Radicalization: Thoughts?

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I think it is a very good point that you make, that is, that the ordinary person who is forced to defend his family, property, and life here in, say, like Syria is the true mujahid provided he does not transgress the proscribed limits in Islam. In the U.S. and I'm sure in the rest of the world, this action falls under the umbrella of self-defense.

That said, quite honestly, I really do think we need to make clear to all (Muslims and non-Muslims) that "us," in at least as far as Islam is concerned, does not comprise of people who deliberately would seek to harm innocent people irrespective of whatever their present justification for such actions.

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Assalamualaikum

I don't know who is 'us' anymore, I suppose its the true mujahideen wherever they may be, IE the ordinary man who is defending his people within the principles of Islam.

Ameen.
 
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....the worst are ruling us today. There is much I can write here on the politics of the Muslim world, but the point is to explain to you that the conditions are created by our own hands. We are our own enemy.

@ Bolded: So true!

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:bism:

Thank you, bro Eric H, for sharing your thoughts.

I agree with you, and thank you for sharing that quote from the Nuremberg trials.

Greetings and peace be with you MuslimInshallah;



And our leaders know this, and they manipulate us easily, see how Herman Goering talked about manipulating the German people into the Second World War...

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials





Amen.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric
 
:bism:

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That's a great point you're making, sis herb. Yes, the world today is so much different because a few clicks and like you said that angry message spreads in a few secs to the entire world.

Yes, you're right: Radicals do not admit they are radicals because of course (sarcasm) they're in completely the right and everybody else too blind or too stupid to see what they are seeing and agree with them. (Lol.)

Yes, turning the conversation to crimes is actually the focus of my thread, as I really think it is very a unhealthy indulgence and frankly one I'm starting to see we as Muslims can ill afford.

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The new technology like Internet makes hating so much easier and specially when you can spread your hate words wider than before. It wasn´t very effect at the last decades if you had to write your hate words to paper, send it to some newspaper and then wonder if they will publish it or not. Now it´s only few clicks you need to do and your anger message can spread to all over the world.

Hating is easier to us as well to the "others" which I mean islamophobics, racists and neo-nazis. What is same, I have found out, with both groups (we and them) is that people never like it if you label them to be part of those groups. Racist may write hate posts against other´s race or religion but take offence if someone then tell him its called racism what he is doing. Same with us - radicals never admit to be radicals. The other thing is same; when you try to talk with racist or radical about the tones of his messaging, he (or she) immediately will tell you about the crimes of those others and turns the conversation away from the matter itself. I have seen it´s sometimes (without mention anyone of course) quite typical in here too.
 
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The savage westerners that persecute Muslims deserve what they get. I myself have seen the savage nature of these people. Some call it radicalization...i call it a simple reaction to what has been done to Muslims over the many years passed.

Sorry, I'm a Westerner, and I do not understand what is exactly so "savage" in my nature.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

What "savage" nature have you seen to which you're making this reference?

Please let's not pretend that if there is a savage nature, that Muslims are immune from this savagery, a la existence of Daesh.

I hope you know in Islam, the matter, that is, the "simple reaction" as you put it, has rules and proscriptions and limits? Please, I invite you to educate yourself before you support un-Islamic things: Jihad, Terrorism and Suicide Bombing: The Classical Islamic Perspective.

Thank you.

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How about I give you another hadith (prophetic tradition) so that you know for sure that what Daesh is doing is also "tyranny" and there is no Caliphate until Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him)?

After me come caliphs, and after the caliphs come princes, and after princes, there will be kings and after the kings, there will be tyrants. And after the tyrants a man from My House will fill the earth with justice, and after him is al-Qahtani. By One who sent me with the Truth! Not a word less. (Kamz al-ummal hadith #38704.)

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I believe you misunderstand me sister. I am a westerner also. I am referring to what the military has done in the middle east. I know very well everything the military has done due to the fact that I was there with them. I am not talking about the general population in the US, so please don't misunderstand me.
 
