Racist hate on Muslims

[glo]

Non-Muslims could be subjected to some form of racism. Even British people could be subjected to racism. I'm not entirely sure who is treated worse however any form of racism should not be tolerated.

I would extend this to 'any form of discrimination and abuse should not be tolerated'.

I read today that hate crime on the whole is one the increase in the UK.
Abuse and physical attacks against homosexuals, for example, has almost doubled in some areas! That's worrying news ...

 

[Amadeus85]

I dont like racism, I think that I would be able to defend a person attacked by racists (although its of course easy to say, but hard to do in reality).
On the other hand, the anti- racists are simply fools with bad intentions. These are harsh words, but I know these people, I know their attitude, I know their intentions. Thats why I repeat once again, anti- racists are dangerous fools.

 

[جوري]

Oh right ok, so by doing this you'll actually cure their hatred of muslims?

lol.. forming defense groups will fuel hatred? if that is the case then so will a good bag of skittles.. what is your point exactly if you have ever had one?

The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.
But thats nothing, since in Europe we do another Holocaust by banning burka.

you need to get out of the Warsaw ghettos and travel a little, at least before writing so freely of what allegedly goes on in other countries.. what say you?

all the best!

 

[Ramadhan]

The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.

Can you tell us the details how/when/why/where christians are killed for their faith in Indonesia?

 

[Amadeus85]

you need to get out of the Warsaw ghettos and travel a little, at least before writing so freely of what allegedly goes on in other countries.. what say you?

all the best!

Skye, so You can say with 100% assurance that there is nothing wrong with the treatment of religious minorities in the countries that I have mentioned? Of course there is anti muslim prejudice in Europe, but why deny the facts that in the countries I mentioned, people get killed or beaten.

 

[Amadeus85]

Can you tell us the details how/when/why/where christians are killed for their faith in Indonesia?

Of course it doesnt happen constantly, thanx God, but didnt Indonesia have religious riots in last several years? Riots which led to many deaths.
What about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm

Or this quote, not from hateful site, but from BBC

Central Sulawesi and Poso in particular was the scene of bitter fighting between Muslims and Christians in 2001 and 2002.

More than 1,000 people were killed before a government-brokered truce.

Although the violence has been subdued, it has never gone away completely.

A bomb in May in the nearby town of Tentena, which is predominantly Christian, killed 22 people and injured over 30.

The fighting four years ago drew Islamic militants from all over Indonesia and many have never gone home.

Analysts say the militants have targeted central Sulawesi and believe that it could be turned into the foundation stone of an Islamic state.

So I have missed something?

 

[aadil77]

Not one of my Muslim friends has ever been attacked or threatened with physical violence for being Muslim. I have travelled a few times with a Muslim friend whose last name is "Islam" and never once have I seen the people at the security gate treat him any different than anyone else going through security. We live in Texas (stereotyped as intolerant) and have traveled across the South and to California. Never once have I ever heard anyone even mutter something offensive, much less threaten violence or call him a terrorist.

As a matter of fact the most hate filled conversation I ever had with someone about Muslims was in a pub in London. A man in the pub found out that I had Muslim business partners and went off with all his negative stereotypes saying extremely insulting and bigoted things. Never in all my years in the USA had I ever heard anyone even come close to such hatred against Muslims as this man.

I am not naive and saying that hate crimes against Muslims don't exist in the US, but I do know that your belief that Americans are more prejudiced against Muslims than those in the UK is off the mark, and acts of violence against Muslims simply for being Muslim are very few and far between. In fact I would venture to say that tolerance of Muslims is higher in the US than in the UK or most of Europe.

I was probably wrong, I'm not from america so I wouldn't know - I was just assuming.

 

[Woodrow]

I was probably wrong, I'm not from america so I wouldn't know - I was just assuming.

Racism is still alive in many parts of America I am sad to say. However it is most commonly applied based on skin color not religion. The people most likely to face the pain and injustice of racism are African-Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Prejudice based on religion is not very common here, but the usual targets have historically been Roman Catholics, Jews, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.
Except for some bad instance shortly after 9/11 prejudice against Muslims is only found in a few area and even then seldom serious. Muslims here tend to be respected and have a higher education level and higher income then the average non-Muslim American.

