Why radicalized? Why not just be sick and tired of ****crap....Its equivalent to calling a muslim ''moderate'' which means he follows the west agenda and falls for the western lie.
Disagree with you! I used to be one of the people who used to disagree with the labeling of Muslims as moderate or extreme because I used to believe that it is an Orientalist phenomena that seeks to divide Muslims into one camp or another when we're one Muslim ummah (nation). Today, I support this divisive terminology because unfortunately some Muslims are shifting from the Straight Path and deviating from the main, moderate line, and we need to distinguish between people are who are supporting falsehoold ("peverted Islam") versus people who are supporting the truth ("orthodox Islam"). Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) said to be on the middle way as asks the Quran also:وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا
Wa kathalika ja`alnakum ummatan wasatan.
And thus have We willed you to be a community of the middle way. (Surat al-Baqarah, 2:143)
This is a war on Islam sugar-coated by the word terrorism. Throw that word into the equation and we got sympathisers with the west. If i may...
It is interesting that the person that came up with the suggestion that it be called ‘’War on Terrorism’’ is a ‘’scholar’’
It was first phrased ‘’War on Islam’’ (I wonder what many of the muslims would have done and said had they gone forth with that phrasing)
I'm not sure where you have received this information, but I'm discilined to immediately trust what you've written about the original phraseology "War on Islam" because I'm from the U.S., and I had not heard of anything like that having happened. I know that George Bush in 2001 used the word "crusade," which later he explained in a meeting with Shaykh Hamza Yusuf was a mistake on his part to have used that term, and he explained that he said the first word that came to his mind. He said the Pentagon didn't have theologians.
Can you imagine one of the Sahaba sitting comfortably in a land of kuffar listening to them decide to attack Muslims and not do anything about it? Can you imagine them just going around talking to people expressing words of anger and telling people to pray for those Muslims and then going back to their homes to sit? Can you? Never!
Sahaba (Compasions) radiyallahu anhum (may Allah be pleased with them) had sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) to guide them. Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) had wahi (divine revelation). Today, we do not have Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) to guide us except through the Islamic scholars who are famously said in a hadith (prophetic tradition) to stand as the inheritors of Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him). By ijma (consenus), Islamic scholars have said that the acts of terrorism perpetrated in our time such as that of organizations like Daesh, al-Qaeda, Boko Harma and are haram (forbidden). "My Ummah shall not agree upon error," said Prophet allalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him).
Imam al-Tirmidhi (4/2167) reported on the authority of Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhu (may Allah be pleased with him) from Prophet allalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him), who said: "Verily my Ummah would not agree upon error and Allah's hand is over the group and whoever dissents from them departs to Hell" (see also Mishkat, 1/173).
It is important to note that this hadith (prophetic tradition) is in reference to the mujtahids (authoritative interpreter of the religious law of Islam), not a reference to laymen or run-of-the-mill scholars.
It is also clear from the hadith of At-Tirmidhi above that once the consensus is established (in any era), we are not free to dissent from it thereafter. Once consensus is established, we KNOW that that opinion is correct.
Terrorism/sucidie bombing is haram (forbidden) by ijma (conensus).
We always hear people claim to be Salafiyyah this and that, truth is it's a delusion. People are Salafiyyah in their heads but not their limbs. We are far from the Qur'aan and Sunnah - far!
True, majority of Muslims are far from peoples who are actively seeking to implement Quran and Sunnah (prophetic footsteps) in their own lives.
I read through many threads on this forum, it baffles me, how so many fall victim to the media and even some scholars. To say fear Allah, is an insult...It becomes ''how dare this person tell me'' so the comeback would be snotty and snide...
I love the phrase, "Fear Allah." However, I abhor people's use of the phrase as a weapon to lampoon another. Thus, my concern: Is the person who is saying "fear Allah" saying so out of self-righteous indignation to have someone to toe a self-drawn proscribed line or even a means of silencing the voice of dissent? Saying "fear Allah" is meaningless then. Because the originator of that phrase is saying so out of egoistic desire, not sincere concern for the welfare of the Muslim or non-Muslim to whom this is said. On whom are we first supposed to implement Islam? On ourselves! Maybe if the person who instead of asking others to "fear Allah" himself/herself feared Allah, then seeing him/her in that state, others would follow suit? Just a thought.
Its rather best if we start asking why there is this kind of attacks, this world is slowly coming to an end, maybe no one cares to realize that, but thats maybe because you are illusioned by the trinkets of the world...
