Questions from an Atheist

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answer my question. Why does Allah not come down and take their sinful souls to hell? Why does he let killers get away with it. Scammers scam people out of their money and they live one hell of a life. Now please don't start with the afterlife please.............where they would be sinned. That is based on pure ignorance.
Why are you in the habit of posing and answering your own Q's? Furthermore why would I gauge a philosophical debate with someone who has no foundation whatsoever? Is there a point to discuss 21-hydroxylase deficiency with someone who doesn't even believe there is any relation between it and cholesterol?
I don't humor simpletons and sophomoric queries of greenhorns!

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well I am posting in the compartive-religion of the forum do I not have a right?

With what exactly? You're under some sort of impression that we have to accommodate folly simply because you placed it in question form?
You're read in absolutely nothing, neither science nor religion so what exactly would you like to discuss especially when you're so apt at posing and answering your own Q's..
If you've all the answers already then you're wasting your time and ours and furthermore nothing about what you write smells of sincerity as such you'll only get one kind of response as is. One that focuses on your numerous flaws. If you enjoy that type of banter then by all means however this is a serious forum for adults not a playground for dropouts!

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eh it is a waste of time to argue with you. You can go deep deep into a question and question the reality or non reality of it. Is 1+1 really 2? How can you be so certain? All I know is as a human being is that I will believe it when I see it. Not because somebody drew a face of a bearded guy and said he is god. You people kill others if someone draws a picture of the prophet muhammad or allah in a demeaning way. Why doesn't muhammad or allah use their magical powers and strike fear upon the sinful soul

Oh come on, 1+1? seriously?

For your information, we do NOT draw pictures of a bearded guys and worship him or call him GOD!

Stop making useless points about how some so called extremists kill others, i repeat THIS IS NOT ISLAAM! Why do you keep repeating yourself, when you yourself said you don't care of one's belief, you also said your not hear to bash, why do you continue to speak without knowledge?
 
لميس;1512153 said:

Why are you in the habit of posing and answering your own Q's? Furthermore why would I gauge a philosophical debate with someone who has no foundation whatsoever? Is there a point to discuss 21-hydroxylase deficiency with someone who doesn't even believe there is any relation between it and cholesterol?
I don't humor simpletons and sophomoric queries of greenhorns!

hahaha now you do not want to engage in a philosophical debate. I am sure you don't because you don't believe in Philosophy because it tries to find the answer based on reason and not myth.



 
Joboman,

answer my question. Why does Allah not come down and take their sinful souls to hell? Why does he let killers get away with it. Scammers scam people out of their money and they live one hell of a life. Now please don't start with the afterlife please.............where they would be sinned. That is based on pure ignorance.
If you are willing to accept there is a God, why would you not accept belief in the afterlife? Your questions are answered by the fact that this life is a test, and in the afterlife everyone will receive justice. If God revealed Himself and removed all the evil now, there would be no test and no point in us being on earth. We might as well be living in heaven.
 
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Oh come on, 1+1? seriously?

For your information, we do NOT draw pictures of a bearded guys and worship him or call him GOD!

I am not here to bash any religion. But if attacks are made against my country based on non factual evidence. Of course I will respond defending my country.

 
A lot more hindus are killed by muslims based on religious intolerance. We both know that.
 
لميس;1512147 said:


I take it you have nothing of substance to impart as usual & prefer the quick meaningless carpet bombing attacks and fast withdraw method of cowards?

answer my question. Why does Allah not come down and take their sinful souls to hell? Why does he let killers get away with it. Scammers scam people out of their money and they live one hell of a life. Now please don't start with the afterlife please.............where they would be sinned. That is based on pure ignorance.


The people go to hell coz they deserve it just like a criminal deserves to be given a punishment, however there are ways to prevent this from happening.

Why does one who is powerful and able to do anything need to come down and become a weak human?

He doesn't let killers get away with it, READ THE Qur'aan! Humans have a free will, either you follow your own vain desires or live life as the creator has commanded so, one who know's better than you since he created you.
 
Hello Marwin thank you for having an open mind to ask me a question. To me the existence of the universe is based on energy. Energy has always been in this so called "universe. It is 100% known for a fact cannot be rebuted or debunked that energy can neither be created or destroyed. It has been for infinite. And for some reason (which we cannot wholly claim for a fact why) all the energy and matter (which also cannoted be created nor destroyed) exploded sending all different masses to different parts of the universe based on pure randomness, science, and math. (angle of burst, explosion intensity etc etc). Two critical needs for life are to create a membrane, which defines a boundary that can contain genetic material, and to replicate it is relatively easy to create a membrane from fatty acids that could have arisen in conditions that mimic early Earth; fatty acids, mixed in water with a little salt, readily create closed structures called vesicles. We are starting to understand a little bit more about the origins but we are still not there yet as we are still evolving in technology and the human mind.

