Right Ho! Paradise...Now what?

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Ok. The last day has come and gone, everyone is either away in paradise or hell.

Now what?
My question's are.
1)Can we bear it?
We are in paradise for eternity...thats going to be utterly unbearable.Imagine living in a place where there is no hardship, no challenge, no anger, no future, no hope, no sleep, no change..for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever...without cease.
I suppose the phrase “living in a place…” needs some clarification. I’m not aware of any description of just how we “live on”. I suppose the various religious mythos suggest that a soul lives on but that excludes the physical body. Perhaps it’s the ego or some other metaphysical entity that continues to exist.

But how egotistical of theists that they believe their ego is so valuable to humanity that it must exist forever.

I don't mistake a corruption of organization (religion) with a belief in any gods. Many people with no outward religious beliefs believe there is a god (although believing in a god by definition makes one religious in the strictest sense of the word). I go a step further, seeing that what we as humans would wish to be true (that there is a god who will take care of us, that he loves us, that we live forever after we die, that evil will be judged, etc.) doesn't translate into what really is, which is reality, a natural world, with natural (if sometimes mysterious but always really cool) explanations.


2) Whats the point?
God created us to pass his test so that we can live forever in bliss if we do his will. well here we are , his will has been done and he's pleased with us. Now what do we do. Whats our purpose, whats the point of anything. Are we in paradise to eternally praise him still, if so whats the point in that? It's like creating your own eternal-self cheering show. The whole of creation was made for us,just so that we could praise god and pass the test. Do we have any other use?
The “pass the test” requirement seems to be a logical fallacy that theists buy into. Theists assign rather specific and identifiable attributes for a “being” which is beyond our understanding. So why assign them? Why ascribe these various attributes to a god(s) you claim is beyond our conception. If, as you testified, god(s) is beyond our conception, your attributes describing him/her may be completely wrong. Is this true or not true? Unless you are going to enlighten us with some special knowledge, god(s) have had no direct verifiable communication with any known human. Is this true or not true? You utterly contradict yourself claiming god(s) is/are beyond characterizations, yet, you describe a myriad of such characterizations.



3) Might as well throw away reality now?
God has whipped up in 6 days a pretty infinate universe with Trillions of stars with Gigaparsecs of space. Lets say that he set up a few other planets as well with humans on it to pass his tests. The day has come and gone. Everything that he's created, is it all going to fizzle out now? It's of no use anymore.
Even if the "gods" chose to intervene out of pity for us poor creatures hopelessly spinning wild conjectural theories about who and what we are, and where we came from, what would these gods tell us? That our existence is predetermined? Maybe they would tell us that all our dogmatic proclamations were utterly unfounded, and we worshiped beings who are just as constrained to the unalterable laws of reality as we are, even if there is a difference in dimensions, and space/time continuum.

Again, we are left to conjecture what this god would or would not think of itself and “its” own motives, but do we think of ourselves as godlike? I realize that some people certainly would, but I hope that we collectively would not. I don't think scientists culture bacteria in petri dishes all the while thinking they are somehow gods over their various bacterium. If anything, they are completely disinterested in the bacterium except as how it pertains to whatever experiment they are pursuing; in which case, perhaps "god" has finished his experiment with us, and we are relegated to some dusty back shelf, allowed to simply mold.
 
what if we're all wrong?
maybe when we die we wake up to find ourselves in the celestial, eternal
wal-mart? or maybe an endless shopping mall from which there is no exit....ever?
now that's scary. :scared:
 
Paradise is something beyond our imagination...

so there would be zillions of things/interests that we never seen or experienced that would make us not boring eternally.

I believe that God is very good in keeping the Paradise citizens happy eternally... because he's our Creator... He knows what makes us boring and what is not...:)
 
i love life and am thankful to god for my life.
that said, i never found the concept of eternal life (be it in heaven or hell) in the least bit appealing.

yeah, hell sounds much more funner.

Heaven you cant drink, smoke, have sex with strangers, cuss, play pranks, listen to music, dance perhaps and manyother things.

Hell now hell sounds cool.

Great heating, BBQ every night, rock n roll and more.
he he he...
 
I see no point in any of this. Heaven and Hell is something our 5 senses cannot comprehend. We wont know for sure until we get there. Although the way Allah puts it in the Quran, heaven is a place that I wanna go to, inshallah.