True, we are in the Last Days as Prophet allalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
عن انس ابن مالك سمعت رسول الله يقول لاحدثنكم حديثا لا تجدون احدا يحدثكم به بعدي ان من اشراط الساعة ان يذهب العلم ويظهر الجهل ويشرب الخمر ويفشو الزنى ويقل الرجال وتكثر النساء حتى يكون قيما لخمسين امرأة رجل واحد
Anas ibn Malik radiyallahu anhu (may Allah be pleased with him) said, “I am going to tell you a Hadith that no one after me will tell you about. I heard it from the Prophet salallhu alayhi wasallam. Knowledge will go and ignorance will come up. Wine will be drunk and zina (adultery) will be everywhere. And there will be less men and more women. For fifty women there will be one man” (Bukhari and Muslim).
Of course, we have seen all of this happening as with each scholar's death in Islam, knowledge is lifted up. Of course, wine and premarital intimate relations are very common now around the globe. With exception of countries like China, the last part of the prophecy is either already true or coming true as well.
Quran and Sunnah is what the Prophet SAW left behind, so aren’t we governed by it? The first thing the Nabi SAW done after his hijrah is the establishment of the khilafah in Madina? Isn’t? It was vital infact. So how many would say that the Quraish wasn’t impressed with that? To clarify, the Quraish being the enemies of Islam. You think they sat ideally saying ''oh Muhammad, is starting an Islamic state, how nice for him and his believers, lets leave him in Madina to do what he wants, and we can stay here in Makkah and live our lives. No on the contrary they were irate by that. So lets fast-forward a thousand years and we faced with much the same. Its not terrorism your governments fear, its Islam. They know all too well the outcome, they know Hadith and Quran far better than you and i, so they plot and they scheme because of arrogance, they believe they can defeat Allah.
I'm sorry I do not believe that our American leaders or even most world governments fear Islam itself rather than terrorism, though that is arguably changed/changing now because of incidents of domestic terrorism like Paris Attacks, and thereby Islam and terrorism are now synonymous in even educated leaders' minds and vocabulary right now. Even previously, the world witnessed government leaderships waging wars doing so for reasons that were always more complex than bringing democracy or eradicating terrorist organizations in the Middle East or other parts of the world as propaganda seemed to suggest. I also do not accept that the powers-that-be know Quran and ahadith (prophetic traditions) better than us, though I can better accept that secular governments seek to defeat the inclusion and promotion of theologically-inspired philosophy in governmental ideology and traditions generally. I can accept that because originally America can be said to have been founded as a "Christian" nation as the land comprised of 13 colonies that belonged to the British Empire whose king presided over an imperial church and by extension British citizens in the colonies thereby lived under Christian rule. However, that has changed with taking God out of the equation with espousing of well-established legal principles like separation of church and state (which means secular states can no longer, for example, criminalize things like sodomy, something which doesn't align with Christian values).
We might not all have the same idea on this forum, some will call it terrorism, some will call it un islamic, some will say not in my name. But for all those somes...the Quran and Sunnah is clear
I agree the Quran and Sunnah (prophetic foosteps) are clear, though I'd make a caveat and say that people's understanding of it is not clear due to often not seeking clarity about this sacred knowledge from Islamic scholars.
The Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wills it to be. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be the khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology. And it will last for as long as Allah wills it to last. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be biting kingship, and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then Allah will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be tyrannical (forceful) kingship and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then He will raise it when He wills to raise it. Then there will be a khilafah upon the Prophetic methodology.
Reported in the Musnad Imaam Ahmad, by at-Tirmidhi, Musnad Abi Ya’laa, and Ibn Hibbaan. Saheeh al-Jaami’ as-Sagheer (no. 3341) declared Saheeh by Imam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).
Alhamdhullilah (praise, thanks, and credit to God) for this hadith (prophetic tradition). Yet do you know what this hadith actually means? Have you listened to a Islamic scholar explain it? Or have you read a scholarly book that has explained this hadith?
Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) had said: "After me come caliphs, and after the caliphs come princes, and after princes, there will be kings and after the kings, there will be tyrants. And after the tyrants a man from My House will fill the earth with justice, and after him is al-Qahtani. By One who sent me with the Truth! Not a word less." (Kamz al-ummal hadith #38704).
