QUIZ: How much SUNNAH do U KNOW?!?!?

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Very good thread

How much SUNNAH do U KNOW?!?!?

Know quite a lot

I gladly accept any good dalail

Do u know
(not word by word)
The honorable Madhabs used to say “if u find any better proves than I provides u on any subject than throw out our dalils”
 
as salaamu alaykum,

Know quite a lot

I gladly accept any good dalail

MashaAllah that's good, maybe you could join us in this thread then akhee :)

The honorable Madhabs used to say “if u find any better proves than I provides u on any subject than throw out our dalils”

Sorry I did'nt quite get that!!??
 
as salaamu alaykum,

okay then here's the question that's standing..a few have answered bits of it..

Q: The Sunnah of beautifying ones self!!??
 
as salaamu alaykum,

okay then here's the question that's standing..a few have answered bits of it..

Q: The Sunnah of beautifying ones self!!??
:salamext: sis
The Sunnah of beautifying ones self!!??

now i can quote u one hadis(not word by word)

i read it in a anewspeaper (islaim articles/history)

once a time Prophet Muhammad (SAW) passing , A woman raise her hand in order to stop him.

Prophet Said "Who is it"

The person replied "i m a woman"

Prophet said "Than why there is no color (mehedy muslim use it to color their head hair and hands) in ur hands"
 
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Actually the question too wide isnt it? Cause it can be mean about clothes, hair, in salah, in eid etc. But I'll do it whatever I get insha Allah.



yes akhee its a broad question but i was hoping we could bring something from diferent chapters like you said, eid, hair...also jum3ah..
I think its a nice sunnah to know...
so anyone can chip in what they know bout beautification/tajmeel

wassalaam
 
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:) No offence at all bro, jazakallah khair for joining us in this thread, I hope we all can take so much manfaat in here insha Allah.
So akheel kareem about the hadith :
Narated By 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Prophet said Allah will not look, on the Day of on who drags his garment (behind him) out of conceit. On that Abu Bakr said, "O Allah's Apostle! One side of my Izar hangs low if I do not take care of it." The Prophet said, 'You are not one of those who do that out of conceit."

Akhee, We should know that this not mean we may wear our clothes under our ankle yaa akhee, cause this is uzuur that Abu Bakr had. And this is happened to Abu Bakr was not because he wanted to wear his clothes under his ankle cause the hukm is clear about it, but it was just sometimes his clothes descent by it self without his realization, cause he was a thin man you see. If you read the history about khulafaa ar rasyideen (in bidayah wan nihayah by Ibn Katheer, or fit tamyiz ash sahabah by ibn Hajar, and another history book by ulama salaf) then you will know his characteristic and his appearance. Abu Bakr was a man with a lovely face, and he was a thin man till his eyes deep into the skull. So its his uzuur, and Rasulullah knew about this so thats why he said:" 'You are not one of those who do that out of conceit." And its Rasulullahs witness to Abu Bakr, so who witness the muslims today who do isbal?Abu Bakr is Ash Shiddiqul akbar whose iman so strong and he was the one who had the strongest iman amongth the sahabah even amongth all muslims till yaumul qiyamah, and who are we so we can use this hadith as if we have the same level as Abu Bakr to make isbal allowed? :brother: Still according to another hadith that its muthlaq isbal is haram to men but Muslims who have the same uzuur as Abu Bakr then they may use this daleel, but still they have to try first so his clothes wont go below his ankle.

So, the general hukm about this matter (Isbal) is muthlaq haram according hadith : "
"The part of an Izar which hangs below the ankles is in the Fire." (HR. Bukhari). And IF we say that we may do isbal as long as we are not conceit, then Rasulullah told us that isbal it self is one conceit to Allah, as he -shalallahualaihi wasallam- said:"Dont do isbal cause isbal is a conceit". (Narated by Jabir bin Sulaim, HR Bukhari).

So our ulama explained IF someone do isbal without a conceit in his heart then he is threatened by hadith:"The part of an Izar which hangs below the ankles is in the Fire." And IF he do it with a conceit in his heart then his sins is even bigger and he is threatened by the hadith: "The part of an Izar which hangs below the ankles is in the Fire." and also PLUS the hadith :"Whoever did isbal with his clothes because of conceit, then Allah will not look at him in yaumul qiyamah". So muslims who do isbal with a conceit then his sins is even more bigger cause he combine big sins (Isbal) and a conceit. And the hadith to Abu Bakr Ash Shiddiq only work to someone who have the same uzuur as Abu Bakr had.

