Religion and Comedy Shows: How far is too far?

[Trumble]

Just because you dont want children watching porn and extremely violent shows does not mean it is bad. However if you try and force people into watching other types of shows through bans and cencorship...... you my drift???:rollseyes

Your 'drift', and post, is half mistaken analogy and half pointless waffle. Porn and violent shows have nothing to it. We are talking about whether something is a proper subject of comedy or not.

There is no reason whatsoever why you cannot censor pornography and violence without inhibiting the possible subjects of comedy; that is exactly what does happen in many places.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Your 'drift', and post, is half mistaken analogy and half pointless waffle. Porn and violent shows have nothing to it. We are talking about whether something is a proper subject of comedy or not.

There is no reason whatsoever why you cannot censor pornography and violence without inhibiting the possible subjects of comedy; that is exactly what does happen in many places.

So would you be in favor of censoring said things from a comedy show for kids?

I would like to censor those things from a comedy show along with jokes about religion.

You would rather censor the former and not the latter. :rollseyes

 

[Amaanah]

THere is a trend of putting religious figures like Jesus/Moses etc in comedy and depicting them in humorous and often derogatory manners.

FOr example,

Carlos Mencia: Extremely popular comedian here in America, had a comedy skit with the Prophets wrestling with each other and beating each other up ( Jesus pbuh won by shooting lightning at Moses pbuh, Muhammad pbuh was shown as invisible and was thrown out of the ring by some Hindu God) :raging:


SOuth Park regularly pokes "fun" if u want to call it at Jesus


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu0-WUu8LCg

Jesus being slashed by one of the characters :raging:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkzJ89NkIxs

Jesus boxing with Satan videogame ( He lost) :raging:




Seriously. People defend these abominations by saying "We're jsut kidding, you shouldnt take it so seriously."

How can you not take public disgracing of your religion seriously? If you dont see it as that, then you need to reassess your faith because this shows a lack of respect for your religion. How can you follow what you dont respect?

I would rather suffer a riot against a cartoon depicting my religion in a comedy show like the ones mentioned above, than it be reduced to a mainstream joke. :enough!:

:thumbs_up
funny how blasphemy counts for nothing next to freedom of speech
and treason holds such a high status :rollseyes​

 

[YusufNoor]

Thanks for the links brother,

I probably didnt make it clear in my post. I am well aware that I can just change the channel. That was not my point.

i'm aware of that Akhi, i was making a different point!

I was interested in hearing people's views on this type of comedy and if it's just me who thinks its retarded.
Peace!

you know, if you go to a strip club, there will be naked women there. if you go to a swingers club, people will be swapping mates. if you go to a satanist church, people will be worshiping satan there.

do you need to go there in order to know it's not appropriate?

do you need to comment on them?

if you don't think there will be irreverence on South Park...

 

[Trumble]

So would you be in favor of censoring said things from a comedy show for kids?

I would like to censor those things from a comedy show along with jokes about religion.

You would rather censor the former and not the latter. :rollseyes

Again, you seem to be confusing two totally different issues. I'm sure we all agree that while some things are 'appropriate' for adults (even if we personally find them distasteful) they are not appropriate for children. A great many adults do enjoy pornography and/or horror movies; that doesn't mean they would want their kids seeing either.

I'd worry about whether it's appropriate to censor a kids' comedy show to remove jokes about religion if they ever had any jokes about religion. They don't. It's a subject some adults find funny, not children, and no comedian includes material that he/she doesn't think will amuse their audience whoever they may be. Kids laugh at slapstick and gags about farting; they wouldn't 'get' religion in a comedy context at all any more than they would politics. When it comes to adult comedy, adult viewers should be allowed their own choice as to what they watch and find amusing, whether you or anybody else find it "retarded" or not. There have been jokes about religion and all religions for thousands of years (the Greeks and Romans told them) and no religion has ever been harmed by them.

 

[Ali_Cena]

As You say that I am on the wrong path, most of the world thinks you are on the wrong path. Doesn't that make you wonder? Of course not, you have faith. Guess what? So do I. It is just different than yours.

But still, if there is a god, she has to have a sense of humor. After all, she created us.

You state "she" what makes you think that God, has got a gender, and that is a She? we in Islam, say that Allah, has got no gender.
Second of all, who said most of the world say that we are on the wrong path, nearly all of the People belive in One God, so do we ok.
Peace

 

[Wilma_Hum]

Peace Wilma,

In no part of my post did I assert to you that you were on the wrong path. it is part of my religion to believe that but I have not shoved it in your face. I notice that there has been an air of aggression from you towards every one of my posts, which is regrettable. And I apologize for any offense I may have given with my previous posts or any in the future! It is unIslamic of me to be rude, especially to one who is seeking the truth such as yourself.