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I apologize for misunderstanding you, bro.

Yes, I don't like generally from a worldly perspective any military campaigns that were undertaken as they worked to destabilize the Middle East.

Okay, bro, sorry, and thank you for clearing my misapprehension; I appreciate your input.

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I believe you misunderstand me sister. I am a westerner also. I am referring to what the military has done in the middle east. I know very well everything the military has done due to the fact that I was there with them. I am not talking about the general population in the US, so please don't misunderstand me.
 
....the worst are ruling us today. There is much I can write here on the politics of the Muslim world, but the point is to explain to you that the conditions are created by our own hands. We are our own enemy.

This is very true - Ultimately we are to blame. One cannot blame the west for the Taliban beating up women, or Isis taking sex slaves or Muslims killing each other and even invading each other. There are many issues that Muslims have screwed up on.
 
The west is the cause for the destruction of entire nations. This is common knowledge known world wide. Your are throwing in sex slaves etc as ammunition against the Islamic state when millions of other countries an groups sell ppl everyday in almost all big cities worldwide.
 
Interesting...

I don't see the two sided mentality in most things, except a few. I also don't tend to see the point when people try to make two things appear contradictory. I shall make this clear. The world doesn't work in two dimensions. There are so many sides to every problem and dispute, and so many sides of reality. You can't group two things and expect them to fight against each other. This works especially in geopolitics. There are multiple sides to each situation that more or less effect the result. I don't see why it is better to blame one aspect of anything. The world is full of too many possibilities to make an "us vs them" argument. It is more like a complex 4d shape of shorts. This is my basic school of thought.

If you check out the Syrian war, there aren't two sides, it is an intricate scenario of detailed nonsense. Two sided wars haven't happened in a lot of time. There are multitudes of groups and peoples falling under different categories. Some are related and are close, and some aren't. Each nation or civilization has practically worked independently, depending on how wide that civilization has considered itself and what it encompasses. The point isn't to see who is fighting who, it is to see the bigger picture and realize all these independent scenarios and how they related to each other. The world is more subjective than it is objective. In the end, it will be individuals that will be judged, people that will be judged, it will be nations that will be judged, and it will be races that will be judged, and these categories will fall inside each other.

Moving on from that, who really caused the problem. What really happened here?

I believe it has been multiple factors contributing to one problem, just like any problem in reality. Western military aggression, combined with internal turmoil, and detachment from religion, has simultaneously affected us, i.e. The Ummah. The Ottomans didn't fall just because of the US and Britian trying to demolish it. It fell because it couldn't keep itself up. It was losing to independence and nationalist movements, It was losing in technology, to the war, to the Young Turks, and a bunch of stuff. Muslims did not feel attached to the Caliph just because of religious reasons, but also because it was the European power that wanted to help Muslims and the only Muslim nation in that theater. It was a natural alliance of heartfelt reasons. And then it was over, but it was ultimately a Turk who stopped Ottoman power, even if that power was symbolic.

What I am trying to say is practically this, things don't fail because of single factors, they fail because they have been abandoned by the things closest to them, that affect them the most. It is God that has the final word on everything, and He makes things happen in a way that make sense, scientifically and reasonably, even if it is beyond us. The failure happened because of so many reasons, and the corruption of so called Muslim nations is included among that, as well as US military involvement (I wonder what Sanders does about that). Who is to blame? Both things, but the involvement of one doesn't minimize the effects of the other.

Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white treasure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others. (Sahih Muslim 2889)
 
Hnce the logic of pronouncing takfeer upon munafiqs that pose as members of the Muslim Ummah in order to ruin it. And for those whom it is difficult to tell, Allah swt knows them well.
 
Why radicalized? Why not just be sick and tired of ****crap....Its equivalent to calling a muslim ''moderate'' which means he follows the west agenda and falls for the western lie.

This is a war on Islam sugar-coated by the word terrorism. Throw that word into the equation and we got sympathisers with the west. If i may...

