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Why Are We Having Questions On A Islamic Site About Jews? Are You Lot Pro Israel Anti Palestine Or Something.

Well if you knew me, than I would tell you that I am not pro-Israel, but pro-factual information. The facts sometimes condemn Israel as doing wrong, or the Palestinians as doing wrong. This topic has nothing to do with Israel, and only the naive connect Israel and Orthodox Judaism.

I'm afraid you should learn a bit more about the world before blindly dividing humanity into Pro Israeli - Pro Palestinian parties.

Oh and by the way... this is the "comparative religion" section on this site.
 
Ello moit,

I am pretty sure this has been answerd before, maybe, and seeing as there over 1886 posts :phew making times hard and times is precious I guess its best to ask.

Is there a mention within any of your holy scriptures of the coming of Mohammad or another Prophet after Moses? who was he or is he yet to come?

peace
 
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Ello moit,

I am pretty sure this has been answerd before, maybe, and seeing as there over 1886 posts :phew making times hard and times is precious I guess its best to ask.

Is there a mention within any of your holy scriptures of the coming of Mohammad or another Prophet after Moses? who was he or is he yet to come?

peace

Shalom, yes it has been answered but this thread is so long that even the search link doesn't find exactly what I am looking for! :hiding::okay:

Yes, there are many passages that refer to another prophet, and this prophet is the "Moshiach" or Messiah, which Jews believe has not come yet. Therefore, we continue to wait.
 
Shalom, yes it has been answered but this thread is so long that even the search link doesn't find exactly what I am looking for! :hiding::okay:

LOL yes and thats why I do not bother using it anymore:hiding:

Yes, there are many passages that refer to another prophet, and this prophet is the "Moshiach" or Messiah, which Jews believe has not come yet. Therefore, we continue to wait.

I see, the Messiah, according to our belief it was Isa/Jesus(AS). is there a reason for why he was rejected?

If you are still expecting him, how will you know it's him? what signs are you looking for and have the Rabbi's given a time frame he is expected to come within?

Appreciate your response, peace.
 
Hello....
My questions are as follows:

Why do jews believe they are the chosen ones in the sight of God?

Why is their anger targeted towards Muslims (please dont deny it) and not towards others?

Why do Jews have to constantly stress to the Univers that they suffered under Nazi law.... and give as much money as you can tom them, even though Israelis living in Palestine are better off than anyone in the world?

Please have patience and answer me so i can be clear about these things.
 
I see, the Messiah, according to our belief it was Isa/Jesus(AS). is there a reason for why he was rejected?

If you are still expecting him, how will you know it's him? what signs are you looking for and have the Rabbi's given a time frame he is expected to come within?

Appreciate your response, peace.

Shalom (Peace),

The reason Jesus was rejected, is because he did not fufill the requirements that the scripture says the Moshiach will accomplish, For example, the list a few would be:
  • World Peace.
  • The Third Temple (Beis Hamikdash) being built.
  • The Sanhedrin being re-established.
Christians reconcile this by claiming that Jesus will accomplish these things in a 'second coming', yet the Hebrew Bible says nothing of this 'second coming'. Therefore Judaism rejects that Jesus was the Messiah.

Hello....
My questions are as follows:

Why do jews believe they are the chosen ones in the sight of God?

Why is their anger targeted towards Muslims (please dont deny it) and not towards others?

Why do Jews have to constantly stress to the Univers that they suffered under Nazi law.... and give as much money as you can tom them, even though Israelis living in Palestine are better off than anyone in the world?

Please have patience and answer me so i can be clear about these things.

Well first of all, your questions although possibly sincere have a tone about them which does not make think you are. However, I will answer in all honesty and give you the benefit of the doubt.

1.) The Jews as the "chosen people" - Well first of all, what is a "chosen person". A 'chosen person' according to Judaism is one that must follow the 613 laws of the Torah to enter heaven instead of the 7 that non-Jews must follow to enter heaven. Therefore, Jews are "chosen" to follow the Torah. It has nothing to do with being better than others, it is merely being chosen for a specific task (i.e. following the Torah). The Quran actually labels the Jewish people as being special as well! It says: Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message). (2:47) Therefore, your own religious text agrees that the Jewish were "preferred" if not now, the Jews were at least at some point in time according to Islamic theology.