My faith is based upon reason, a critical understanding of scripture, and a desire for truth. Islam has stood head above shoulders from the other faiths and ideologies.

Enough about me though, you are completely entitled to your opinion. But all you did is reassert your opening claim about God "having to have" a sense of humor, or what you yourself consider to be a sense of humor. You have only your opinion backing you.

Dont you think that some things are too sacred to make fun of? Or that there are other types of humor? God does not need to accept a joke about religion to be qualified as having a sense of humor.


Before I forget though, the number of adherents to Islam, in the end means nothing. THough it is the fastest growing and second largest religion which, in fact DOES make me think. It has the least number of sects, which does make me wonder. It even has the same book used by the sects. Cool huh?

“Islam began as something strange and will revert to being strange as it began, so give glad tidings to the strangers.” - hadith of the Prophet pbuh

Your views on your religion are interesting. I joined the forum because I want to know how others feel about there religion. So I thank you for the time, effort, and thoughtfulness you put it to it.
Sorry I miss read one of your statements.
But let me assure you, Agnosticism, is "not choosing" "A Path" because it is "A Path".

 

[Wilma_Hum]

You state "she" what makes you think that God, has got a gender, and that is a She? we in Islam, say that Allah, has got no gender.
Second of all, who said most of the world say that we are on the wrong path, nearly all of the People belive in One God, so do we ok.
Peace

Of course god would not have a gender. But how many millions of times have you heard god referred to as he?
No on gets there dander up when god is referred to as "he".
That's why I generally use "she".
Second of all, 80% of the world does not believe in Islam is the "Right Path".
Everyone who believes in "One God" is not on the same path.

 

[Ali_Cena]

Of course god would not have a gender. But how many millions of times have you heard god referred to as he?
No on gets there dander up when god is referred to as "he".
That's why I generally use "she".
Second of all, 80% of the world does not believe in Islam is the "Right Path".
Everyone who believes in "One God" is not on the same path.

Hi, just wanted to say, lots of people use the word, "HE" not becuase of gender...

Second off, 80% of the people do not belive that agnostism is the "right path". second off, in Islam we belive that thier were messengers, sent in differnet times for different regions, and for diffreent languaes, now the Prophet sent down for thier times, regions and languges were only for thier times, regions and languges, and The Qu'ran, which our Prophet Mohammed SAW, was sent not for that area(arabia) it was sent for the whole of mankind. now you might get for example a christian, who follows christianity/Bible, but it still comes from Allah (God) as in islam we belive that the Bible, Torah and Quran came from Allah (God),now you might be saying but you(Muslims) belive it is corrupt?--becuase we belive that humans edited them, the only one which has not been touched(as in edited) is the Quran, so you might belive in a monothiestic religion, but it is the Same Allah(God), only one. other people are just following Allah(God) thier own way, which the right way i belive and know is Islam.
umm if you didnt understand, just let me know.
Peace

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Your views on your religion are interesting. I joined the forum because I want to know how others feel about there religion. So I thank you for the time, effort, and thoughtfulness you put it to it.
Sorry I miss read one of your statements.
But let me assure you, Agnosticism, is "not choosing" "A Path" because it is "A Path".

Just to clarify, are you saying that agnosticism is a religion? I am curious about your use of the phrase "path".

As far as I know, and from reading about T.H. Huxely who first coined the term, agnosticism is a state of mind. One that has not made up its mind between the various ideologies in the world. Hence, I see it as no more a "separate" path than a lack of a road is a "road".

 

[KAding]

I would rather suffer a riot against a cartoon depicting my religion in a comedy show like the ones mentioned above, than it be reduced to a mainstream joke. :enough!:

To be frank, it is not up to you or me to decide what is or what isn't allowed, what others can or can't watch. Similarly, we are not right to take the law into our own hands, simply because we deem certain expressions to be "retarded" or "offensive". Keep in mind that shows like South Park have an adult rating and are targeted at adults.

We are essentially talking about satire here. And yes, it is a form of criticism. Yes, it does poke fun at some religious beliefs. However, you have no more right to ban South Park for such clips than I as an atheist am right to ban the Qu'ran for calling unbelievers the "worst of creatures" or for saying I am so despicable that I deserve eternal hellfire. The Qu'ran or the Hadith might not be comedy, but they are plenty "offensive" potential, in a way that actually makes it worse of course!

