Response to a stubborn disbeliever

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barney said:
That seems pointless & narcassistic.

We are some sort of cheering machine?
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LOL funny

God does not depend on us .....we need Him .

Some people are so brave .......lol...why don't u spend ur courage in a positive way ? Don't give devil a chance to create unnecessary confusion in ur heart , pl.
 
Muslim Woman;766174 Some people are so brave .......lol...why don't u spend ur courage in a positive way ? [/QUOTE said:
I have no fear of god. If there is a omnipresent craetor aware of my existance, then he will judge me on my actions and make his decision.
I live my life by my code of doing no harm to others. If thats good enough for "god" then great. If not, well so what...it was good enough for me. I'm not changing that over threats of burning shirts and boiling stomachs.

If he/it/she is worthy of praise, they would not seek it.
They would not need 5 times a day prayer (reduced after some haggeling from 50 times a day). They would not need Hail marys, and constant addressing everything in our lives to him/her/it.

Tinkerbell dissapears if you dont beleive in her. Would a Creator vanish if it wasnt praised every day?
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
i want you to think about the last 6 months of you living through with this code, in all honesty have you harmed others? :?
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Nope. I may have unavoidibly been late for work once and caused the previous shift to wait 5 minuites longer than neccessery.
It wasnt intentional and I cant see how praying for forgiveness is going to give that person their 5 miniutes back.
I apologised to them at the time. Done deal, no self-flagellating involved.
 
barney said:
That seems pointless & narcassistic.

We are some sort of cheering machine?
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The best way of cheering G-d is to treat his creations with respect. Worship in terms of rituals is simply saying 'Yo, thanks for everything! You're the greatest!'
 
I've got a few muslims working at my workplace, you say it's haram for muslims to listen to music. Well basically people put the radio on and notch up the volume therefore the muslim guys and gals HAVE to listen to this music. Would that be haram for them? There's no way of escaping it unless they quit.
 
barney said:
Actually, It's a agnostic arguement.
The lack of reality in established religion, dosn't invalidate the existance of a creator.


Have fun. :)
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Yes. Good and fair point. The lack of existence of Gods depicted in the holy texts does NOT establish that there are no Gods that exist (and don't have such texts). It is quite plausible that Gods do exist yet don't interfere with humanity, like the deists believe.
 
Muezzin:
As a agnostic, I admire the world and it's many wonders. I attribute the root of all of this to some craeting force. And i treat it with a certain respect.

Just dont need to pray to do that.

Psygo: Do you think that they once took a interest? Set the ball rolling then moved on?
 


Salaam/ peace ;

England said:
I've got a few muslims working at my workplace, ............ Would that be haram for them? There's no way of escaping it unless they quit.
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if one has no choice , no intention to disobey God but s/he was forced , then there is no sin for him/her.

In that case , they may encourgae people to listen to ' halal' songs :D or may try to find other jobs where they won't be forced to listen to haram music.

And God knows best.



verse of the Day :

Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God , nor the angels who are near ( to God ) ; And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud , then He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

Chapter Women , verse 172 ( 4: 172 )




 


Salaam/ peace ;


ranma1/2 said:
I myself have not harmed others.
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Are u sure ????

may be , u confused other people about God ; thus harm them forever .

Those who reject God will get rewards for good deeds in this world only ...they will be looser in the life hereafter.

If there is no life hereafter , then no worry at all for anyone ; but if there is indeed eternal life , how u will help urself & the people u confused on the last day?


verses of the Day :


And there are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire!"


To these will be allotted what they have earned; and Allah is quick in account. 2:201-202


 
Muslim Woman said:
Those who reject God will get rewards for good deeds in this world only ...they will be looser in the life hereafter.

If there is no life hereafter , then no worry at all for anyone ; but if there is indeed eternal life , how u will help urself & the people u confused on the last day?
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Pascal's Wager is a flawed argument. There are more than simply 2 possibilities after life. What if Thor exists? What if Fundamentalist Christians are right? That would mean both me and you are going to hell.
 


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Skavau said:
Pascal's Wager is a flawed argument. There are more than simply 2 possibilities after life.
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as i said , if there is no God , no fear at all for any of us. For believers , it will be a great loss of course .......avoid
Satan's tempations through out the whole life & later find out that no God at all .......uhhhhh , can't think of it.


What if Thor exists?
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there is only One God . So , no chance of exists of different different gods.......wastage of valuable time to even think about god but not God.


What if Fundamentalist Christians are right? That would mean both me and you are going to hell.
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LOL , if really Jesus (p) is God ( may God forgive me for writing this ) , then at least Muslims will be able to explain that Jesus (p) , u told us --"My Father is greater than I." & we obeyed u .

So , don't punish us for worshipping God who is the greatest. .

It's simply impossible that Jesus (p) will be angry at Muslims for worshipping one God only......apply ur logic ....hopefully u will understand :statisfie


But those who deny the existance of God , how can they expect mercy of God ?




 
Muslim Woman said:



may be , u confused other people about God ; thus harm them forever .
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Thats frankly Impossible. How can a atheist or a Agnostic confuse anyone about God.
They dont beleive in it, so they dont know the truth like a believer does.

Let the Atheists quote facts and logic all day long.
It dosnt change the Truth.
 
Muslim Woman said:


Salaam/ peace ;

as i said , if there is no God , no fear at all for any of us. For believers , it will be a great loss of course .......avoid
Satan's tempations through out the whole life & later find out that no God at all .......uhhhhh , can't think of it.

there is only One God . So , no chance of exists of different different gods.......wastage of valuable time to even think about god but not God.

LOL , if really Jesus (p) is God ( may God forgive me for writing this ) , then at least Muslims will be able to explain that Jesus (p) , u told us --"My Father is greater than I." & we obeyed u .

So , don't punish us for worshipping God who is the greatest. .

It's simply impossible that Jesus (p) will be angry at Muslims for worshipping one God only......apply ur logic ....hopefully u will understand :statisfie


But those who deny the existance of God , how can they expect mercy of God ?
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You really seem to have no understanding of pascals wager do you?

You have no evidence that your god is right "which by the christians point of view is not your god" Jesus "the christian one" would say what you followed the words of a false prohpet? Boot to hell....

Your wager is flawed thats all there is to it.
 
barney said:
Muezzin:
As a agnostic, I admire the world and it's many wonders. I attribute the root of all of this to some craeting force. And i treat it with a certain respect.

Just dont need to pray to do that.
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That's fair enough. Though I don't necessarily agree with your point of view, I understand and accept it.
 
Salaam/ peace;

ranma1/2 said:
You really seem to have no understanding of pascals wager do you?.
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I don't think , God will ask me on the last day about pascals wager :p

so , don't want to know about details ....but u r welcome to write in short if u think it's necessary for my salvation :statisfie


You have no evidence that your god is right ....QUOTE]


:giggling: :giggling:

& u have evidence that i m wrong ? Anyway , God is only one . Both Muslims & Christians believe in that ......but Christians say it in a complicated way.


My intelliegence ( not even sure if spell is correct :-[ ) level is not very high....so , it's impossible for me to understand any mystery.


I m sure , God the most kind , ever merciful won't punish me for not understanding any mystery. As i believe in one God only , God Willing , last day won't be much scary :)


Pl. everybody , say Ameen to that :statisfie
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