Reid heckled during Muslim speech

[Rou]

And you don't think the fact that "Muslims" living in Britain decided to blow up people on a subway train caused a reaction by the British people? You talk about the "effects" of these laws on Muslims, yet it is the effect of waking up everyday knowing that some nutjob could decide to blow up you and 30 other people that leads to these kind of situations. The U.K. is somewhat used to this threat from the IRA, but they also have to contend with the reality of radical clerics teaching hate in British mosques. This threat is very real. I'm sorry to say this, but if another major attack strikes the U.K. or the U.S. from radical Islamists in country, then we will see even more things the Muslims community won't like. I don't know any politically correct way to say it.

LOL? you think this is affecting muslims badly??? you are seriously not clued in on the cause nor the reaction of what laws like this will do for britan...

now think a nut job indeed we have nut jobs every day of christian descent doing all kinds of crazy things in britan and all over the world but you dont see rules popping up for them based on religous prefrence...

no muslim attacked britan before the iraq involvement therefore a link is born of the politcal policy overseas...

these laws have created enemies for britan in the first place and by introducing more laws like this onshore britan but causes more reason for enemies to be born...

you think that im saying these laws are bad for muslims???

you aint got a clue mate if these laws continue and the community is pushed further and further indeed of course you will see a lash back due to this type of oppression!?

this wont only affect muslims mate but britan! the laws are clearly not stopping terrorisem but feeding it!

blindness to this will only affect britan in the end if muslims are even kicked out of britan britan will still be under attack by terrorists!? probably evenmore so..

dont you get it you cant stop terrorists who have a cause take away there cause and you will flat line there recruitment...

but thats not the plan here...to be a hero u need a enemy...

the one attack that took place on british soil on 7/7 has been the scape goat for all these rules and laws yet if you look at the people involved in the attacks hardley any match the profile that they are using today!??

the attackers were hardley hardcore islamists they were a bunch of the most unlikley guys you could have picked and hardley represented all muslims yet through there actions all muslims are judged?

ok mate ok keep fighting your corner as i said if you think these laws are protecting you then so be it...let yourself sleep well at night but hear this these people are rattling a hornets nest they will not be able to control...

one bombing and suddenley everyones calling muslims terrorists if muslims did decide to take the violent root mate just remember theres 1.8 million muslims in britan there wouldnt be just one bombing...

but indeed these laws are there to stop muslims becoming terrorists duh!?

 

[Rou]

And you don't think the fact that "Muslims" living in Britain decided to blow up people on a subway train caused a reaction by the British people? You talk about the "effects" of these laws on Muslims, yet it is the effect of waking up everyday knowing that some nutjob could decide to blow up you and 30 other people that leads to these kind of situations. The U.K. is somewhat used to this threat from the IRA, but they also have to contend with the reality of radical clerics teaching hate in British mosques. This threat is very real. I'm sorry to say this, but if another major attack strikes the U.K. or the U.S. from radical Islamists in country, then we will see even more things the Muslims community won't like. I don't know any politically correct way to say it.

And also you highlighted that part why again!? everyone keeps using "muslims" lol and thats your problem heance the terrorist problem it is the west who is calling every muslim a terrorist so it will be the west that faces the back lash of that why blame us!??

let me correct you ok!?

muslims are not allowed to kill innocents heck we cant even kill an attacking soilder if he puts his weapon down!?

if these were extremist muslims they would know there religon quite well mateand also they would know that they are breaking there religon therefore not following islam!?

and if you dont follow islam then your not a muslim....

if a guy rapes a 3 year old and he happens to be a christian then should we assume all christians do such things?

if it has been noted that psycos, killers without cause are mainly christian should we assume all christians are psycos?

should we do a background check on every christian who gets a job in a hospital beacuse one christian doctor decided to murder his patients for the fun of it?

say what you will but its the denial of such blatent prejudices that only but create more terrorists and corrupt more moderate muslims.

if i started stating that all christians in britan are rapists?? then whos that going to make my enemy!???

the buddhist community!??????????????

no!

the christian community!?

by ropeing all muslims under these laws you aint making no friends!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

wake up!!!!!!!!