2.) Jews and Muslims -There is no anger on Judaism's part against Muslims. Maybe specific Jews are angry or do not like Muslims, but that has nothing to do with Judaism, but instead the actaul person who displays these negative feelings. I personally have no problem with Muslims, I view your religion as being closest to Judaism, and I view peaceful Muslims as followers of the seven noahide laws; who will go to heaven. Some Jews may be angry over the Arab-Israeli conflict, but that has nothing to do with Judaism itself as a religion. Israel (a secular country) has nothing to do with Judaism. It is merely a country with a Jewish majority, that claims to be a "Jewish state" yet enforces no Jewish law.

3.) The Holocaust - Jews must always remember the Holocaust. It was one of the worst genocides in the modern history of humanity. We must always remember and tell the world about it, to remind all of humanity that it is not acceptable for anything like it to happen again. This is why Jewish organizations are giving billions of dollars to save black Muslims being killed in the Darfur region of Sudan. The fact that anyone would want to silence a group that promotes awareness of what can happen when people hate instead of love is sickening. With Muslims currently being persecuted in places like China and Russia, what would lead you to oppose the education and prevention of intolerance towards other religious beliefs, which happend in Europe a mere 60 something years ago!
 
Why do Jews not eat milk with meat?

I know that in Torah it specifically says not to boil a calf in her mothers milk. But, I do not undersand what that has to do with eating milk with meat, within a 3 hour time, and all of that. Am I missing something?
 
3.) The Holocaust - Jews must always remember the Holocaust. It was one of the worst genocides in the modern history of humanity. We must always remember and tell the world about it, to remind all of humanity that it is not acceptable for anything like it to happen again. This is why Jewish organizations are giving billions of dollars to save black Muslims being killed in the Darfur region of Sudan. The fact that anyone would want to silence a group that promotes awareness of what can happen when people hate instead of love is sickening. With Muslims currently being persecuted in places like China and Russia, what would lead you to oppose the education and prevention of intolerance towards other religious beliefs, which happend in Europe a mere 60 something years ago!

..... what about the billions of innocent Muslims in Palestine being slaughtered, raped and molested daily?
.... you take away their sons, making false claims they are 'terror' fighters- without having proof
...... you smash their homes in front of their faces and make them live in tents that could not house an animal, let alone a family

anyway.... i got the answers i thought id get.... in denial....
 
Shalom (Peace), to all of you.
Why do Jews not eat milk with meat?
I know that in Torah it specifically says not to boil a calf in her mothers milk. But, I do not undersand what that has to do with eating milk with meat, within a 3 hour time, and all of that. Am I missing something?

A. The Torah states, "Do not cook a kid [goat] in its' mother's milk" (Exodus 23:19), a reference to an ancient recipe that most normal people wouldn't come near today (especially if that thing on your plate still looks like a goat).

B. From this prohibition (Negative Mitzvah #187, to be exact), The Rabbis derived the Halachah (Jewish law) that any meat product may not be eaten with any dairy product. (From the same passage is derived Negative Mitzvah #186, which separately prohibits cooking, baking or otherwise mixing meat and dairy products together.)

C. So what's so terrible about eating meat and milk together? What's G-d's problem with it? Here's two reasons: 1) because cooking and/or eating meat and milk together was an idolatrous practice, and idolatrous practices are forbidden by the Torah, and 2) according to Kabbalah, milk symbolizes life and meat symbolizes death, and combining the two creates a spiritual clash in the celestial realms both of your soul and in the worlds beyond us.

How do I avoid eating meat and milk together?

1. Segregation in the Service
Not eating meat and milk together begins with avoiding situations that might bring the two together in the first place. So start with a Kosher kitchen--such a place contains two separate countertop workspaces, and two separate closet spaces each containing a complete set of dishes, cutlery, pots and pans and utensils. According to physics (and you can ask Julia Child about this), metals (and certainly woods) can "absorb" and become impregnated with the "flavors" or residues of the foods prepared with or in them. Thus, your favorite meat stew pot may not be used to make real hot cocoa (which calls for hot milk), because the cocoa milk would have meaty overtones. Additionally, you'll need separate ovens, microwaves and stovetop burners for meat and dairy products, respectively. (Many kosher kitchens simply have two separate ovens.)

