Response to a stubborn disbeliever

[Umar001]

There is no date. Allah was not created, He has always existed and is outside the dimension of time. The concept of time is something created, and Allah is not created.

He is not bound by the things He creates.

You know, asking someone when something, which IS NOT created, was created, is like asking a man, when did you give birth, and when he replies, I dont give birth, you say 'No no, just answer, when did you give birth' :statisfie

What you and a Few others here want is for people to tell you what you WANT / AGREE ..... To hear . And when this doesn't happen SOME here began to insult / name calling , And they 're allow to get away with it because they're muslims ,

Maybe you could tell me and I'd deal with him, I dont know everything to be able to shut down any name calling any place, a tip off would be helpful.

 

[MustafaMc]

I love it when guys play on words . No matter how you play it the muslims God Allah came into existence1400 years after the Christian God .

Of course.....a most foolish question answered most foolishly.

 

[barney]

Actually it's been quite a bit longer. You see, Abraham felt Sarah and he were getting a little old to have any children so, instead of waiting on the Lord to provide, he had relations with Sarah's servant and the result was Ishmail. After a bit, and in God's time, Sarah had Isaac, the promised son. After a bit again, Hagar (Ishmail's mom) wanted her son to have more of the birthright than what was in God's plan so Abraham made her leave with Ishmail. Ishmail's blessing was that He would be the patriarch of the Arab race. Of course we know Isaac was from where sprung the Hebrew race. Basically what we have here is an approximately 4000 year old family feud. Family feuds, if left to run with no reconciliation, get more contentious and bitter which is a pretty apt description of the middle east right now. Also it probably didn't help the way the son's (descendants) of Ishmail are described in the Old Testament, but I'll let you research that one, I've probably upset enough people already.

Yeah, thx Evan, I already knew that one
Ishmael sacrificed not issac, father of arabs , donkeys (asses) of men (strong/stupid). Hated by all.

But thanks anyway

 

[Balthasar21]

You don't seem to have understood nor overstood.

I was saying that;



Instead of saying 1400 years after Christian God, which would mean the year, roughly 1397 CE, you mean 600 CE.

If I wanted to, as some might put it, 'school you' that'd be pretty easy, but I have no inclination towards that.




This only shows your lack of knowledge, if you'd like to discuss the validity of Hadith in Islam then feel free to start a thread. Wonder why you would reject the words of Muhammad, a Messenger of God, yet belive him when he said the Qur'an is the word of God. Well that's if you believe the Qur'an is the word of God, you do right?



Just out of curiousity what post have I closed that you mention 'Another'? I'm getting on abit and I forget sometimes.

Regards,

Eesa

Al Habeshi < Says > If I wanted to, as some might put it, 'school you' that'd be pretty easy, but I have no inclination towards that.


Balthasar21 < Says > First you have to make up you mind which School Of Though you will use against me , Next thing you'll do is closed out the post because of my answer like you have done , Naaaaaa you don't want to try to school me of all people . Your not ready for me Yet . You speak of Hadith Yes Laughing here . Are you saying I Can Start A Post On Hadith's And you or any of the Moderators / Administrator Will Not Closed / Remove / Delete The Post YES or No ? ... Beware of what you ask for ok .

 

[Balthasar21]

You know, asking someone when something, which IS NOT created, was created, is like asking a man, when did you give birth, and when he replies, I dont give birth, you say 'No no, just answer, when did you give birth' :statisfie



Maybe you could tell me and I'd deal with him, I dont know everything to be able to shut down any name calling any place, a tip off would be helpful.

How can you not see what going when you read every post I post LOLOLOL

 

[ranma1/2]

The problem is that the translation is distorted to shift the interpretation of the original arabic verse in an attempt to deceive those who don't know arabic into believing the Quran says something it does not. Certainly God did not intend to say that those who change His Word in the original language were guilty of sin while those who mistranslate it were not.

Not to mention the quran has multiple writers"scribes if you wish" like the bible. The ability verify whether the quran changed before it was offically written down is impossible.

 

[ranma1/2]

Thanks for what? For the knowledge that all those who disbelieve are the lowest living beings on this planet? Or for the knowledge that my "garments of fire will be cut out for me" and "boiling water will be poured down over my head"?