 

[Keltoi]

Quite hysterical. I use the "Muslims" with quotes around it, because I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists. That is a straw man. Terrorists inside Britain are coming from the Muslim communities, and no amount of finger pointing and crying foul is going to change that. Our governments have a duty to protect its people from terrorists, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or worship garden gnomes. If you want to make this about the West vs. Islam, that is your own personal problem.

 

[Rou]

Quite hysterical. I use the "Muslims" with quotes around it, because I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists. That is a straw man. Terrorists inside Britain are coming from the Muslim communities, and no amount of finger pointing and crying foul is going to change that. Our governments have a duty to protect its people from terrorists, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or worship garden gnomes. If you want to make this about the West vs. Islam, that is your own personal problem.

Wrong as i stated as this is our problem as human beings beacuse this wont stop at searches of muslims there will be a obvious backlash and the communities formed in peace well not be at peace if this type of ignorance continues you seem to ignore all ive said and just stick to your own thoughts!? i hear what your saying and i understand what your saying but im telling you from an inside view yet you ignore what im saying!?

theres not much point in discussing anything if your going to just ignore everything one person says and keep repeating hat your stating wheres that going to get you?

im stating fact and that is that these laws are harmful for britan not hlpful and they split communities not bring them together!? and they dont destroy terrorisem but help it grow!? they push communities to the brink and are forcing there young generation into the hands of terrorisem!?

if you try to subdue the feelings of a people they will release them in a diffrent way. in the uk you cant even show your disgust at your own countries forign policy and be muslim otherwise your a terrorist on the other hand if a black,white , christian, jew says anything they are merely discussing polotics!???

continue as i said in denial but these laws and the current path is bad for the uk not good...

 

[Rou]

Quite hysterical. I use the "Muslims" with quotes around it, because I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists. That is a straw man. Terrorists inside Britain are coming from the Muslim communities, and no amount of finger pointing and crying foul is going to change that. Our governments have a duty to protect its people from terrorists, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or worship garden gnomes. If you want to make this about the West vs. Islam, that is your own personal problem.

Excuse me?? you stated :

"And you don't think the fact that "Muslims" living in Britain decided to blow up people on a subway train caused a reaction by the British people?"

LOL if you dont think all muslims in britan are terrorists then why are you staing that MUSLIMS blew up anything at all!???

why not state them as terrorists that they are, not muslims???

Why would i state a christian raped a 3 year old????

i have the understanding to know the diffrence between a christian and an animal who attacks children!

i know the diffrence between blaming a whole race or religon for the actions of a few psycos!

as i stated there are alot of people who need to wake up and see the whole oil being present in the same places uk and USA are trying to suddenley save??

and how a peacful community who have lived in uk for decades suddenley have been made enemy number 1!?

what you think there werent problems in the middle east before 9/11? before 7/7??

there were loads!! where were the terrorists then!???

whatever mate uk and usa are in the buisness of creating enemies when they are needed!

bin laden has already been stated to have worked for the CIA on a number of occasions so whats new with the 9/11 pin!???

conspiracy? i think not go do the research CIA openly admit it... but no one cares lol there all so wrapped up in there own little minds that have been preset by the media...

wake up..

 

[Keltoi]

Wrong as i stated as this is our problem as human beings beacuse this wont stop at searches of muslims there will be a obvious backlash and the communities formed in peace well not be at peace if this type of ignorance continues you seem to ignore all ive said and just stick to your own thoughts!? i hear what your saying and i understand what your saying but im telling you from an inside view yet you ignore what im saying!?

theres not much point in discussing anything if your going to just ignore everything one person says and keep repeating hat your stating wheres that going to get you?

im stating fact and that is that these laws are harmful for britan not hlpful and they split communities not bring them together!? and they dont destroy terrorisem but help it grow!? they push communities to the brink and are forcing there young generation into the hands of terrorisem!?

if you try to subdue the feelings of a people they will release them in a diffrent way. in the uk you cant even show your disgust at your own countries forign policy and be muslim otherwise your a terrorist on the other hand if a black,white , christian, jew says anything they are merely discussing polotics!???

continue as i said in denial but these laws and the current path is bad for the uk not good...

