I was comparing Islamic societies to Western societies so I could judge which moral system to follow, as another poster seemed to suggest.
You should compare things that have some semblance- not imaginary societies that exist in your own mind?
The poster then responded by saying there aren't any Muslim societies, which sort of surprised me.
Maybe you are not as well read as you think?
But this discussion of the nature of shariah law in Saudi Arabia is sort of a tangent; if Saudi Arabia isn't a "Muslim society," what is?
A secular one that houses Muslims.. surely you can understand that, given that you live in the 'west' where you swear your presidents in by bibles which they don't implement or do they?
Islamic societies never engaged in slavery, imperialism, or genocide?
No they didn't! Islam came to enforce the best of traits and abolish what is hated.. you can browse this forum for very long discussions from the Visigoths to south east Asia!
Islam can't be responsible if the nature of men..
Mongols came, destroyed a great deal of the Muslim world, but the grandson of Genghis converted to Islam.. is Islam then responsible for seeded traits that he was passed on from his grandfather? try to carry that thought through before you write half-baked compositions which you expect to somehow have a profound affect on the rest of us!
And yes, I am ashamed of much of my culture's historical tradition. Are you?
Not at all, I am very proud of it!
You seem like a Jew in denial!
And are you saying that Muslim-occupied Spain was a "Muslim society" in a way that modern Saudi Arabia is not?
Absolutely-- though not a caliphate run system it was not a Monarchy-- Monarchies aren't Islamic along with dictatorships are the worst!
Why do you think Maimodenes was a parasite?
When you live under Islamic law, and yet write books mocking the hand that fed, I'd think you a parasite!
Do you think Muslims living on welfare or in asylum in Europe or America are parasites?
Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.
Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.
they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.
Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002
(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)
WASHINGTON —
Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.
They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.
The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.
The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that
86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html
according to this, Muslims seem to be doing better than the natives?.. further your entire ailing economies are now being supported by gulf countries if not always actually (do read the book, 'confessions of an economic hit man') , so when you give examples you don't come across like a complete yahoo, who doesn't know his A** from his head!
Even if they lived on well fare which I don't believe to be true, they are entitled to it!
I mean, I admit that Andalusia was probably quite nice and tolerant ... compared to medieval Christendom. But I have trouble believing that you actually think it was a nicer and more tolerant place than ... which country do you live in, incidentally?
I would rather be living in Andalusia than where I preside currently -- and where I preside currently is none of your business!
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