Yes, you are right. Today, tyrants are ruling the majority of the world. However, you make a key mistake in your interpretation because as Muslims we are not supposed to take one hadith (prophetic tradition) and reach whatever conclusion our minds would have us reach in regards to a major issue of fiqh involving serious matters like jihad which can only be undertaken under a valid Caliphate to which bayat (oath of allegiance) has been given by all Muslims. Also, scholars have already given the conditions of valid jihad, and I'm sorry, but ISIS does not fit that definition.
Problem with that is, your governments are well versed in that hadith, therefore they plot and plan.
Your governments use technology to their advantage, no? They propagate “WAR ON TERROR’’ via this technology…yes/no?
It becomes a problem when someone else does it? Explain to me the logic in that?
The age old adage comes to mind…’’whats good for the goose is good for the gander’’
Drone strikes and the like are also haram (forbidden). No doubt. That said, Muslims are not allowed to use the same kind of haram (forbidden) methodology in jihad that non-Muslim govenrments use. This type of mentality is actually probably very much falls under the category of imitating the kuffar (non-Muslims), something also which we have been warned against as Muslims in a hadith (prophetic tradition). So, as Muslims we cannot say, "What is good for the goose is good for the gander." Islam came to remove humanity from jahilliyah (ignorance), not increase us in it.
Complete double standards on the part of muslims…your lack in brotherhood is undeniable.
Your governments have openly declared that they will use media to defame the ‘’Islamic Caliphate’’ (which they use – they actually do call them the Islamic State)
So if they refer to them as such, whats the muslims problem? Have you been so media raped that you now suffer stockholm syndrome?
Lack of brotherhood in ummah ("Muslim nation" as a body) is also a observable phenomena; so, I will agree with you.
ISIS/Daesh/Islamic State (IS) is NOT the awaited Islamic Caliphate, and this is your dangerous projection of what you want to see in the Organization.
The Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "There will be a group of people at the end of time who are young and have foolish dreams. They speak from the words of the Best of the Creation (i.e. the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him's hadith). Their faith does not even rach their throats and they pass out of the religion like an arrow passes through its prey..." (Sahih Bukhari 8:51).
I now quote from a scholarly book on Armageddon:
"Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam said they have crazy dreams, foolish aspirations and fanciful imaginations (sufaha al-ahlam), which means they have distrubed minds and a lack of understanding. Despite this intellectual deficiency they speak from the sayings of Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam and they recite the Quran. People are fascinated by their speech, as they recite Quran and hadith for everything. On the Internet, they seem like scholars, throwing Quranic verses and hadiths right and left, using them to support their dreams and aspirations, such as the establishment of a utopian society or an Islamic state as they conceive it should be. At the time when the whole world is corrupted during the Last Days, these ignorant young people will come and talk about Islam.
"However, they are not wise, intelligent or even good believers. Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam continued saying, 'Their faith does not even reach their throats (i.e. it is nothing) and they pass out of the religion like an arrow passes through its prey.' This is what we are experiencing today. These youths recite the Quran and bring hadiths as evidence, but in an incorrect manner, and so derive their own rulings without any knowledge of the subject. They put things together as they like, to fit their needs. They do not even have a rudimentary background in Islamic knowledge and they use verses of the Quran which were meant for unbelievers out of context, applying them to believers. As mentioned before, the Khwaraij are not bound to a specific time, but are any and all who fall under that description by going out of the bounds of the religion, declaring Muslims as unbelievers. This is the methodology of the Khawarij in the Last Days was mentioned fourteen hundred years ago by Prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasallam."
The books goes on to then discuss how the Khawarij are spreading their ideology, which I'm not detailing here because I want to quote the relevant part:
"All the while they are suppressing and concealing the truths of mainstream classical Islamic teachings, conspiring to silence anyone who speaks against their extremism. They are inheriting the intolerance and oftentimes violence, seen in the Khawarij of the past, killing Muslims and other innocent people who do not agree with their aberrant beliefs, egnaing in subterfuge in various countries where they have no right to do so. These youngsters around the world are brainwashed with qawl az-zur—the bearing of false fitness. They apply the Quran and hadiths in the wrong manner, and set off in pursuit of their wild dreams. The Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam described them precisely and foretold that they would reappear in the Last Dyas and this has come to pass."
You fail to acknowledge that when you slander and attack you are doing it to yourselves, because you fail to adhere to Quran and Sunnah…and you walk a fine line by denying Allah. (and moderates don’t like hearing this) FACT!!