2. Take Your Time
After enjoying a hearty pastrami sandwich or any other meat product, halachah rules that you must wait a minimum of six hours before falling upon your beloved mozzarella. Here, human biology comes into play: since it takes the stomach about six hours to fully digest the proteins known as meats, if any dairy product enters the stomach during that time, the stomach will process and churn both foods together. Jewish law considers this to be eating meat and milk together, so do hold off on the pizza if you've just wolfed down a steak.

The situation generally works the same in reverse--you must wait some time after dairy stuff before you eat meat. Some dairy products wend their way through the digestive system faster, so one would only have to wait a few minutes, or an hour, after eating them before moving on to meat. Some cheeses, though, like cheddar, do take six hours to fully break down and absorb into the body, so you may have to wait that long for your pastrami sandwich if you just enjoyed some fine Wisconsin fare.

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=146&o=276
..... what about the billions of innocent Muslims in Palestine being slaughtered, raped and molested daily?
.... you take away their sons, making false claims they are 'terror' fighters- without having proof
...... you smash their homes in front of their faces and make them live in tents that could not house an animal, let alone a family

anyway.... i got the answers i thought id get.... in denial....

First of all you first must get your facts straight. There are not “billions” of innocent Palestinians. There are only 6 billion people on this entire earth, I am afraid your being a bit over dramatic.

Here are the totals of Palestinians vs. Israeli deaths in this conflict from 2000-2006:

Palestinians – 4209 deaths
Israeli’s – 1113 deaths

Yes, the Palestinians certainly have more deaths and no one has denied this, however, please get your facts straight. More innocent black Muslims die at the hands of their fellow Muslims every day in Darfur then in all six years of Palestinian deaths combined sometimes.

There is also a lot of "proof" of Palestinians commiting terrorist atrocities as well. You might not know must I am advocate for the Palestinian cause in many respects as a Jew! But viewing the pure hatred of some people like yourself, I must say, you all seem to never cease at putting me back on the Israeli side!

The gas chambers of Auschwitz certainly killed more Jews each day than Palestinians have died the last 6 years! But that is irrelevant. The facts are that Palestinians are dieing and hopefully peace will come soon, however with the malicious attitudes of people like yourself choosing ignorance over knowledge, and war over peace, I am afraid you’re pitiable stereotyping of me and my religion; Judaism, will gain you little esteem in an actual intellectual dialogue.

But in response to the end of your post... I must say that I got the response that I thought I would get... Ignorance.
 
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Shalom (Peace), to all of you.


A. The Torah states, "Do not cook a kid [goat] in its' mother's milk" (Exodus 23:19), a reference to an ancient recipe that most normal people wouldn't come near today (especially if that thing on your plate still looks like a goat).

B. From this prohibition (Negative Mitzvah #187, to be exact), The Rabbis derived the Halachah (Jewish law) that any meat product may not be eaten with any dairy product. (From the same passage is derived Negative Mitzvah #186, which separately prohibits cooking, baking or otherwise mixing meat and dairy products together.)

C. So what's so terrible about eating meat and milk together? What's G-d's problem with it? Here's two reasons: 1) because cooking and/or eating meat and milk together was an idolatrous practice, and idolatrous practices are forbidden by the Torah, and 2) according to Kabbalah, milk symbolizes life and meat symbolizes death, and combining the two creates a spiritual clash in the celestial realms both of your soul and in the worlds beyond us.

How do I avoid eating meat and milk together?

1. Segregation in the Service
Not eating meat and milk together begins with avoiding situations that might bring the two together in the first place. So start with a Kosher kitchen--such a place contains two separate countertop workspaces, and two separate closet spaces each containing a complete set of dishes, cutlery, pots and pans and utensils. According to physics (and you can ask Julia Child about this), metals (and certainly woods) can "absorb" and become impregnated with the "flavors" or residues of the foods prepared with or in them. Thus, your favorite meat stew pot may not be used to make real hot cocoa (which calls for hot milk), because the cocoa milk would have meaty overtones. Additionally, you'll need separate ovens, microwaves and stovetop burners for meat and dairy products, respectively. (Many kosher kitchens simply have two separate ovens.)