Inciting violence against the British people and voicing opposition to a foreign policy are two different things. I understand what you're saying about these laws having an obvious effect on how the Muslim communities in the U.K. feel, but you must also understand that the British government must also be concerned about how all British citizens feel. Think about it objectively. Europe and the United States have been the countries millions of people around the world strive to be citizens of, and have been for a long time. Some communities assimilate well, and others do not. There are various reasons for this and an entire thread could be devoted to it. The real problem arises when enemies of Western society are living in Western society. Like the 7/7 bombers. They appeared normal and assimilated in every way. I know one was a school teacher. That didn't stop what happened. There are enemies among us in the West, and unfortunately in 2006 they are coming from Muslim communities. Fellow citizens. It is a new phenomenon, and mistakes in domestic policy will be made. Think about if roles were reversed, and millions of Europeans and Americans were immigrating to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, etc. A 9-11 in Iran, a 7/7 in Saudi Arabia, a "Spanish" train bombing in Jordan. The people of these countries would rightly be concerned, and the governments of these countries would take aggressive action in rooting out these extremist elements. Sometimes it might not seem fair to the normal peace-loving peoples of the immigrant community. I know this post is long and semi-rambling, but I'm attempting to put this discussion in an objective context. This isn't about some "anti-Muslim" bias or conspiracy. It is an unfortunate reaction to an unfortunate reality.

 

[Rou]

Inciting violence against the British people and voicing opposition to a foreign policy are two different things. I understand what you're saying about these laws having an obvious effect on how the Muslim communities in the U.K. feel, but you must also understand that the British government must also be concerned about how all British citizens feel. Think about it objectively. Europe and the United States have been the countries millions of people around the world strive to be citizens of, and have been for a long time. Some communities assimilate well, and others do not. There are various reasons for this and an entire thread could be devoted to it. The real problem arises when enemies of Western society are living in Western society. Like the 7/7 bombers. They appeared normal and assimilated in every way. I know one was a school teacher. That didn't stop what happened. There are enemies among us in the West, and unfortunately in 2006 they are coming from Muslim communities. Fellow citizens. It is a new phenomenon, and mistakes in domestic policy will be made. Think about if roles were reversed, and millions of Europeans and Americans were immigrating to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, etc. A 9-11 in Iran, a 7/7 in Saudi Arabia, a "Spanish" train bombing in Jordan. The people of these countries would rightly be concerned, and the governments of these countries would take aggressive action in rooting out these extremist elements. Sometimes it might not seem fair to the normal peace-loving peoples of the immigrant community. I know this post is long and semi-rambling, but I'm attempting to put this discussion in an objective context. This isn't about some "anti-Muslim" bias or conspiracy. It is an unfortunate reaction to an unfortunate reality.

Enemies among the west??? how many muslims out of the 1.8 billion attacked uk??

before the laws and the iraq invasion how many of the 1.8 billion had a negative view of britan i think you will find not many!

as i stated you think these laws will help? think again...

some guys attacked a train we all said how bad it was and now we have laws that are aimed mainly at muslims...

again think...how will this help?

i will tell you what will help...

Bring justice to the world and there will be no terrorists...

this aint about spreading islam lol thats a joke...what by blowing you up randomly it might convince you to become muslim err yeah...

its about forigen polcies and the killing of innocents..

 

[Rou]

Inciting violence against the British people and voicing opposition to a foreign policy are two different things.

im glad you understand this unfortunatly the british goverment and alot of other people dont heance the gowing rift...as a muslim i was prod of britan as far as its understanding of muslims went but under blair it has changed and not due to 9/11 or 7/7 due to his decison for one to go into iraq and to put through these new laws but his whole view on muslims as a whole!? where was he for lebabnon and the innocents killed there??

anyhow this is going nowhere...

i have taken in what you have said and i understand the view of british people thinking these laws are there to help them however i hope you take in that from a muslim prospective these laws dont encourage muslims away from terrorisem but push them towards it...therefore not in the best intrests for the british people they will create a bigger rift and more enemies leading to more attacks.

to finish i pray there are no more attacks and that innocents are spared on both sides from the psycos that care for nothing but power and money...