Remember you need boiling water to make "aldente"
In the name of the GFSM may SBUY.

 

[Umar001]

Balthasar21 < Says > First you have to make up you mind which School Of Though you will use against me ,

Which school of thought when we are to discuss the validity of hadith? Lol. You know non Muslims discuss the validity of Hadith, do they follow a school of thought?

Next thing you'll do is closed out the post because of my answer like you have done , Naaaaaa you don't want to try to school me of all people . Your not ready for me Yet .

Interesting how you 'predict' my very moves, yet fail to answer questions.

Just out of curiousity what post have I closed that you mention 'Another'? I'm getting on abit and I forget sometimes.

Regards,

Eesa

Do you normally ignore questions you find hard to answer? Did you ever reply about to the question about the article's creation on the other thread?

You speak of Hadith Yes Laughing here . Are you saying I Can Start A Post On Hadith's And you or any of the Moderators / Administrator Will Not Closed / Remove / Delete The Post YES or No ? ... Beware of what you ask for ok .

I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.

How can you not see what going when you read every post I post LOLOLOL

Great assumption, you think I read all of your posts? I did when you were new here, I put some effort, but after a while, I thought it best to leave you be, since you harldly replied to questions. Some people hear but hear not and see but see not.

So if you want to give me alink to a post where you were insulted plesae do, if not then don't complain.

Not to mention the quran has multiple writers"scribes if you wish" like the bible. The ability verify whether the quran changed before it was offically written down is impossible.

The two are miles apart. I might not have a video camera with footage but the chances are nowhere near each other.

Regards,

 

[ranma1/2]

ccn i ask u sumtingz if u dnt mind.. why dnt u blive in god? bcuz u dont feel God? hav u tried 2 sit dwn and think abt dis? isnt better to blive in God than not 2? whats rong wid blieve in Allah? give me good valid bad points please.. they arent insultz and threats..!!! theyr just wht our lord told us in the Qur'aan abt the kafirs (disbelievers)

l337??

1t l337 iz v3r4 4n0y1n5.

Why do you not believe in the christian god, IPU, GFSM, Zeus, Ball, SHiva.. ect...?
How does one feel god? Emotions?
Many atheists were former theists /deists and have thought in great detail about this.
Why is it good to believe in a god? Apart from the obvious pascals wager argument I see it better to not believe in a god. I am able to act better and live a better life without wasting time or performing actions in the name of someone else for some imaginary prize. I feel my actions are performed more selflessly and I spend my time wiser.
What wrong with believing in allah? Well apart from how poor of being i see alah, i see a problem with believing in something without any evidence. Even if "allah did exists i would not worship a being as described in the bible, torah or quran. I see those beings as not worthy of being worshiped.
And threating hellfire or calling nonbelievers names is using threats and insults.

 

[ranma1/2]

Keep in mind no translation is the Qur'an. I believe most muslim when speaking to a non-Arabic speaking, Non-Muslim, would do his/her best to make that understood. Most will explain that there are several very good translations, yet none of them give an accurate meaning in all sentences.

Arabic simply can not be translated accuratly into another language. Any translation is biased an the attempted views by the translator to Explain it in the other language. For a non-Arabic speaker to get a close concept of the Qur'an it is best to view several trasnslation and then seek the opinions of an Ababic speaking Muslim.

To a person desiring to be Muslim, it is their responsibility to learn all they can about Islam from all possible sources. And then make their choice from knowledge they have sought and found themselves. All of us will admit that we do not have the ability to translate purely the Qur'an into your language. We can only state what we believe in terms of your language. We will make mistakes. However, no Muslim would deliberatly use the Qur'an to deceive.

Regaurding translations.
Why would god not make multiple perfecft translations? It seems to be a big mistake. Not to meniton even if you are a native speaker of arabic you have to have a "scholar" translate or tell you what it means. You too are not reading theactual quran. What you lose is meaning. Are you familiar with shakespear? Even if you are a native speaker of the language you still have to get a "translation" of what they said to what it means now.