2. Take Your Time
After enjoying a hearty pastrami sandwich or any other meat product, halachah rules that you must wait a minimum of six hours before falling upon your beloved mozzarella. Here, human biology comes into play: since it takes the stomach about six hours to fully digest the proteins known as meats, if any dairy product enters the stomach during that time, the stomach will process and churn both foods together. Jewish law considers this to be eating meat and milk together, so do hold off on the pizza if you've just wolfed down a steak.

The situation generally works the same in reverse--you must wait some time after dairy stuff before you eat meat. Some dairy products wend their way through the digestive system faster, so one would only have to wait a few minutes, or an hour, after eating them before moving on to meat. Some cheeses, though, like cheddar, do take six hours to fully break down and absorb into the body, so you may have to wait that long for your pastrami sandwich if you just enjoyed some fine Wisconsin fare.

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=146&o=276


First of all you first must get your facts straight. There are not “billions” of innocent Palestinians. There are only 6 billion people on this entire earth, I am afraid your being a bit over dramatic.

Here are the totals of Palestinians vs. Israeli deaths in this conflict from 2000-2006:

Palestinians – 4209 deaths
Israeli’s – 1113 deaths

Yes, the Palestinians certainly have more deaths and no one has denied this, however, please get your facts straight. More innocent black Muslims die at the hands of their fellow Muslims every day in Darfur then in all six years of Palestinian deaths combined sometimes.

There is also a lot of "proof" of Palestinians commiting terrorist atrocities as well. You might not know must I am advocate for the Palestinian cause in many respects as a Jew! But viewing the pure hatred of some people like yourself, I must say, you all seem to never cease at putting me back on the Israeli side!

The gas chambers of Auschwitz certainly killed more Jews each day than Palestinians have died the last 6 years! But that is irrelevant. The facts are that Palestinians are dieing and hopefully peace will come soon, however with the malicious attitudes of people like yourself choosing ignorance over knowledge, and war over peace, I am afraid you’re pitiable stereotyping of me and my religion; Judaism, will gain you little esteem in an actual intellectual dialogue.

But in response to the end of your post... I must say that I got the response that I thought I would get... Ignorance.

Actually you dont know me at all.... some of my closest friends are Jewish. I have been to a synagogue, been to the museum for the poeple who suffered in Auschwitz and can relate to Aust-Jews quite comfortably.....
however, that doesnt mean that what is happening in palestine is acceptable... i respect my jewish friends 100% because that is what we do here.
However when you come to a forum to discuss religion, its another story altogether.
All Im saying is ive heard it all before.... just thought id hear something original....
 
Shalom (Peace), to all of you.


A. The Torah states, "Do not cook a kid [goat] in its' mother's milk" (Exodus 23:19), a reference to an ancient recipe that most normal people wouldn't come near today (especially if that thing on your plate still looks like a goat).

B. From this prohibition (Negative Mitzvah #187, to be exact), The Rabbis derived the Halachah (Jewish law) that any meat product may not be eaten with any dairy product. (From the same passage is derived Negative Mitzvah #186, which separately prohibits cooking, baking or otherwise mixing meat and dairy products together.)

Rav, as you say, most normal people wouldn't come near to the practice referenced in Exodus 23:19, yet this is where the prohibitions you speak of come from. While I appreciated the biology lesson on the digestion of meat and the culinary practices of what it takes to maintain a kosher kitchen, IMO, it seems a pretty long leap from point A to point B. Why would the rabbis make that leap?
 
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Actually you dont know me at all.... some of my closest friends are Jewish. I have been to a synagogue, been to the museum for the poeple who suffered in Auschwitz and can relate to Aust-Jews quite comfortably.....
however, that doesnt mean that what is happening in palestine is acceptable... i respect my jewish friends 100% because that is what we do here.
However when you come to a forum to discuss religion, its another story altogether.
All Im saying is ive heard it all before.... just thought id hear something original....