Thank you for your reply. That's very interesting. You seem to like explaining all things with science and logic, and I respect that.

But I still have another question, was there only energy in the beginning of the universe ? (if I understood you correctly) because it seems to me not so logical that energy was always existing without a beginning, I mean what was before energy ? what made it ? was it infinite in the past and unchanged in quantity, I think human mind can't percept this, or imagine it at least.
But if we suppose energy was always there, what made it change it's form to explode and produce matter ? was it autonomous energy that can change its state without any other factor, was it a conscious energy, if we look at the design of matter it produced ?
Was there something else before energy, or with energy ? can you explain more please?
 
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Joboman, please focus on one issue at a time. Firing multiple questions that are irrelevant to the topic is the tactic of people who are simply here to attack Islam. If that is the case, you will lose your opportunity to ask questions.
 
Ğħαrєєвαħ;1512157 said:


Oh come on, 1+1? seriously?

For your information, we do NOT draw pictures of a bearded guys and worship him or call him GOD!

I am not here to bash any religion. But if attacks are made against my country based on non factual evidence. Of course I will respond defending my country.


Didn't bash your country or anything. But what the claims your making are also hugely lacking evidence! Be consistant, please.
 
Joboman,
If you are willing to accept there is a God, why would you not accept belief in the afterlife? Your questions are answered by the fact that this life is a test, and in the afterlife everyone will receive justice. If God revealed Himself and removed all the evil now, there would be no test and no point in us being on earth. We might as well be living in heaven.

but that is the type of thinking muhmmad that is based on ignorance. I am not willing to accept god. I will accept god the day he comes flying down across the heavens and shows himself to me. Until then nope. The "prophet" muhammad in my opinion has created a cop out to justify something neither himself nor anyone will ever no about and can ever argue because once you die you can't speak. So we find a "supernatural" way to answer these questions that cannot be answered.
 
Ğħαrєєвαħ;1512167 said:
Didn't bash your country or anything. But what the claims your making are also hugely lacking evidence! Be consistant, please.

Are you serious? We can get it down to a single number going back to legal cases how many religious killings happened against hindus compared to hindus to muslims. Now don't start another law is flawed bs please.
 
but that is the type of thinking muhmmad that is based on ignorance. I am not willing to accept god. I will accept god the day he comes flying down across the heavens and shows himself to me. Until then nope. The "prophet" muhammad in my opinion has created a cop out to justify something neither himself nor anyone will ever no about and can ever argue because once you die you can't speak. So we find a "supernatural" way to answer these questions that cannot be answered.

Frankly, your choice.

I repeat, God of Hindu's, Christians and so on supposedly came down, why are you then an athiest?
 
but that is the type of thinking muhmmad that is based on ignorance
No one has displayed more ignorance on this thread that you. As stated prior making an assertion doesn't a logical argument make, nor is having a guffaw when at a loss for words.

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but that is the type of thinking muhmmad that is based on ignorance. I am not willing to accept god. I will accept god the day he comes flying down across the heavens and shows himself to me. Until then nope. The "prophet" muhammad in my opinion has created a cop out to justify something neither himself nor anyone will ever no about and can ever argue because once you die you can't speak. So we find a "supernatural" way to answer these questions that cannot be answered.
But God is considered "supernatural" in the first place. You are not allowing the question to be answered because you have selectively chosen which supernatural thing could exist and which could not.
 
Ğħαrєєвαħ;1512167 said:


Are you serious? We can get it down to a single number going back to legal cases how many religious killings happened against hindus compared to hindus to muslims. Now don't start another law is flawed bs please.

I am not speaking about how many muslims or hindu's died, the point i was making is that you stated the highlighted

But if attacks are made against my country based on non factual evidence. Of course I will respond defending my country.

But then your making claims like in the post below which i assumes been deleted.