How about you not tell us Muslims whether we are "denying Allah" or not as "FACT"? You're borderline passing takfir (declaring Muslim non-Muslim) when you have absolutely zero right and authority to do so. Do you have a sheikh (Islamic teacher)? Yes or no? I'm sorry, but you're not an Islamic scholar and your presumption here is offensive as to us "denying Allah" because so far your only qualification that I have come to glean from your post is that you have an Internet connection. How about you go study Islam under a sheikh? And I'm not telling you anything which I am myself not doing. So...
When an Imam/Sheikh don’t sing the same tune their sheikh sings then he becomes and extremist/radicalist/terrorist.
Yes, Alhamdhullilah (thanks, praise, and credit to Allah), I have a sheikh, and I feel blessed. I learnt law from law professors, and the same method applies to learning Islam: Islam should be learned from Islamic scholars. Yes, my sheikh Alhamdhullilah (thanks, praise, and credit to Allah) is moderate and balanced.
Someone can dance a jig to the song of the Khwaraij if they so will despite the stern prophetic warning, but then I and the rest of the world will label those people "extremist/radicalist/terrorist." Calling a chair "chair" is not an insult to the "chair," rather the applicable term for the item. So it goes also for the person who espouses philosophy that is extremist/radicalist/terrorist in nature.
I wonder why they all end up in jail, if what they speak is ‘’crap’’ ….there is Fear Allah and then there is lip service…
So, let me get this straight: You're making an assumption that people who are in jail are people who went to jail for speaking the "truth," actually, let me correct that, "the version of truth" you find acceptable to you. That's a big assumption. How about the people who went to jail are people who deserved to jail for inciting violence or concocting terrorist plots?
Yes, there is "fear Allah" and then there is lip service
"Do you command other people righteousness and forget your own selves" (2:44).
Yes, there is fear Allah and then there is lip service. Me? I don't believe ISIS is anything but Khwaraij.
However, if you truly believe as you do, why are you and Abz not in Syria? If I believed as you and Abz do, I'd walk over hot coals to get there to join ISIS.
Why then on the Internet talking to a "moderate" like me who is in the category of people who are presumably "denying Allah" which according to you is not your opinion but a "FACT?"
Why are we so quick to support these puppet governments?
Becuase even if they are tyrannical, which I agree they are in many respects with regards to their foreign policy, at least they do not pretend to say they are representing Islam and then act out the actions of "Khwaraij."
We await Imam Mahdi and Isa (as), hadith tells us if you see the army of the black flag even if you have to crawl over ice to join that army, (why crawl over ice) because it will be very hard indeed to join that army…(why stop the people that want to go there?) If all your governments are upon haq then clearly they would certainly defeat them even if they were many in numbers, no?
Yes, by all means, if you believe ISIS is the one to usher in the rule of Mahdi alayhis salaam, crawl over ice if you have to get to Syria. I believe ISIS is Khwaraij. So, all I wish is that either they come to sincere belief or they die, especially if the choice is between me or them.
Why shouldn't the governments stop people from joining ISIS? If you had a preventive measure to a problem, would you prefer dealing with a problem as a preventive measure or after the fact? That's just plain no logic to you saying what you did here.
No, the governments here are not on "haq" (truth). But then neither is ISIS.
Be assured ISIS will be defeated as they are NOT on any "haq" (truth), but what they are on is their petty delusion.
Why even throw these people in jail? Your governments are upon haq, why go to such lengths to mark them as ‘’terrorists’’…oh I see, they are an open threat to the respective governments, but why? Maybe because they actually do know the Quran and Sunnah? Could it be?
No, they are Khwaraij. How about you not assume they are on the Quran and Sunnah (prophetic tradition)?
To give further evidence why you should not assume, let me share a story:
A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab rradiyallahu anhu (may Allah be pleased with him) and spoke in praise of another.
Umar asked him: “Are you his nearest neighbor such that you know his goings and his comings?”
“No.”
“Have you been his companion on a journey so that you could see evidence of his good character?”
“No.”
“Have you had dealings with him involving dinars and dirhams [money] which would indicate the piety of the man?”
“No.”
“I think you saw him standing in the mosque muttering the Quran and moving his head up and down?”
“Yes.”
“Go, for you do not know him...”
And to the man in question, Umar said, “Go and bring me someone who knows you.”
(quoted from Islam The Natural Way by Abdul Wahid Hamid, p. 66)
Have you read a recent NY Times article that came out about how these so-called men that you presume to be on "haq" are using Islam to distort well-established Islamic traditions like idda (waiting period) and haqooq al-ibad (human rights)? Read it.