And also there hadith that said in the time before Rasulullah there was a man who walk around with his clothes isbal all over the place, and he was so conceit. Cause those times it was said longer the pants then its explained the social status that they have. And then Allah drown that man into the earth, and he is still moving (alive) till yaumul qiyamah. So isbal is an action of a conceit, and isbal is forbidden because its safer for our clothes and cleaner, and also by not doing isbal we have made our selfdont looklike a woman, cause women wajiib isbal but men haram to do isbal. And Rasulullah said "Allah will curse men who dress like women and women who dress like men". What do you think if we do isbal and then when we walk without we realize our pants touch something najis and then we do salaat with that kinda pants, and Rasulullah ever explained about two muslims who was tortured in the grave cause he did salaat with najiis on his clothes cause he was careless to be aware of it. So theres no different then if we do isbal, then we will be tortured also cause we are careless with our clothes. And theres nothing hard insha Allah to not isbal cause Islam is easy abd beautiful, masha Allah.

Naam, this is what sheikh Abdulaziz bin Bazz rahimahullah explained in his fatawa.

Im sorry for my long explanation, I hope its manfaat insha Allah.

Salaams, Thank u for ure detailed explainations, personally i dont wear my clothes below my ankles or allow it to drag becuase of the same reasons u give, - for fear that there may be conciet in my heart.
However I cant judge another person heart to tell him that it is HARAM to let his pants drag. What i can tell him is that he Shouldn't do it and the reasons y and quote the complete hadith - but i wont say it is HARAM..beacuse it isnt. If it was Haram then Abubakr would have been commiting a sin and since the state of cociet did not apply to him, then it wasnt a sin. I dont like to say things are plain haram when there are Conditions that makes it haram.

Is it possible to wear a pants cut short above the ankles and still walk with more pride than that of the man with his pants longer than his ankles? In this case, who have commited the sin? Have we missed the real point of this hadith. Salaams bro.
 
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Salaams, Thank u for ure detailed explainations, personally i dont wear my clothes below my ankles or allow it to drag becuase of the same reasons u give, - for fear that there may be conciet in my heart.
However I cant judge another person heart to tell him that it is HARAM to let his pants drag. What i can tell him is that he Shouldn't do it and the reasons y and quote the complete hadith - but i wont say it is HARAM..beacuse it isnt. If it was Haram then Abubakr would have been commiting a sin and since the state of cociet did not apply to him, then it wasnt a sin. I dont like to say things are plain haram when there are Conditions that makes it haram.

Is it possible to wear a pants cut short above the ankles and still walk with more pride than that of the man with his pants longer than his ankles? In this case, who have commited the sin? Have we missed the real point of this hadith. Salaams bro.

No offense intended brother, but you are bringing a wrong Hujjah here.

Overall we say that wearing the pants below the ankles is "HARAM" and our Daleel will be as stated.

Your claim that if it was Haram then Abu Bakr would be doing haram is incorrect, why? Because if you look at the explanation given we see that Rasulullah told Abu Bakr that he is not dragging his clothes out of conceit because it was a situation that couldn't be helped. In islaam this is called a Rukhsah, i.e. something which is haraam may be excused for certain situations.

We can take an example, the hadeeth in which Rasulullah took up a piece of silk in one hand and a piece of Gold in his other hand and said " These two things are haraam for the men of my Ummah but Halaal for the women of my Ummah "
And in another hadeeth Rasulullah stated that the only amount of silk allowed for a man to wear is that which is 4 fingers broad...

So clearly we know that it's haraam for men to wear gold and silk , BUT there has also come ahaadeeth in which Rasulullah allowed a few men of his Companions to wear Silk garments because they had a skin irritation. And we also know of another instant in which a Companion whose nose got cut off and so Rasulullah ordered him to replace it with one of Gold.

For one who doesn't have much knowledge it will look as if these hadeeths contradict each other, but in reality they do not, BECAUSE the ONLY instants in which a man can wear silk or Gold is in the state of necessity. And this is what is called Rukhsah.