You may believe that your opinion is the truth, but trust me, most people have the same view about their own religion or world view. You do not have a monopoly on 'being offended' either. As a follower of a moralistic religion, be very aware that this is a slippery slope. As soon as "being offended" becomes a cause for censure and limitations to freedom of speech, you will lose your own religious freedoms very quickly. Because, without a doubt, the doctrine you follow will also be 'offensive' to some. Note, that the same applies for many other ideologies/religions. If you want us to take your offense seriously, then surely we'll have to do the same with the offense of others. This would lead to places you would probably would not want it to lead.

"Offense" or "outrage" is not be a valid argument for censorship. You'll have to do better than that and show how certain comedy, satire or criticism is causing actual harm.

 

[aamirsaab]

In light of the previous posts, perhaps then the question that should be asked is should religion be respected? If yes/no, why?

Also, when does comedy become disrespectful?

Note: I myself love comedies in a general form (House is brilliant!). Though, I personally draw a line at anything clearly offensive to any religion e.g. I won't find someone insulting any of the Prophets or derogatory comments aimed at any followers as funny - this might have something to do with the fact that those kinds of jokes actually suck due to their blatant and obvious nature (I prefer sarcasm and irony to lewd and crude....but whatever)

 

[Wilma_Hum]

Hi, just wanted to say, lots of people use the word, "HE" not becuase of gender...

Second off, 80% of the people do not belive that agnostism is the "right path". second off, in Islam we belive that thier were messengers, sent in differnet times for different regions, and for diffreent languaes, now the Prophet sent down for thier times, regions and languges were only for thier times, regions and languges, and The Qu'ran, which our Prophet Mohammed SAW, was sent not for that area(arabia) it was sent for the whole of mankind. now you might get for example a christian, who follows christianity/Bible, but it still comes from Allah (God) as in islam we belive that the Bible, Torah and Quran came from Allah (God),now you might be saying but you(Muslims) belive it is corrupt?--becuase we belive that humans edited them, the only one which has not been touched(as in edited) is the Quran, so you might belive in a monothiestic religion, but it is the Same Allah(God), only one. other people are just following Allah(God) thier own way, which the right way i belive and know is Islam.
umm if you didnt understand, just let me know.
Peace

Did I say or imply tht " 80% of the people do not belive that agnostism is the "right path"."?
No, so why did you state that?
Why distort my words?

Did I attack you or your religion? If you thought that, you are wrong.

It seams you have an inability to cope with people who believe different that you.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Muhammad pbuh was shown as invisible and was thrown out of the ring by some Hindu God

Lol, this one really made me laugh.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Lol, this one really made me laugh.

-_- Did they really think that making him invisible would really make it any better when they have such skits? Hes in a god forsaken wrestling match, if they wanted to not insult us, they should have left him out.

Fools...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

-_- Did they really think that making him invisible would really make it any better when they have such skits? Hes in a god forsaken wrestling match, if they wanted to not insult us, they should have left him out.

Fools...

I'm pretty sure they didn't make him invisible to spare your religious sentiments.

 

[جوري]

I'm pretty sure they didn't make him invisible to spare your religious sentiments.

cool cat.. we were wondering where you'd wandered?-- really glad to have you aboard.. :welcome: back

 

[Whatsthepoint]

cool cat.. we were wondering where you'd wandered?-- really glad to have you aboard.. :welcome: back

Nice to see you too. Won't be back for long though.

 

[Wilma_Hum]

Just to clarify, are you saying that agnosticism is a religion? I am curious about your use of the phrase "path".

As far as I know, and from reading about T.H. Huxely who first coined the term, agnosticism is a state of mind. One that has not made up its mind between the various ideologies in the world. Hence, I see it as no more a "separate" path than a lack of a road is a "road".

Agnosticism is a religion? Now that is an interesting question. That made me pull out my “Funk and Wagnall”.
Different than what T.H. Huxely said, my dictionary says “agnosticism: view that God's existence is unprovable”. And for religion “beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life”.
So I guess, at there most basic level, they do share some similarity.

But I never thought of it as that way. To me it is obvious that god is not provable. While many claim proof, in reality they have only found evidence that has convinced them. That is OK, I take no issue with that.

The major factor in me becoming an Agnostic is that I kept finding, what I conceder, to be logic errors, in every organized religion I looked at.

Maybe you can’t see agnosticism as a path because of how you think of a path.
I don’t believe I need a watch or a calendar to determine if it is time to perform some ritual and I don’t need a book to tell me murder is a bad thing. I think deep in our hearts we all know the difference between right and wrong.

To me, the critical thing is to follow what you believe because it is what you believe and it needs not to be based on what someone else believes.

 

[جوري]

Nice to see you too. Won't be back for long though.

drop in from time to time.. it is good to have you around!