 

[جوري]

Skye, so You can say with 100% assurance that there is nothing wrong with the treatment of religious minorities in the countries that I have mentioned? Of course there is anti muslim prejudice in Europe, but why deny the facts that in the countries I mentioned, people get killed or beaten.

because it isn't true! and I am not going to make it so, simply to even the score.. I have lived in all the places you mention with the exception of a couple, and I know by eye witness the reality of things are very incongruous with what your media will have you believe.. You are indeed entitled to your beliefs, but it doesn't facts make them!

all the best

 

[Woodrow]

Racism is still alive in many parts of America I am sad to say. However it is most commonly applied based on skin color not religion. The people most likely to face the pain and injustice of racism are African-Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Prejudice based on religion is not very common here, but the usual targets have historically been Roman Catholics, Jews, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.
Except for some bad instance shortly after 9/11 prejudice against Muslims is only found in a few area and even then seldom serious. Muslims here tend to be respected and have a higher education level and higher income then the average non-Muslim American.

I should point out that except for Austin (Which is very receptive of Muslims) I have not lived in any city for a long time and can only relate what I see in rural America. In the large cities it may be different.

 

[Ramadhan]

Of course it doesnt happen constantly, thanx God, but didnt Indonesia have religious riots in last several years? Riots which led to many deaths.
What about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm

Yes, there were religious riots in Indonesia after the fall of Suharto, which gave rise to the regional autonomy, which was truly the root cause of many conflicts in Indonesia.

However, in your post, you said that christians were killed for their faith, which truly ignored the reality of the complexity of the conflicts in Central Sulawesi, as well as almost all other conflicts in Indonesia from Aceh to Maluku to Papua, which is natural for a modern state founded on artifical state concept of former Dutch colony and then governed for tens of years by authoritarian rule. Think Yugoslavia.

Why did you selectively say "Christians are killed for their faith in Indonesia", while conveniently ignoring that "muslims are killed for their faith in Indonesia" also?

This is from the Toronto Star (July 1, 2000) by by Paul Dillon (an Indonesian-based journalist whom I know personally who speaks the local languages):


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Paul Dillon POSO, Indonesia - It has been a month since a Christian
army destroyed an Indonesian village here and the jungle, fed by monsoon
rains, has begun to reclaim for its own the charred collection of rattan
and bamboo homes known as Kilometre Nine.

At least 100 Muslim men were slaughtered here May 28 in central
Sulawesi province by their long-time neighbours.

Enraged by the firebombing of several churches and Christian homes in
the port of Poso, truckloads of red-masked men armed with machetes and
homemade guns exacted their revenge on the villagers.

No trace of village villainy will remain ''They deserved to die," says
Maria, wife of one who participated in razing the village, at a meeting in
Tentena, a Christian enclave 90 minutes south of Kilometre Nine.
=====================================


The fact is, what seemingly religious-conflicts that occurred sporadically in Indonesia during 1998-2006 are caused much by dramatic changes that occurred in national and regional politics when Indonesia ended authoritarian and centralistic rule to democratic and decentralised government systems.
It is to the credit of Indonesians (majority muslims, may I remind you again) that such changes did not cause much greater bloodsheds, as had been predicted by many western governments.
And it is to the credit of Indonesians who have managed to make restore peace in such short time as well as stabilize the economy (Indonesia is one of only few countries in the world which avoided recessions both last year and this year and in fact growing healthily).

Let's compare with Yugoslavia:
After the death of Tito, Yugoslavia disintegrated, and christian serbia managed to inflict unspeakable atrocity/genocide to muslim bosnia, while the rest of europe watched from the side and did practically nothing.

 

[Ar-RaYYan]

I watched that programme. The programme was clearly made to coincide with this weeks ‘Question Time’ programme which will be the first time that the BNP has been given a place on such a programme. The programme makers clearly set out with an agenda to find the answer that they wanted – that Britain is racist.

Actually that was not what their agenda was. They wanted to show that racism still exist in Britain unlike what Trevor Phillips claims. People are still discriminated because their race and colour.
Visiting a small area of a city hardly makes Britain racist!

Were these teenagers wrong – ABSOLUTELY but theses testosterone fuelled idiots would have done and have done the same to anyone no matter what their colour. . . . . (see below links). Rhys Jones a young white boy was killed by such youths just because he was on the wrong side of the road trespassing in their territory. A mother killed herself and her disabled daughter after years of abuse by such youths.

I agree. Some youths would pick on anyone no mater their colour,religion , gender or age but these teenagers in southmead were clearly racist bigots. The reporters and the sudanese and Indian men were verbally and physically abused because they were not native british.

 

[Amadeus85]

It is to the credit of Indonesians (majority muslims, may I remind you again) that such changes did not cause much greater bloodsheds, as had been predicted by many western governments.