It is interesting that the person that came up with the suggestion that it be called ‘’War on Terrorism’’ is a ‘’scholar’’
It was first phrased ‘’War on Islam’’ (I wonder what many of the muslims would have done and said had they gone forth with that phrasing)

Can you imagine one of the Sahaba sitting comfortably in a land of kuffar listening to them decide to attack Muslims and not do anything about it? Can you imagine them just going around talking to people expressing words of anger and telling people to pray for those Muslims and then going back to their homes to sit? Can you? Never!
We always hear people claim to be Salafiyyah this and that, truth is it's a delusion. People are Salafiyyah in their heads but not their limbs. We are far from the Qur'aan and Sunnah - far!

I read through many threads on this forum, it baffles me, how so many fall victim to the media and even some scholars. To say fear Allah, is an insult...It becomes ''how dare this person tell me'' so the comeback would be snotty and snide...

Its rather best if we start asking why there is this kind of attacks, this world is slowly coming to an end, maybe no one cares to realize that, but thats maybe because you are illusioned by the trinkets of the world...

Quran and Sunnah is what the Prophet SAW left behind, so aren’t we governed by it? The first thing the Nabi SAW done after his hijrah is the establishment of the khilafah in Madina? Isn’t? It was vital infact. So how many would say that the Quraish wasn’t impressed with that? To clarify, the Quraish being the enemies of Islam. You think they sat ideally saying ''oh Muhammad, is starting an Islamic state, how nice for him and his believers, lets leave him in Madina to do what he wants, and we can stay here in Makkah and live our lives. No on the contrary they were irate by that. So lets fast-forward a thousand years and we faced with much the same. Its not terrorism your governments fear, its Islam. They know all too well the outcome, they know Hadith and Quran far better than you and i, so they plot and they scheme because of arrogance, they believe they can defeat Allah.

We might not all have the same idea on this forum, some will call it terrorism, some will call it un islamic, some will say not in my name. But for all those somes...the Quran and Sunnah is clear

The Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wills it to be. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be the khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology. And it will last for as long as Allah wills it to last. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be biting kingship, and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be tyrannical (forceful) kingship and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then He will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be a khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology.

Reported in the Musnad Imaam Ahmad, by at-Tirmidhi, Musnad Abi Ya’laa, and Ibn Hibbaan. Saheeh al-Jaami’ as-Sagheer (no. 3341) declared Saheeh by Imam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

So we went through every phase of the hadith…yes/no? We have the tyrannical kings among us, or are you going to deny the hadith?

Problem with that is, your governments are well versed in that hadith, therefore they plot and plan.
Your governments use technology to their advantage, no? They propagate “WAR ON TERROR’’ via this technology…yes/no?
It becomes a problem when someone else does it? Explain to me the logic in that?
The age old adage comes to mind…’’whats good for the goose is good for the gander’’

Complete double standards on the part of muslims…your lack in brotherhood is undeniable.
Your governments have openly declared that they will use media to defame the ‘’Islamic Caliphate’’ (which they use – they actually do call them the Islamic State)
So if they refer to them as such, whats the muslims problem? Have you been so media raped that you now suffer stockholm syndrome?

You fail to acknowledge that when you slander and attack you are doing it to yourselves, because you fail to adhere to Quran and Sunnah…and you walk a fine line by denying Allah. (and moderates don’t like hearing this) FACT!!

When an Imam/Sheikh don’t sing the same tune their sheikh sings then he becomes and extremist/radicalist/terrorist.

I wonder why they all end up in jail, if what they speak is ‘’crap’’ ….there is Fear Allah and then there is lip service…

Why are we so quick to support these puppet governments?

We await Imam Mahdi and Isa (as), hadith tells us if you see the army of the black flag even if you have to crawl over ice to join that army, (why crawl over ice) because it will be very hard indeed to join that army…(why stop the people that want to go there?) If all your governments are upon haq then clearly they would certainly defeat them even if they were many in numbers, no?
Why even throw these people in jail? Your governments are upon haq, why go to such lengths to mark them as ‘’terrorists’’…oh I see, they are an open threat to the respective governments, but why? Maybe because they actually do know the Quran and Sunnah? Could it be?