Ğħαrєєвαħ;1512157 said:
Originally Posted by joboman24 eh it is a waste of time to argue with you. You can go deep deep into a question and question the reality or non reality of it. Is 1+1 really 2? How can you be so certain? All I know is as a human being is that I will believe it when I see it. Not because somebody drew a face of a bearded guy and said he is god. You people kill others if someone draws a picture of the prophet muhammad or allah in a demeaning way. Why doesn't muhammad or allah use their magical powers and strike fear upon the sinful soul
 
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where did Hindus, Hanuman monkeys, Ganesh Elephants and Cow Girls come in from in a discussion on "logic and science?" Are you an atheist or a Hindu? you seem to be very supportive of your Hindu brethren.
 
that is based on ignorance

[h=2]ig·no·rance[/h]   [ig-ner-uhns]

noun the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.


You're the one on an Islamic forum and don't know what you're talking about. It's not our fault your arguments don't make any sense and you seem to not be able to properly articulate your thoughts....
 
M.I.A the difference between science and religion is that there is foolproof backing to it based on math and other areas. There is no backing to relgion except "somebody said so". Now I am not saying do not listen to anything the quran says. There may be a lot of things in that book that could be used to the betterment of society and the human race. But believing that he is GOD who created the universe when all he is a human being. Why does god have to be in a human form? Couldn't he have been a snake, dog, or a space alien? We are a microscopic fragment of this universe (the earth, even more so human beings) in the big picture we are absolutely meaningless to a degree. People have gone through hard times in history and have tried to find peace and comfort as some sort of a comfort blanket. Just like drug users find comfort and bliss in heroin you find it in religion. Just because he was smart enough to write a book about "morals" of society doesn't make him a prophet to "God". You think if God really wanted everyone to believe in him they would actually give us a sign. And religious people argue there is a time and a place where god will show himself or he wants you to repent him and wait for him in the afterlife.. But that is just an illogical cop out based on delusional rationalization.

maths is naturally occurring in life before any equation or observation.

..nonsense? your not a hardcore mathematician i take it.. those guys can look at flowers and see maths.

you would not know anything of science if it had not been related to you by some scientist, sure you may have a natural inclination to ask scientific questions but how far would you have got without the knowledge of others?

some scientist somewhere said for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction, if you applied that to any part of your life maybe that would make you a more careful person.

maybe if somebody said its an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth every word would be twice thought about before being uttered.
jesus pbuh apparently.

maybe a man said that there losses would be similar to yours and all of a sudden the burden of leadership and value of life is established.
the quran.

i may be clutching at straws to make these connections but maybe they fit into place easily within my universe. gods laws are never changing... its like they were set in the very heavens and the earth.

you miss the point when you say for the betterment of society, every man is his own man.. so he wishes to believe..
if you have ever tried to better society then maybe you would understand that it does not work like that.

you cannot better society.. it has to want to better itself.. individually.

freedom of choice.

i dont think god has ever been in human form. prophets have declared themselves as such and some have been the most humble in doing so..

prophet muhammed pbuh messenger and servant of allah swt.

dogs and cats and snakes and aliens.. well if they cross your path i guess a response is needed.. i doubt its god but it wouldnt have been there unless it was allowed to be there..
you missed out spiders.. they scare the hell outta me.
dunno bout aliens but they are harder to spot than ninja's.. somethings are better unseen i guess.

i have heard Neil deGrasse Tyson state the same about the universe that in its vastness and inhospitable nature at large there is no possibility of intelligent design.

i would say if you look at engineering at its forefront.. nanotechnology and robotics, what they hope to achieve in the future would very much resemble organic life.

..the robot of the future would be the human of today. the nanotechnology of tomorrow would be the blood cells of today.

i agree we are like ants in the cosmos, but there aint many ants out there as you know.

as for signs of god, the world is divided by war, oppression, hunger and apathy in equal parts.. if anybody thinks that god will bale the place out they are probably wrong.
in my eyes we are at least 1400 years to late for that bus.. that was the last sign in my eyes.. dont think we are getting another one until the very end.

yeah not much of a comfort blanket but religion was a wakeup call for me, peace in life can be achieved but if you go out looking for it.. it only ever seems like war.

as in your opening post, people will go to the ends of the earth to protect there religion.. but it was meant to protect them.
from a position of weakness comes strength.. just dont lose your heads while the knives are out.

we are all internet heroes but vastly unequipped to spread a religion other than peace.. so let it be peace.

asalaam alaikum.

maybe then there will be a sign and proof of god..

Confucius say, do unto others as they do unto you.

maybe they cant do until you do.. never thought about it like that.

dont transgress bounds, allah swt does not like those that transgress bounds... paraphrased.


whatever joboman 24 i can ramble all day its just opinion.
 
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