Ok, thanx for more info Naidamar, but does it change a meaning of my sentence?
When a blood has been shed, I can imagine that the hatred is deep there, both groups had families and cousins and they won't forget it right? Those two girls beheaded werent fabrications, and we are talking about country which is shown in our media as "liberal and tolerant". Imagine if same thing happen in Holland or France (God forbid of course). Muslims will start talking about coming Holocaust, since they make such lament when goverments want to ban niqab. And how ban of niqab can be compared to beheading of two persons. Muslims in Europe like to highlight the problems that they have to build new mosques. But what about the incredible problems of building new churches in Egypt, demolishing of churches in Indonesia, the situation in Nigeria.

 

[Argamemnon]

because it isn't true! and I am not going to make it so, simply to even the score.. I have lived in all the places you mention with the exception of a couple, and I know by eye witness the reality of things are very incongruous with what your media will have you believe.. You are indeed entitled to your beliefs, but it doesn't facts make them!

all the best

Salam Gossamer,

Although I hate western media depicting all Muslims as barbarians, I have to admit that bad things do happen to Christains and other minorities in Muslim countries. In my country, Turkey, they have killed priests and slit the throats of innocent Christians. Bigotry and ignorance is a worldwide problem, it must be exposed and opposed wherever it occurs. Personally, I'm not going to remain silent just because there is bias and bigotry in the western world towards Muslims..

 

[Argamemnon]

Muslims in Europe like to highlight the problems that they have to build new mosques. But what about the incredible problems of building new churches in Egypt, demolishing of churches in Indonesia, the situation in Nigeria.

Yes, it is true to some extent. At least in my country of origin, Turkey, it is very hard to build churches (although there is improvement). I'm not saying this to please you. I'm saying this because it's true and because I believe it's wrong. If we don't allow churches, or other places of worship in our countries, we should expect other countries to create similar problems for Muslims.

Having said that, I also know that with rising Islamophobia it's becoming increasingly more difficult to build mosques in western countries, such as the Netherlands and Germany.

 

[Amadeus85]

Yes, it is true to some extent. At least in my country of origin, Turkey, it is very hard to build churches (although there is improvement). I'm not saying this to please you. I'm saying this because it's true and because I believe it's wrong. If we don't allow churches, or other places of worship in our countries, we should expect other countries to create similar problems for Muslims.

Having said that, I also know that with rising Islamophobia it's becoming increasingly more difficult to build mosques in western countries, such as the Netherlands and Germany.

Same as me breh.

 

[Amadeus85]

Salam Gossamer,

Although I hate western media depicting all Muslims as barbarians, I have to admit that bad things do happen to Christains and other minorities in Muslim countries. In my country, Turkey, they have killed priests and slit the throats of innocent Christians. Bigotry and ignorance is a worldwide problem, it must be exposed and opposed wherever it occurs. Personally, I'm not going to remain silent just because there is bias and bigotry in the western world towards Muslims..

Im afraid that Skye wont trust it, until she sees it on her eyes. Although that I have respect for her, I guess that sometimes that wise and inteligent woman doesnt want to see something that contradicts her opinions. Many times I have admitted the bad things hapenning at "my playground".

 

[The_Prince]

Yes, it is true to some extent. At least in my country of origin, Turkey, it is very hard to build churches (although there is improvement). I'm not saying this to please you. I'm saying this because it's true and because I believe it's wrong. If we don't allow churches, or other places of worship in our countries, we should expect other countries to create similar problems for Muslims.

Having said that, I also know that with rising Islamophobia it's becoming increasingly more difficult to build mosques in western countries, such as the Netherlands and Germany.

yes but PERHAPS the turks are making it hard to build churches because many europeans want to keep turkey out of the EU because their christians and Muslims cant come in as they have said, so perhaps that has ticked the turks off and has led them to biasness against christians.

i for one would support turkeys tough stance on churches, Muslims have to go through hell to build a Mosque in europe so we shouldnt go soft but give them the same medicine.

 

[OurIslamic]

Thanks for the post.

 

[Amadeus85]

i for one would support turkeys tough stance on churches, Muslims have to go through hell to build a Mosque in europe so we shouldnt go soft but give them the same medicine.

"I for one would support France' tough stance on mosques, christians have to go through hell to build a Church in muslim world, so we shouldn't go soft, but give them the same medicine."

These words could be said by some EDL or BNP member, and You would call him a racist, You hypocrite.

Tough stance on building mosques in Europe?

There is no official estimate of the number of mosques in Britain, but unofficial estimates put their numbers at 1,600.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...Zone-English-News/NWELayout&cid=1162385841442

1 600 mosques in UK alone, and muslims live there in bigger numbers since 30 years.