 

[Pygoscelis]

No matter how you slice / dice it the christian God was here before the muslim God Allah . Now if I'm wrong show me in your Qur'aan word for word date for date , Chapter for chapter , Verse for verse , No '' Hadiyth '' Which are word of men that can't be back up with your Qur'aan . When did Allah came into existance .

You are making a major error in your logic. The Quran could be written TODAY, never before seen and Allah could still have predated Jehovah (assuming for the moment that the two exist). If these Gods exist then the holy books did not create them, and it is irrelevant when the holy books came to be. The books would just be communications with the God, not God itself.

Are You Looking For Another Way To Closed Out Another Post Because You Can't Deal With Other Answer ?

I agree with you that they are wrong, and that Allah isn't a God at all but an idea, and that it came to be when the Quran was written. But that simply isn't their paradigm or view. You asked them a question (When did Allah come to be). They answered it. It appears to be YOU who can not deal with their answer.

 

[ranma1/2]

Apparently you are using the freeware demo version. While it is excellent for showing the product, it does not contain the full features and is not under full warranty. In order to obtain the full version it is necessary to complete the Manufacturers contract, which we refer to as the Shahadah, the full manual which we call the Qur'an is available for free upon request. There are previous models still in existence but it is advised to be cautious of using them as they have been abused by previous users and the warranty has been violated and is no longer in effect for them. For the full warranty, you need to use the genuine product as provided by the Manufacturer.

Woodrow you are one of my honest favorites here.
You always seem to be in good humour and not bat quano crazy.
Keep up with the humor and good nature. Peace.

 

[ranma1/2]

Apparently you are using the freeware demo version. While it is excellent for showing the product, it does not contain the full features and is not under full warranty. In order to obtain the full version it is necessary to complete the Manufacturers contract, which we refer to as the Shahadah, the full manual which we call the Qur'an is available for free upon request. There are previous models still in existence but it is advised to be cautious of using them as they have been abused by previous users and the warranty has been violated and is no longer in effect for them. For the full warranty, you need to use the genuine product as provided by the Manufacturer.

So how do we reach the manufacturer. I have written, sent emails, called, etc and I never get a reply. Of course perhaps Im sending to the wrong address or manufacturer.

 

[ranma1/2]

Question ; Was The prophet Muhammad influenced by The Christians ???

christian responce, - yes.
muslim repsonce - no
mine- yes.

 

[ranma1/2]

:salamext:



Guys (Woodrow and sis Malaikah), i think the trust was given to Adam, and since he was the first human, obviously it continued through his lineage. I think that's explained in Tafsir Ibn Kathir. And Allaah knows best.

which is horrible way of punishing the children for what the parents did.

I would like some evidence that allah knows best. "quite a few design flaws in his creation and all"

 

[ranma1/2]

Now everyone know the christian God was here before the muslims God Allah Muslims God came 1400 years later , That why I ask were you given a two fold answer .

He is saying that the jews and the christians did not correctly write down the answer. Mohammad did. "of course all religions say this pretty much"

They of course have to say this or they lose a lot of ground.

 

[ranma1/2]

Oooh, its a long one with many twists and turns...but...

Muslims beleive that their God is the Christian and Jewish god, but he came to them (arabs) with a update, because the Jews had corrupted the "word"
The corruption of the word required retelling parts of it in a very different manner, which annoyed the jews and started a 1374 year long fight.

Jews beleive their message is right, because they got it first. It tells them that they are special and the best.

Christians beleive that The Jewish god came down to earth and switched from a ***** God into a Peaceful all loving god, told everyone to love him and everyone else, then went back up....about the same time as his death....which saved mankind from his own wrath. It gets confusing.

that wraps it up.

of course what gets me is why it took so long for alah to send down the correct version of his religion. But i guess he knew best that by not doing so there would be much conflict. He must have wanted this conflcit right?

 

[ranma1/2]

Have you read "Life of Pi" ......

Speaking of
Pi.

Why is pi= to 3 in the bible?

 

[ranma1/2]

Such a foolish question that only the most wretched would ask.

wow insults? I take it you dont know the answer?

 

[ranma1/2]

I love it when guys play on words . No matter how you play it the muslims God Allah came into existence1400 years after the Christian God .

the muslim concept came into existence. From their point of view he always existed. He was just really bad at getting his message across.