I'm sorry you feel my post was not original, however, it is what I believe. Persecution and attacks on Palestinians must stop, just like Darfur, Chechnya and Kashmir. The problem is that I hate it when people blame what an Israeli soldier may do on "Jews". Judaism as a religion is not responsible for the 'non-jewish' actions of certain Jewish people. Just like I accept that all Muslims are not responsible for the actions of Osama bin Laden.

Rav, as you say, most normal people wouldn't come near to the practice referenced in Exodus 23:19, yet this is where the prohibitions you speak of come from. While I appreciated the biology lesson on the digestion of meat and the culinary practices of what it takes to maintain a kosher kitchen, IMO, it seems a pretty long leap from point A to point B. Why would the rabbis make that leap?

The Rabbi's did not make the leap. The speration of meat and milk and the laws concerning it are found in the 'oral tradition', later written down in the Talmud. The Torah does not go into the specifics of it, just like how the Torah does not go into the specifics of Kosher slaughtering. In many instances, the Torah refers to details not included in the written text, thus alluding to an oral tradition. Thus, the Torah states, "You shall slaughter your cattle... as I have commanded you" (Deut. 12:21), implying an oral commandment concerning ritual slaughter (shechitah) because nowhere in the Torah will you find such a commandment.
 
The Rabbi's did not make the leap. The speration of meat and milk and the laws concerning it are found in the 'oral tradition', later written down in the Talmud. The Torah does not go into the specifics of it, just like how the Torah does not go into the specifics of Kosher slaughtering. In many instances, the Torah refers to details not included in the written text, thus alluding to an oral tradition. Thus, the Torah states, "You shall slaughter your cattle... as I have commanded you" (Deut. 12:21), implying an oral commandment concerning ritual slaughter (shechitah) because nowhere in the Torah will you find such a commandment.


How does one know what wa in the Oral Tradition? And how does one that what is in the Talmud today is what was in the Oral Traidtion thousands of years ago, or that the oral tradtion used by the rabbis in writing the Talmud was the same as the Oral Torah given to, but not recorded by, Moses?

While I can understand the development of an oral tradition, I would think that depending on it for thousands of years would be a tenuous source of knowledge.
 
How does one know what wa in the Oral Tradition? And how does one that what is in the Talmud today is what was in the Oral Traidtion thousands of years ago, or that the oral tradtion used by the rabbis in writing the Talmud was the same as the Oral Torah given to, but not recorded by, Moses?

While I can understand the development of an oral tradition, I would think that depending on it for thousands of years would be a tenuous source of knowledge.

Shalom (Peace),

Well you do raise very important issues, but there is a reason why it is accepted under halacha (Jewish law) today.

(1) The Talmud reveals the oral law, by showing the traditions and ways that the Sages of the times the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud's were written applied them in courts, or sayings etc. If the oral law found in the Talmud was a change in the religion, than why would all the Jews living in Babylonia and Israel believe in them? The mere fact that they were accepted as part of Judaism since their conception is a proof that the concepts held in them were practiced before it was written down.

(2) From dealing with prayers, to drivorce, to criminal law... the Talmud is not the same type of text as the Bible. It is written by the hand of man, but the traditions we believe were given to Moses. Concepts like "an eye for an eye" have never been viewed as a command to poke eyes out, but instead paying back the value of an "eye". Nowhere can you find in Jewish history the belief that the verse literally means to poke an eye out. Why? Simply because the tradition said differently. The verse was never interpreted in the literalist way by anyone because the tradition said differently. Although it may be hard to believe, the fact that a tradition can be passed down from generation to generation without error is indeed possible, especially when the "oral law" was practiced throughout Israel, Babylonia, Greece, etc. If the Oral law did not exist, then you would not see the same Judaic practices that are found in the Oral law being practiced the same in different countries. Basically, if the oral law was a myth, each region of Jews would have developed there own oral code and traditions.

The game 'telephone' involves one person telling another, so therefore the message might become corrupted. But if you had the same message told through thousands of different chains and each generation they all came together to discuss, study and practice the message before passing it on to another generation you would see (a) very small groups form and leave the majority consensus, or (b) that each generation the people who were transfered the wrong message would see what error occured in their transmission, since you cannot claim in the face of overwhelming odds that 95% of the people received the same error in the message.