But you don’t have to believe me, you can sit where you are and wait for everything to unfold and slander and attack from the comfort of your homes. See evidence can be given to everyone and they will still deny it based on indoctrination or clear kufr
You do know that there are six exceptions backbiting and slander, right? One of them is to warn the Muslims of evil, which is what I'm doing from my perspective. If you don't believe me about the Islamic exception, please go ahead and read, "When Is Backbiting Permissible?"
Frankly-speaking, you haven't provided any evidence, just conjectures.
And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of his Lord, but turns away from them forgetting what (deeds) his hands have sent forth. Truly, We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this (the Qur'an), and in their ears, deafness. And if you (O Muhammad SAW) call them to guidance, even then they will never be guided. #Quran 18:57
We are reminded in the Quran that we should not feel sorrow for the unbelievers or grief…
Love the Quran ayat here!
We should not feel sorrow or grieve for the unbelievers? Really?
My sheikh continues to teach that real faith is to honor all human beings. See, the thing about Quran? It's beautiful. People's interpretations of what is said in the Quran is through the prism of their own knowledge, understanding, and wisdom; scholars have all three. Laypersons, on the other hand, do not.
Allah SubhanAllah wa Taala (Glorious and Exalted is God) says, “Ya ayyuha’n-naas – o human beings. We have created you from male and female and We made you nations and tribes to know each other. The best among you are the most pious/righteous/sincere."
So Allah SubhanAllah wa Taala (Glorious and Exalted is God) is telling us through His Messenger, the Seal of Messengers, Prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him), "O human being I am not differentiating. It was, “Ya ayyhuha’n-naas!” Allah SWT didn’t say, "Ayyuhal Muslimoon!” Allah SWT said, "O human beings!” That means Allah SWT is addressing everyone, not picking out. That means Allah SWT is saying, "You are Muslim - I am speaking to you. You are agnostic, I am speaking to you. You are secular, I am speaking to you. You are Hindu, I am speaking to you." And so on.
Allah SWT didn’t pick out anyone, but He said, "I made you from a man and woman and I made you tribes and communities."
Every nation is made of hundreds of "tribes." Allah wants people, whenever possible, to live in peace with one another, Muslim and non-Muslim. People today make a big mistake because they want to be judges of human being. Allah is The Judge. Our Creator is The Judge. We are not judges. Allah SWT judges everyone. We are human beings. We should judge ourselves only.
And what was Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) doing if not honoring humanity when he stood up for a non-Muslim funeral procession that was passing?
Also, how many times did Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) command us to be good to our neighbors?
Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, "Son, if you are able, keep your heart from morning till night and from night till morning free from malice towards anyone; then he said, Oh! My son, this is one of my laws, and he who loves my laws loves me."
Islam is holistic, and it is beautiful, and being sharing in the grief or your neighbors and honoring their deceased is part of prophetic good manners because they too are Allah's creation and they are returning to Allah SWT, the Ultimate Judge.
My sheikh keeps reminding us adab (manners) before knowledge, adab (manners) before knowledge, adab (manners) before knowledge.
What has the world done to help Palestine? In all these years, with every peace talk, with every western leader that has come and gone, what was accomplished? Talks, talks, talks…and the bombs just continue to drop on them, such a small country and they couldn’t accomplish anything…
They couldn't accomplish anything because Zionism is a real movement. Shoudn't all of the repercussions of lacking a Caliphate have been deliberated prior to Arabs conspiring with the British to topple the Ottoman Empire?
You really want to cry or rather sing the same tune? Your governments are the peace keepers/enforcers? (laughable)
You pay jizyah to your governments to Fight the war on terrorism, you actually contribute to the killing of Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans etc etc then you start a thread and say ‘’no to the war on Syria’’? Im left baffled…Do you think your tax money is for the building of roads, schools bridges etc in your countries? Either you naïve or you clearly upon kufr. You justify why you pay these taxes, yet you will slander the Islamic state for implementing jizyah, or completely say that they are not an Islamic state…either way, you justify your governments attack on them…So again you don’t fear Allah?
I'm sorry to say that this is nonsensical as taxes also work to pay for construction projects as well, that is, when distributed to the individual states, though I do take your point as I know the government also uses that money to fund military expeditions in other parts of the world. The answer to your repetitive question is, "Yes, I fear Allah." But I do not fear you telling me that I do not fear Allah. As fas as slandering/backbiting is concerned, I've already answered you that it is not considered slandering/backbiting in Islam to warn Muslims of evil as that falls under the cases of exception.