But you don’t have to believe me, you can sit where you are and wait for everything to unfold and slander and attack from the comfort of your homes. See evidence can be given to everyone and they will still deny it based on indoctrination or clear kufr

And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of his Lord, but turns away from them forgetting what (deeds) his hands have sent forth. Truly, We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this (the Qur'an), and in their ears, deafness. And if you (O Muhammad SAW) call them to guidance, even then they will never be guided. #Quran 18:57

We are reminded in the Quran that we should not feel sorrow for the unbelievers or grief…

What has the world done to help Palestine? In all these years, with every peace talk, with every western leader that has come and gone, what was accomplished? Talks, talks, talks…and the bombs just continue to drop on them, such a small country and they couldn’t accomplish anything…

You really want to cry or rather sing the same tune? Your governments are the peace keepers/enforcers? (laughable)
You pay jizyah to your governments to Fight the war on terrorism, you actually contribute to the killing of Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans etc etc then you start a thread and say ‘’no to the war on Syria’’? Im left baffled…Do you think your tax money is for the building of roads, schools bridges etc in your countries? Either you naïve or you clearly upon kufr. You justify why you pay these taxes, yet you will slander the Islamic state for implementing jizyah, or completely say that they are not an Islamic state…either way, you justify your governments attack on them…So again you don’t fear Allah?

You make duah for Allah to destroy muslims but you don’t make duah for Allah to destroy the kafir system? The hypocrisy in that is astonishing. Again you don’t fear Allah…
Instead of working to rectify whatever you feel is wrong with the Caliphate as the west calls them, you choose to offer a duah for their demise? And I suppose this is Islam.
It has been narrated by Abu Huraira that the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Banu Isra'il were ruled over by the Prophets. When one Prophet died, another succeeded him; but after me there is no prophet and there will be caliphs and they will be quite large in number. His Companions said: What do you order us to do (in case we come to have more than one Caliph)? He said: The one to whom allegiance is sworn first has a supremacy over the others. Concede to them their due rights (i.e. obey them). God (Himself) will question them about the subjects whom He had entrusted to them. Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4543
But here on dunya, you all seem to wana take that role, you wana question his authority, (judge, jury and executioner) hip hip hooray for these muslims…
You will sing a tune that they aren’t muslim, therefore they should be destroyed. So how is the kafir muslim? Why does the kufr system thrive, coz we have people such as yourselves promoting it knowingly or unknowingly.

One person states that these men work for the Saud regime (laughable) yet the Saud has the biggest army on the ground in the region (40 000 men)… really open your eyes…to use that hadith as reference is really weak on your part to justify your slander.

Muslims need to realize that this is not a war on terror like the governments like portraying, but a war on Islam, which means it’s a war on YOU, the sooner you realize it the sooner we can make taubah for denying Allah!!!
What you fail to realize as muslims is, they are slowly making you disbelievers, you stand for kufr and deny Islam
Allah reminds us in the Quran that the disbelievers will never be satisfied with you until you follow their way. Infact it’s a stern warning…
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper. #Quran 2:120

(This ayah here being proof, refer to Quran 18:57… yet you will deny it, because Allah has set veils upon your hearts, because you don’t see what deeds your hands have sent forth (jizyah to kufr governments) killing of those innocent people that you claim to honor, so now you sign petitions to stop the bombings, even though your hands are already covered in blood.


Fi amanillah
 
Greetings,

Thanks to all who have contributed to this discussion. I have been following it with interest. I don't have much to say about it at present, but BlueOwl's post most closely resembles my thoughts.

Thanks again to all who took their time and minds to engage in rational discussion.

--Dan Edge
 
AJR really broke it down and contributed alot. She is very intelligent and knows what she is talking about.
 
Your post is a typical example of misinterpretation of ahadith and the Quran Verses.