(3) R. Yehudah HaLevi [Kuzari, 3:35] states simply that it is impossible to read and understand the words of the bible without a tradition regarding the vowelization and punctuation of the words. A simple reading of the text requires an oral tradition [cf. R. Avraham Ibn Daud, Commentary to Torat Cohanim, Baraita DeRabbi Yishmael sv. R. Yishmael]. Since the only existing tradition regarding the text includes a tradition about the concepts and laws, one who accepts the vowelization and punctuation must also accept the oral law. It is inconsistent to accept the oral tradition only partially [cf. R. Shimon ben Tzemach Duran (Rashbatz), Magen Avot Hachelek Haphilosophi, 2:3 p. 30b; R. Shlomo ben Shimon Duran (Rashbash), Milchemet Mitzvah, First Introduction]. From HERE.

(4) R. Shimon ben Tzemach Duran points out that the Torah tells us that Jethro advised Moses to appoint judges. Jethro then told Moses [Ex. 18:20] "Enjoin upon them the laws and the teachings, and make known to them the way they are to go and the practices they are to follow." What does that mean? If the written law is all that was given, then there is nothing more for Moses to instruct these judges. What is Moses supposed to tell them, if not the oral law? From: ibid.

(5) R. Duran also notes the following biblical passage.

Deut. 17:8-11
If a matter of judgement is hidden from you, between blood and blood, between verdict and verdict, between plague and plague, matters of dispute in your cities -- you shall rise up and ascend to the place that the L-rd, your G-d, shall choose. You shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge who will be in those days; you shall inquire and they will tell you the word of judgement. You shall do according to the word that they will tell you, from the place that G-d will choose, and you shall be careful to do according to everything that they will teach you. According to the teaching that they will teach you and according to the judgement that they will say to you, shall you do; you shall not deviate from the word that they will tell you, right or left.​

What possible knowledge is there that can be hidden? If there is no oral law, then the only basis for judgement is in the Torah which is open for anyone to study. Clearly, the entire need for the above process of going to the central court and following their ruling implies that there is an oral tradition which also serves as the basis for judgement.

(6) When the Jews returned to Jerusalem with permission from the Persian government to rebuild the Temple, Haggai tested the priests on their knowledge of the laws of purity. He asked them the following two questions [Haggai 2:12-13]: "If a man is carrying a sacrificial flesh in a fold of his garment, and with that fold touches bread, stew, wine, oil, or any other food, will the latter become holy?... If someone defiled by a corpse touches any of these, will it be defiled?" The answers to these two questions are not in the Torah. How were the priests to know the answers if not from an oral tradition?


I hope this helps. Peace!
 
It helps. I had prior understanding of several of the points. Value a new way of looking a few others. And still have some questions, even doubts, about a couple of the remainging one. But, I don't want to turn this into a thread where we challenge your beliefs. You've answered the larger question I had and I appreciate your hard work and straight forward, yet thorough answers to our sometimes very involved questions.
 
It helps. I had prior understanding of several of the points. Value a new way of looking a few others. And still have some questions, even doubts, about a couple of the remainging one. But, I don't want to turn this into a thread where we challenge your beliefs. You've answered the larger question I had and I appreciate your hard work and straight forward, yet thorough answers to our sometimes very involved questions.

If you have any doubts you can ask them. I will try to the best of my ability to answer. As for some other resources on the transmission of the oral law, here are a few sites:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=2074
http://www.beingjewish.com/mesorah/whynotwritten.html
http://judaism.about.com/od/torahtalmud/a/talmud_dev.htm

Here is an article from Aish HaTorah:

How do we know the Oral Torah has not been garbled throughout history?

If you've ever looked at the Talmud (and there are good translations available), you'll notice two significant things. One is that whichever page you turn to, the Sages are always fighting. Hillel says this and Shammai says that. Rabbi Meir says this, Rabbi Yehudah says that. You probably wonder, what's going on? How can we take this book seriously if the rabbis can't agree on anything!

The second thing you'll notice is that Talmudic arguments are always about the most hairsplitting details possible. These people are the leaders of the generation! Why are they spending so much time on trivialities?

On one hand, they're always fighting. On the other hand, they're arguing about such insignificant things. Doesn't this sound self-contradictory?