So Isbaal (lengthening below the ankles) IS haraam for men unless there is an excuse for it, like how Abu Bakr had an excuse.

And no it is not for you or anyone to judge whether a person is dragging his clothes out of conceit or not, because we do not know what's in their hearts, but the main thing is that they are doing something which Rasulullah prohibited, and so we advise them according to that.....Wallahu A3lam, I hope you understand :)
 
Salaams, Thank u for ure detailed explainations, personally i dont wear my clothes below my ankles or allow it to drag becuase of the same reasons u give, - for fear that there may be conciet in my heart.
However I cant judge another person heart to tell him that it is HARAM to let his pants drag. What i can tell him is that he Shouldn't do it and the reasons y and quote the complete hadith - but i wont say it is HARAM..beacuse it isnt. If it was Haram then Abubakr would have been commiting a sin and since the state of cociet did not apply to him, then it wasnt a sin. I dont like to say things are plain haram when there are Conditions that makes it haram.

Is it possible to wear a pants cut short above the ankles and still walk with more pride than that of the man with his pants longer than his ankles? In this case, who have commited the sin? Have we missed the real point of this hadith. Salaams bro.

brother you're saying that wearing your pants below the ankles isnt haram?

the hadeeth clearly states that whats below the ankles is in teh fire. Also another hadeeth mentions that Allah will not look at the man on the day of judgement who drags his pants below his ankles.

If a sin is mentiond with a promise of punishment, then it is considered from the Kabaa'ir. (major sins)
how can this not be Haram?
 
as salaamu alaykum

Hear ye Hear Ye!!...I agree too...nice going ladies!! ;)
 
I understand what u all are saying, but maybe u are not seeing my point? I quoted the complete hadith b4 and i agreed with Dhulqarnaeen where he said that it is Abubakr didnt wear it out of conciet , and that dragging clothes can get filth on it, and that he was skinny etc. And i also said that i dont wear my clothes in that way (dragging) cause of fear that i may do it with conciet.
And if u do it with conciet then Allah wont look at u, or it will be in hel fire and so on.
I also said in my original post is that ppl often quote the first part of the hadith without quoting the second part. Why do they do this? Is it the most importance is that clothes shouldnot drag? or the clothes should not drag with conciet -meaning that a person should not walk with pride with his clothes draggin as if he is better than anyone else? Y dose it seem to me that some muslims are more concerned with the lesser of the messages here? (both messages are important) To me the major message here is the conciet part, which most ppl never quote in the hadith. So u are saying its ok to wear ure clothes above ure ankle with conciet????
I agree, dont let ure clothes drag out of conciet cause it wil be in the hell fire, but what will cause u to end up in the fire? the dragign of the clothes or the draggin it with pride?
This is a view shared by other learned ppl as well.

Dont get me wrong - i am not condoning the dragging of clothes by anyone nor am I encouraging them to do so. My advice to anyone would be not to let ure clothes drag no matter how humble u may think u are- There is always wisdom in the advice of rasoolallah (saw).

I seek Allah's forgivness if i have said anything wrong ameen.
 
I understand what u all are saying, but maybe u are not seeing my point? I quoted the complete hadith b4 and i agreed with Dhulqarnaeen where he said that it is Abubakr didnt wear it out of conciet , and that dragging clothes can get filth on it, and that he was skinny etc. And i also said that i dont wear my clothes in that way (dragging) cause of fear that i may do it with conciet.

Baarakallahu Feek for that Brother then Masha'allah.

And if u do it with conciet then Allah wont look at u, or it will be in hel fire and so on.

Precisely

I also said in my original post is that ppl often quote the first part of the hadith without quoting the second part. Why do they do this? Is it the most importance is that clothes shouldnot drag? or the clothes should not drag with conciet -meaning that a person should not walk with pride with his clothes draggin as if he is better than anyone else? Y dose it seem to me that some muslims are more concerned with the lesser of the messages here? (both messages are important) To me the major message here is the conciet part, which most ppl never quote in the hadith. So u are saying its ok to wear ure clothes above ure ankle with conciet????