Can you imagine one of the Sahaba sitting comfortably in a land of kuffar listening to them decide to attack Muslims and not do anything about it? Can you imagine them just going around talking to people expressing words of anger and telling people to pray for those Muslims and then going back to their homes to sit? Can you? Never!

Yes absolutely. The conflict in Middle East is not of a Muslim VS Non Muslim, it is of a global nature, Muslims and Non Muslims fighting each other over regional and political ambitions. Unfortunately the ground is Middle East and its a majority Muslim region. When the first Fitnah struck the Ummah after the murder of Uthman Ibn Affan (R.A), many companions stayed away from the conflict that was taking place among the Muslims. They stayed aloof completely and led a life of seclusion. They didn't want themselves to be killed nor did they want any innocent blood on their hands. Thousands of Muslims died when fighting each other..... so you miss the point, that the Sister opened this thread for i.e. Muslims Killing Each other and acting crazy.... in such times you stay home, whether we're in the West or East, you don't join Fitnah....

Quran and Sunnah is what the Prophet SAW left behind, so aren’t we governed by it? The first thing the Nabi SAW done after his hijrah is the establishment of the khilafah in Madina? Isn’t? It was vital infact. So how many would say that the Quraish wasn’t impressed with that? To clarify, the Quraish being the enemies of Islam. You think they sat ideally saying ''oh Muhammad, is starting an Islamic state, how nice for him and his believers, lets leave him in Madina to do what he wants, and we can stay here in Makkah and live our lives. No on the contrary they were irate by that.


The Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi Wassallam) never established or enforced Islamic State on people of Madinah, the majority of whom weren't even Muslim. Rather he created the democratic constitution of Madinah State. He was in fact the 1st person in the history of mankind to teach the world how to establish a state with Human Rights for all communities which the West learned and today calls a democracy. The following should be understood very well by Muslims and Non Muslims:

The Constitution of Madinah ﺻﺤﻴﻔﺔ , ﺍﳌﺪﻳﻨﻪ Sahīfat al-Madīna, also known as the Charter of Madinah, a political-constitutional document, was drafted by the Holy Prophet Muhammad . The most widely read version of the Constitution is found in the pages of Ibn Ishaq's 24 ﺍﺑﻦ ﺇﺳﺤﺎﻕ Sīrah Rasūl Allāh ﺳﲑﺓ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﷲ (Life of the Messenger of God. It is the first written constitution in the world for the multi-religious ten thousand-strong citizens of the city-state of Madinah. The claim that it was the first written constitution in the world is not a biased exaggeration. Aristotle's 25 (384 BC – 322 BC) Constitution of Athens, written on papyrus, discovered by an American missionary in Egypt in 1890 CE and published in 1891 CE, was not a constitution, but an account of the constitution of the city-state of Athens. The Madinah Charter is the first, and in this it preceded the American Constitution of 1787 CE, by more than a thousand years! It also preceded the English feudal bill of rights, the Magna Carter of 1215, by almost six centuries! It constituted a formal agreement between Muhammad and all of the significant tribes and families of Madinah, including Muslims, Jews, and pagans. The document was drawn up with the explicit concern of bringing to an end the bitter inter tribal fighting. To this effect it instituted a number of rights and responsibilities for the Muslim, Jewish, and pagan communities of Madinah bringing them within the fold of one community—the Ummah.

(Madinah to Karbala - Chapter Constitution of Madinah - Sheikh Irshad Soofi)

...I have all 62 Articles of that Charter which I'm sure if you don't find online (thru Sheikh Google) then I can certainly list them here. They are clear evidence of how a democratic government was formed back then. Obviously later the pagans accepted Islam and Jews violated the constitution which led to their expulsion and naturally the majority being all Muslim, enforced the Islamic Law Shariah.

The Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wills it to be. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be the khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology. And it will last for as long as Allah wills it to last. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be biting kingship, and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be tyrannical (forceful) kingship and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then He will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be a khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology.