An old woman comes home from a trip to Israel. Her family is waiting at the airport and they say, "Grandma, you're back. How was the trip?"

"Oh, Israel was wonderful. I saw Aunt Sadie and Uncle Irving... it was just beauuuteeful."

"And how was the flight, Grandma?"

"Terrible! That airline food, ach! It was plain poison. Ach! And such small portions!"

Do you hear the contradiction? Grandma said it was poison. So why is she complaining about the small portions?

This is the same complaint about the Talmud! First, they're always fighting! Why should we listen to them? And second, they always seem to be fighting about insignificant things.

Actually all Talmudic arguments are about hairsplitting matters. Hence the popularity of the phrase "Talmudic hairsplitting." (At the Camp David Accords, Egyptian negotiators complained about Menachem Begin's use of "Talmudic hairsplitting.") But the very fact that the rabbis argue over such insignificant things, shows us something crucial: All the major points are agreed upon!

Maimonides tells us (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Mamrim 1:3):

As far as traditional laws are concerned, there never was any controversy. If there was any, we may be sure that the tradition does not date back to Moses.

As for rules derived by means of hermeneutical principles, if they received the agreement of all the members of the Sanhedrin, they were binding. If there was a difference of opinion among them, the Sanhedrin followed the majority, and decided the law in accordance with their opinion. This principle also applied to decrees, ordinances and customs.

THE WEDDING EXAMPLE

In the Talmud (Tractate Kiddushin), there's a discussion about the wedding ceremony. The groom is supposed to give a monetary gift to the bride underneath the chuppah (wedding canopy). The Talmud says the gift must be the "value of the smallest denomination" -- and a debate ensues over the definition of that term.

Translated into modern terms, Shammai says "smallest denomination" means the equivalent of a dollar. Hillel says, it can be the equivalent of a penny.

For the next few pages of Talmud, the Sages argue back and forth: it's a dollar, a penny, a dollar, a penny. This debate is still going on 2,000 years later! And let's face it, this is a totally theoretical argument -- because anyone who tries to give his bride a penny or a dollar is in deep trouble!

Both Shammai and Hillel agree there has to be a wedding ceremony. They agree there has to be a canopy. They agree there has to be a Ketubah. They agree there have to be two witnesses, and they agree on the qualifications for witnesses. But we don't read about the 99 percent they agree upon. The one thing we do read about is the debate over how much the groom is supposed to give the bride.

The rabbis were so careful and meticulous that even when it came to the slightest point of difference, they wouldn't let it pass. "No! Let's get this right. If we have a difference of opinion, we have to iron it out." The big issues are all points of agreement. Only the hairsplitting details are the points of argument.

THE RABBINIC CONVENTION

It is a principle of Judaism that the Oral Torah (the Talmud) was transmitted to Moses at Mount Sinai.

But let's imagine for a minute that the Oral Torah didn't come from Sinai, and that somewhere, a few thousand years ago, a group of rabbis got together to compose the Talmud and pass it off as though it came from God.

Picture this: 50 rabbis are sitting in a big hall, (probably somewhere in the Catskills). The rabbi who's chairing the meeting stands up and says, "Okay, folks, let's deal with some of the issues. What are we going to talk about in the Oral Torah? How about the idea of a weekly Torah reading in the synagogue? How many of you think this is a good concept to include?"

Everyone raises his hand. (It's the first time in history that a group of rabbis agree on anything.) Weekly Torah reading, everyone agrees. "What about reward and punishment?" Everyone agrees.

Now they get to the matter of a wedding ceremony. They discuss the basic premises -- canopy, Ketubah, witnesses -- everyone agrees. "Now, let's say the groom is supposed to give the bride a gift. How much should that be worth?"

Hillel says, "I think it should be worth a penny, that's seems about right." Shammai says, "Now wait a minute. I think it should be a dollar."

Hillel says, "Nope, a penny." Shammai says, "I beg your pardon, I think it should be a dollar."

"Penny!" "Dollar!" "Penny!" "Dollar!" Back and forth, back and forth. An intense debate fills the convention hall.

What's going on here? Weekly Torah reading, no problem. Reward and punishment, everybody agrees. But when it comes to a penny or a dollar, "Hey, now you've gone too far. I've put up with you before, but I'm not giving in on this!"