Maybe we can all get together in the hereafter and continue this discussion? See you in the akhira :D
 
Great heating,

It's worser than being in hawaii in mid summer with the clothing that you'd naturally wear in Alaska during mid winter.

BBQ every night,

Yeah. Ever tried burnt BBQ? Tastes like burnt BBQ. Not a good taste, may I add.

rock n roll and more.

Ever tried playing music on a cassette/radio while it's on your cooker?

1)Can we bear it?
We are in paradise for eternity...thats going to be utterly unbearable.Imagine living in a place where there is no hardship, no challenge, no anger, no future, no hope, no sleep, no change..for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever...without cease.

Isn't that the type of world we dream to create? Utopia? If you think we wouldn't be pleased with that, then why do we put our efforts in creating a peaceful world?

2) Whats the point?
God created us to pass his test so that we can live forever in bliss if we do his will. well here we are , his will has been done and he's pleased with us. Now what do we do. Whats our purpose, whats the point of anything. Are we in paradise to eternally praise him still, if so whats the point in that? It's like creating your own eternal-self cheering show. The whole of creation was made for us,just so that we could praise god and pass the test. Do we have any other use?
3) Might as well throw away reality now?
God has whipped up in 6 days a pretty infinate universe with Trillions of stars with Gigaparsecs of space. Lets say that he set up a few other planets as well with humans on it to pass his tests. The day has come and gone. Everything that he's created, is it all going to fizzle out now? It's of no use anymore.

God has given us a tad bit of the knowledge that He has. Therefore, we don't know what's to happen after that. The answer's as simple as that. ANd besides, you're looking at it the way I sometimes see it as. It seems like a dream, where you're floating with no goal and no destination. It's peaceful and all, but pointless. I'm quite sure that heaven is more than just floating on clouds and angels with harps [< I don't believe in that by the way].

:w:
 
Hell now hell sounds cool.

Great heating, BBQ every night, rock n roll and more.
he he he...
I suppose the endless torture of the physical, sexual and Christina Aguilera varieties you have to endure wasn't included in your travel brochure.

Package deals aren't the source of all evil... but they ain't far off.
 
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Greetings,
Does anyone else think this debate is fundamentally too metaphysical to be taken seriously for any substantial length of time? I mean no disrespect to any participants, it's just the topic is becoming understandably farcical.

Taking heaven and hell too seriously has been causing humanity major problems for centuries now. Will we never learn?

Peace
 
THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..... lol are you serious?!

you do know boredome- growing weary - getting tired - lack of excitement interest - DULLNESS are all worldly feelings and emotions and in heaven they will have no part. Pure peace and contentment, purest desires always fulfilled, each experience better then the last... this is heaven.

May Allaah grant all of us (muslims) jannah !

Ameen
 
If you want there to be.

But dude come on, who would watch TV in PARADISE??:giggling:
TV sounds a lot more exciting than actual descriptions of paradise in the Quran. "Gardens watered by flowing streams?" I guess if I was a desert nomad this would sound very nice, but this imagery isn't exactly impressive when we have indoor plumbing, refrigerators and Britta filters.
 
TV sounds a lot more exciting than actual descriptions of paradise in the Quran. "Gardens watered by flowing streams?" I guess if I was a desert nomad this would sound very nice, but this imagery isn't exactly impressive when we have indoor plumbing, refrigerators and Britta filters.

So says the person who has no appreciation for nature.^o)

The trees are made of gold and silver, the soil is made of musk, the rivers are of either water, milk, honey or wine, the pebbles of paradise are jewels.

How can indoor plumbing ever compare? God gave you an imagination... please use it.