You make duah for Allah to destroy muslims but you don’t make duah for Allah to destroy the kafir system? The hypocrisy in that is astonishing. Again you don’t fear Allah…
Instead of working to rectify whatever you feel is wrong with the Caliphate as the west calls them, you choose to offer a duah for their demise? And I suppose this is Islam.
To pray for the demise of oppressors is not not fearing Allah. Whatever is wrong with ISIS is too big for any one person to rectify in case you didn't already know: Some Muslims on social media have tried steering/keep trying to steer them in the right direction. To no avail. They do not listen. They will not listen.
Yes, in regards to the matter, this is Islam: To stop the opressor from oppressing if you can by your hand, and then if not, by your tongue if you can't. Or at leat hate it in the heart if none of those are possibilities. Because oppression is an evil.
Prophet sallahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever of you sees an evil must then change it with his hand. If he is not able to do so, then [he must change it] with his tongue. And if he is not able to do so, then [he must change it] with his heart. And that is the slightest [effect of] faith.”
It has been narrated by Abu Huraira that the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Banu Isra'il were ruled over by the Prophets. When one Prophet died, another succeeded him; but after me there is no prophet and there will be caliphs and they will be quite large in number. His Companions said: What do you order us to do (in case we come to have more than one Caliph)? He said: The one to whom allegiance is sworn first has a supremacy over the others. Concede to them their due rights (i.e. obey them).
God (Himself) will question them about the subjects whom He had entrusted to them. Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4543
But here on dunya, you all seem to wana take that role, you wana question his authority, (judge, jury and executioner) hip hip hooray for these muslims…
You will sing a tune that they aren’t muslim, therefore they should be destroyed. So how is the kafir muslim? Why does the kufr system thrive, coz we have people such as yourselves promoting it knowingly or unknowingly.
Have you sat down with a sheikh about this hadith (prophetic tradition) or are you here to pass fatwa on ISIS's legitimacy based on this hadith (prophetic tradition)? I'm not a scholar myself, just as in law school I wasn't a legal scholar. So, I deferred judgment about what we were studying of law to my law professor. In that same way, I defer judgments about matters like this to my sheikh who unlike me is an Islamic scholar. My sheikh has unequivocally stated that ISIS's actions are not from Islam. Period. Dot. Full Stop. They are Khwaraij. And therefore, In-sha-Allah (God-willing), I will never support the Khwaraij. My heart is satisfied with proofs of them being Khwaraij.
Kufr system thrives because the internal spiritual condition of Muslims is allowing it to thrive! Muslims are great in number, but the number of practicing Muslims is low. Sahaba were low in numbers, but the number of practicing among them was great. Therefore, victory was theirs.
Yes, I hope the Khwaraij are destroyed as they persist in their michief-making, and I do not wish to be associated in any way with their professed intentions or actions.
One person states that these men work for the Saud regime (laughable) yet the Saud has the biggest army on the ground in the region (40 000 men)… really open your eyes…to use that hadith as reference is really weak on your part to justify your slander.
Muslims need to realize that this is not a war on terror like the governments like portraying, but a war on Islam, which means it’s a war on YOU, the sooner you realize it the sooner we can make taubah for denying Allah!!!
Nobody Muslim here is denying Allah, and please stop saying we're "denying Allah" as this is not a befitting accusation to make of other Muslims.
What you fail to realize as muslims is, they are slowly making you disbelievers, you stand for kufr and deny Islam
Allah reminds us in the Quran that the disbelievers will never be satisfied with you until you follow their way. Infact it’s a stern warning…
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge,
you would have against Allah no protector or helper. #Quran 2:120
Allah SWT is Great. I neither see Muslims here standing for kufr nor denying Islam. Muslims and non-Muslims on this thread, at least far as I can tell, with a few exceptions are against radicalization/extremism/fanaticism/terrorism.
Yes, Allah SWT is our protector and helper.
(This ayah here being proof, refer to Quran 18:57… yet you will deny it, because Allah has set veils upon your hearts, because you don’t see what deeds your hands have sent forth (jizyah to kufr governments) killing of those innocent people that you claim to honor, so now you sign petitions to stop the bombings, even though your hands are already covered in blood.
Our hands are not covered in blood and that's inexcusable of you to say, especially when nothing in Islam says that people who live in non-Muslim lands simply by virtue of their location are considered participants of their government's inexcusable actions.
Fi amanillah
Wa iyyaak (and you too).