The rabbis have agreed on all the important issues. Couldn't you just split the difference and make it 50 cents?!

No. they can't. Because Judaism does not compromise on the truth. We don't swallow even the smallest details -- never mind an entire religion.

JEWISH THINKING

Critical, independent thinking, and seeking the truth is the nature of every Jew.

How many major political parties are there in America? Basically two. How many in Canada? Four. England? Five. Italy? More fractious -- nine major political parties.

Then we come to Israel. There's 17 major political parties, including four communist parties!

What's going on here?

The United States has 250 million people and it only needs two parties. Israel, a tiny country, of five million people, has 17 political parties.

It's no accident. This is the way the Jewish people are. Jews are committed to their beliefs and will not budge. In fact, in the Torah itself God calls the Jews a "stiff-necked people."

It's ludicrous to say, "Well, sure, the rabbis just got together and made this all up. They agreed on everything except these little details." And it's even more far-fetched to believe that rabbis could get together and foist a hoax of an Oral Torah onto the entire Jewish people!

Concerning disagreements in the oral law, the rabbis only disagree about the minutest of details, which shows you:


How vast the points of agreement are, and


How meticulous and careful the rabbis were to get even the smallest matter perfect.

All this evidence gives the Jewish people great confidence to observe the words of the Oral Torah, as they have been faithfully transmitted from generation to generation.
 
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Does the Hebrew style in the Tanakh change? Like ok, Torah came in 1500 BC - 1200 BC.. Depending on who you ask. (I am a supporter of 1500 BC.)

Ezra on the other hand came as late as 400 BC.

So is like the Torah in anceint Hebrew whereas Ezra is in more modern (although still classical by our standards) or is it different for Hebrew?
 
And it's even more far-fetched to believe that rabbis could get together and foist a hoax of an Oral Torah onto the entire Jewish people!
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this is hilarious because it is so true!
 
Does the Hebrew style in the Tanakh change? Like ok, Torah came in 1500 BC - 1200 BC.. Depending on who you ask. (I am a supporter of 1500 BC.)

Ezra on the other hand came as late as 400 BC.

So is like the Torah in anceint Hebrew whereas Ezra is in more modern (although still classical by our standards) or is it different for Hebrew?

Not really, there is classical hebrew (also refered to as biblical hebrew) which the Torah and the Tanakh were written in, and there is more modern hebrew; spoken today in the modern state of Israel.

From a linguistic point of view, the Classical Hebrew language is usually divided into two periods: Biblical Hebrew, and Roman Era Hebrew, having very distinct grammatical patterns.

I believe Ezra wrote in some Aramaic though, but no hint of that is in the Torah.


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As for your questions on the Exodus, here are some resources I used in making my post that was deleted:

http://www.aish.com/rabbi/ATR_browse.asp?s=the exodus&f=tqak&offset=1
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/massimolorenzini/exodus.html
http://www.frontlinemin.org/exodus.asp
http://www.ldolphin.org/Jericho.shtml

We need to understand how the ancient world viewed the whole idea of recording history. The vast majority of inscriptions found in the ancient world have a specific agenda -- to glorify the deeds of the king and to show his full military power.

The earliest known objective "historian," in our modern definition of the term, was the Greek writer Herodotus. He is generally considered the "father of historians" for his attempt to compile a dispassionate historical record of the war between the Greeks and Persians. Abraham is dated to the 18th century BCE, while the Exodus story is generally dated to the 13th century BCE -- 800 years before Herodotus.

This does not mean that early civilizations did not record events. It's just that their purpose was more propaganda than creating any kind of objective historical record.

The British Museum in London displays inscriptions from the walls of the palace of the Assyrian Emperor, Sancheriv. These show scenes from Sancheriv's military campaigns from the 8th century BCE, including graphic depictions of destroyed enemies (decapitations, impalings, etc.). Sancheriv himself is depicted as larger than life.

But one element is missing from these inscriptions: There are no dead Assyrians! That is consistent with the ancient "historical" style -- negative events, failures and flaws are not depicted at all. When a nation suffers an embarrassing defeat, they usually whitewash the mistakes and destroy the evidence.
 
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