says to keep Shabbos becuase G-d created the world in six days and rested on the 7th, and the second time it says to keep Shabbos because Hashem took us out of Mitzrayim [Egypt].

Shabbat (Saturday) is the seventh day of the week. G-d created the world in six days and on the seventh day He rested. We are, therefore, commanded to "rest" on this day by refraining from all creative activity. Instead, we are meant to enjoy and have pleasure on Shabbat and spend our time engaged in spiritual pursuits such as praying, studying and praising G-d.

Keeping the Sabbath is the ultimate expression of our belief that the world didn't just "happen" to appear, but rather was created by G-d in six days and on the seventh day He rested. Anyone who is religious knows this fact, but sometimes it is possible to be so involved and preoccupied in business and other mundane, worldly matters, that one can begin to believe that the world runs naturally and money comes from working extra hard and health comes from taking a vitamin, etc.

So G-d designated one day a week for us to remember who really created the world and to remind us of the source of our livelihood, health, children, and happiness. It is a day when we refrain from creative activity - because we are focusing on the Creator who gave - and gives - us everything. This day serves as inspiration for the rest of the week when we are involved in making a living and all other things that life throws our way.

If humankind them interprets the simple sabbath instructions, such as "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" by adding a bunch of other rules such as "you may not walk farther than 2000 steps on the sabbath" -- something that I have not actually read in the Torah, but that I understand was the teaching of the rabbis

There is a source for this in the Torah:
"Let each man remain in his place; let no man leave his place on the seventh day."
(Exodus 16:29)
then when have turned it into something that God did not intend for it to be. Walking 2001 steps, even 20,000 steps on the Sabbath does not prevent one from remembering it and keeping it holy.

Yes it does. Since as we have seen in the book of Exodus G-d wants us to not leave our places (areas), then obviously walking 2,000 cubits away from your area is considered breaking this prohibition. If your doing all this walking instead of studing and praying that how are you keeping this day holy?

Likewise, to say that God cannot heal on the Sabbath (because Jesus did not heal in his own power, but by the power of God's Holy Spirit moving in and through him) is to put a box around God. Man has no business trying to limit the good gifts God wants to give us. If we do, then we are perverting the word God has given us to our ends, not God's.

This is under the belief that Jesus was a "god". Jewish belief is that Jesus was a person. And by the way, to save a life you can break the Sabbath.

In making this comment, I believe that Jesus was merely continuing in the line of careful thinking and re-examination of the scriptures by making commentary upon it and application to daily living that Rav and others have already explained earlier in the thread was common in creating much of the Talmud.

I do not understand what you mean here. It seems you have a misconception about something though. The Talmud is made up of the "Mishna" which are the laws that compliment and explain the Torah and the "Gemora" the Rabbi's commentary and interpretations of these laws. The Mishna was given to Moshe at Mt. Sinai as the Oral law. This is why it is called the "Oral Torah". The Mishna explains many things the Torah does not elaborate on.

Originally the Oral Law was never transcribed. Instead it was transmitted from father to son and from teacher to disciple (thus the name "Oral" Law). Approximately 1800 years ago, Rabbi Judah the Prince concluded that because of all the travails of Exile, the Oral Law would be forgotten if it would not be recorded on paper. He, therefore, assembled the scholars of his generation and compiled the Mishna; a collection of all the oral teachings that preceded him. Since then, the Oral Law has ceased to be "oral."

G-d told Moses:
"...Come up to Me to the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the stone tablets, the Law (Torah = Law) and the commandments... "
(Exodus 24:12)
Why did G-d add the word "commandments?" Aren't all the commandments included in the Torah? This verse is a clear inference to the existence of the Oral Torah.
 
Last edited:
God does not need to rest, Glory be to Allah above all they associate with him
 
God does not need to rest, Glory be to Allah above all they associate with him

Of course he doesn't. Your post reveals your clear misunderstaning and the clear english misunderstanding of the word "Shabbat".

It seems like a fair question, "Why would an omnipotent God need to rest after creating the universe?" It turns out that the question is the direct result of a bad rendering of the Hebrew by the King James translation:
And G-d blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which G-d created and made. (Genesis 2:3)
The Hebrew word, shabbat, translated "rest" does not really refer to a requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. The word actually is the act of stopping or ceasing.

Therefore, we do not really "rest" on Shabbat. We cease from our work, or stop everything what we do and pray and study the whole day and refrain from completing anywork on that day. (turning a lightswitch on or off is completing work). Therefore, we really do not rest but cease from work like G-d did.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar Threads

Back
Top