See first of all, we were discussing the way of wearing clothes in Islaam....Not that one part of the hadeeth is more important than the other, of course not, all of the hadeeth is from our Prophet and thus that makes all of it important. But The Reason our Brother stated the first part of the hadeeth was most probably because that was in accordance to the Question which was stated.

Now your question "its ok to wear ure clothes above ure ankle with conciet????"

Akhee of course it's not ok. Conceit in itself is not ok!! No matter which form it comes in, Conceit is a filthy and despised character, and you will not find Conceit together with Imaan in the heart of a beleiver.
BUT, The hadeeth stressed on the dragging of the garments, Because this was/is the way of the people who have Takabbur and Pride, they used to let their garments trail behind them, And Our Prophet always advised us to do that which was good and admonish us from that which was wrong, and so that's why he stressed on the Dragging of the Garments

I agree, dont let ure clothes drag out of conciet cause it wil be in the hell fire, but what will cause u to end up in the fire? the dragign of the clothes or the draggin it with pride?

Once a person gains knowledge of this then it is Waajib on him to follow, because in Islaam and as Muslims we are supposed to say " I hear and I obey "
If a person was to drag his clothes out of conceit, then this will most surely land him into the hell fire becaues he has fallen into the category which was mentioned in the hadeeth.

If a person drags his clothes, and claims that it is not because of conceit, this still lands him into the Hell fire!! This is because he has shown himself to reject the teachings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Our Prophet who was the farthest man from conceit alaihissalam didn't use to drag his garments, so we are to follow his example.

Also there have been hadeeth in which The Prophet cursed the one who drags his garments, and there was no mention of the word Pride in the hadeeth ( Umm sulaim sahhiheeni law ghaladtu Baarakallahu Feeki)

This is a view shared by other learned ppl as well.
Such as? I didn't know this before, can you please state some? :)

Dont get me wrong - i am not condoning the dragging of clothes by anyone nor am I encouraging them to do so. My advice to anyone would be not to let ure clothes drag no matter how humble u may think u are- There is always wisdom in the advice of rasoolallah (saw).

I seek Allah's forgivness if i have said anything wrong ameen.

Ameen...
 
as salaamu alaykum,

I get where the Brothers coming from...seems the same as what you have in mind... so where exactly is the dispute!!??

mawaddah...atakallamuun 3an hadeeth maa asfal al-ka3bayn fi'n naar!!??
 
^ Yes I'm talking about that hadeeth jazakillah khair :D

Prophet said " Whatever is below the ankles is in the Hell Fire "

No it's not exactly a dispute sis :) I'm just clarifying that Dragging the Garment with or without Pride is still Haraam.
And I"m just clarifying that NO it's not ok for someone to wear his garments above his ankles with pride

Dhih Bas :)
 
as salaamu alaykum,

Wa Iyyaaki!

Aaaaaaaaah Tamaam!!...fahimt!!..:)

well you two covered it mashaAllah, i have nothing to add!! ;)
 
Mawaddah sis, ajabtee wa asbatee BaarakaAllahu feeki, what you said now and previously was in our daraaree lesson...(laakin sa attakad fee amr atakabbur tayyib ukhtee)
Al-isbaal, dragging the clothes for men, is haraam MUTLAQAN....like sis nawaal said earlier cos the hadeeth shows that Allah has cursed the dragger of his cloth, it shows that its from the major sin!
So if someone wanted to humble and modest then the way of rasuululaah is the best way (alayhi salaatu wassalaam)

wassalaam
 
I mean i think kaana min siffaat al muttakabbireen, wallahu a3lam...

but al isbaal is haraam muttlaqan like you said,

wassalaam
 
Ok then, so lets go back to the original Question ........ What was it again? Me forgets :D
 
I mean i think kaana min siffaat al muttakabbireen, wallahu a3lam...

but al isbaal is haraam muttlaqan like you said,

wassalaam

could someone translate for me please?
A lot of posters here use words that i don't understand.

I would enquire about the hadith again from my teacher- maybe i didnt understand it clearly enough.

Anyhow the question about wearng clothes above the ankle with conceit was really a rhetorical question and dint need answering for my part, but i guess its a good thing that the sister answered it incase someone who didnt know better was reading this.

Whats the next question by the way?
 

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