Reported in the Musnad Imaam Ahmad, by at-Tirmidhi, Musnad Abi Ya’laa, and Ibn Hibbaan. Saheeh al-Jaami’ as-Sagheer (no. 3341) declared Saheeh by Imam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

So we went through every phase of the hadith…yes/no? We have the tyrannical kings among us, or are you going to deny the hadith?


When you quote complete hadith, then we can easily understand whether this Foolish Man called Baghdadi and his so called Euphoric Islamic state is even an actual one?...

“The period of Prophethood will remain among you so long as Allah wills, then He shall cause it to end. After that, there will be Khilafah among you on the pattern of Prophethood, and this will last as long as Allah wills, and then He shall cause it to end. After that, there will be a reign of oppressive monarchy/tyrants, and this will also last as long as Allah wills, and then He shall cause it to end. After that there will be a period of enslavement, and this will last as long as Allah wills, then He shall cause it to end. Finally, there will again be Khilafah on the pattern of Prophethood.” (Musnad Ahmad on the authority of Nauman Ibn Bashir)

...you missed the underlined part of enslavement. The Tyrant Kings were the Kings of Mughal Empire, Seljuk Empire, Safwi Dynasty, Ottoman Caliphs. Abu Bakr Baghdadi's so called Caliphate is in times of when entire Ummah is in enslavement. The refugees fleeing from his Caliphate are fleeing for their lives and it is an Islamic Caliphate?? Are poor supposed to be protected and helped by the Caliphate or flee from it?

The Caliphate of Imam Mahdi has not been restored. It would be ignorant to consider this lunatic's 'Caliphate' to be a part of Imam Mahdi's rule.


You pay jizyah to your governments to Fight the war on terrorism, you actually contribute to the killing of Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans etc etc then you start a thread and say ‘’no to the war on Syria’’? Im left baffled…Do you think your tax money is for the building of roads, schools bridges etc in your countries? Either you naïve or you clearly upon kufr. You justify why you pay these taxes, yet you will slander the Islamic state for implementing jizyah, or completely say that they are not an Islamic state…either way, you justify your governments attack on them…So again you don’t fear Allah?

When you live in a country, you pay taxes, you don't dodge and cheat and corrupt. A Muslim never dodges and cheats. A Muslim is a man of principles.... he or she pays the government you live under, especially if they're providing you food, safety, security, education, health, etc etc. A Muslim is honest in all his or her dealings. Regardless of what that government does to that money is their problem. If we cheat them of their taxes and call it Islam then we're treacherous.


What you fail to realize as muslims is, they are slowly making you disbelievers, you stand for kufr and deny Islam
Allah reminds us in the Quran that the disbelievers will never be satisfied with you until you follow their way. Infact it’s a stern warning…
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper. #Quran 2:120

Alhamdulillah....All Praise is due to Allah (swt). That is absolutely correct. It is a warning for Muslims so that they remain steadfast on Islam and not fall for some other way of life. This life is full of tests. Just like every other test such as wealth, children, fighting each other, Jews and Christians will also test us and we need to hold on to our faith. Allah (swt) does not forbid us to make friends with them...He (swt) is just warning us to be aware and not copy them....
(60:08)Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

(60:09) Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
 
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lol...



typical response...



he or she pays the government you live under, especially if they're providing you food, safety, security, education, health, etc etc

Everything you mentioned Allah provides...tut tut tut...

Anyway, in the words of Imam Malik...

Imam Al- Shafi said:
Whenever any people of desires (heretics) came to Malik he would say to them, ''As for me, i am upon clarity as regards my religion. As for you, you are a doubter, go and argue with another doubter like yourself.''

Al-Dhahbi in Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala under the biography of Imam Malik
 
The west is the cause for the destruction of entire nations. This is common knowledge known world wide. Your are throwing in sex slaves etc as ammunition against the Islamic state when millions of other countries an groups sell ppl everyday in almost all big cities worldwide.

Just because other groups of people do evil, this does not justify other groups of people doing evil. Especially when we are supposed to be the people of God. Our response to evil should not be more of it.
 
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