Here is on of the descriptions of paradise from the Quran (please note, the Arabic is soo much better, the translation does no justice to it):

15. (They will be) on thrones woven with gold and precious stones,
16. Reclining thereon, face to face.
17. They will be served by immortal boys,
18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine,
19. Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.
20. And fruit; that they may choose.
21. And the flesh of fowls that they desire.
22. And (there will be) Houris (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious),
23. Like unto preserved pearls.
24. A reward for what they used to do.
25. No Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk) will they hear therein, nor any sinful speech (like backbiting, etc.).
26. But only the saying of: Salâm!, Salâm! (greetings with peace)[] !
27. And those on the Right Hand, * Who will be those on the Right Hand?
28. (They will be) among thornless lote-trees,
29. Among Talh (banana-trees) with fruits piled one above another,
30. In shade long-extended,
31. By water flowing constantly,
32. And fruit in plenty,
33. Whose season is not limited, and their supply will not be cut off,
34. And on couches or thrones, raised high.
35. Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation.
36. And made them virgins.
37. Loving (their husbands only), equal in age.​

Chapter 56

We are in paradise for eternity...thats going to be utterly unbearable.Imagine living in a place where there is no hardship, no challenge, no anger, no future, no hope, no sleep, no change..for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever...without cease.

Who said there is no future? That doesn't even make sense! Are you telling me you enjoy anger?

And also, what do you mean by no change? Of course there is change! The only difference is that stuff always gets better, not worse.
 
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Ok. The last day has come and gone, everyone is either away in paradise or hell.

Now what?
My question's are.
1)Can we bear it?
We are in paradise for eternity...thats going to be utterly unbearable.Imagine living in a place where there is no hardship, no challenge, no anger, no future, no hope, no sleep, no change..for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever...without cease.
2) Whats the point?
God created us to pass his test so that we can live forever in bliss if we do his will. well here we are , his will has been done and he's pleased with us. Now what do we do. Whats our purpose, whats the point of anything. Are we in paradise to eternally praise him still, if so whats the point in that? It's like creating your own eternal-self cheering show. The whole of creation was made for us,just so that we could praise god and pass the test. Do we have any other use?
3) Might as well throw away reality now?
God has whipped up in 6 days a pretty infinate universe with Trillions of stars with Gigaparsecs of space. Lets say that he set up a few other planets as well with humans on it to pass his tests. The day has come and gone. Everything that he's created, is it all going to fizzle out now? It's of no use anymore.


OH COME ON!! will people these days PULEAAAASSSE GET A LIFE... first think, would you like to live in a eternal life and get WHATEVER you want, live HOWEVER you want, no more devil, no more war (u prolly gettin sad now aint u?) no more shootin, murders, kidnaps, robers, sickness, death, sadness, life is perfect, easy, beautiful, and if you don't get this....:grumbling

OR
Hell!!!!!:mad::thumbs_do:thumbs_do:thumbs_do, where you will burn for eternity, telling the angels to tell allah to let you out, begging for another chance! All you have to drink is boiling water which burns you when you drink it, and flames to eat, no sleep, being tortured until u nutin, then come back and do the same again...think...

please bring back that thing that used to be in between your ears and behind ur eyes...:cry:

:D:w:
 
OMG that was soo funny True muslim, you WILL get repped for that one ^__^ ahahahhah wahhahahaha h

Depends entirely on the way you live.

silly example but i'll use it, people who fall in love talk about eternity etc and they "mean it !" but the thing is, its due to that strong spark they get inside during those moments they are near to one another. So imagine this feeling but it never fades and only gets stronger and purer.

If you can understand that even slightly, then know heaven has unimaginable times stronger feelings and emotions, which always grow stronger.

Whats your thought now?!

That was GOOD, Its the exact answer I use when someone asks me the boredom in paradise question, these people are soo deluded Allah has not even allowed them to like Heaven, its like Allah wants to tell them in akhira :

"You did even like it, you said it was boring... Why do you want it now?"


subhanAllah
 
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So says the person who has no appreciation for nature.^o)
I love nature. One of my favorite TV shows is Planet Earth. I also like human history and the development of human art. I think all of these things are much more interesting than flowing streams.

The trees are made of gold and silver, the soil is made of musk, the rivers are of either water, milk, honey or wine, the pebbles of paradise are jewels.
What use are gold and silver in heaven? Milk, honey, and wine? This is really the most impressive imagery you can think of?

Again, it sounds like it might appeal to desert nomads unfamiliar with modern comforts or interests, but I doubt for a second that you'd take a river of milk and honey over a TV and a freezer full of ice cream.

Here is on of the descriptions of paradise from the Quran (please note, the Arabic is soo much better, the translation does no justice to it):

15. (They will be) on thrones woven with gold and precious stones,
16. Reclining thereon, face to face.
17. They will be served by immortal boys,
18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine,
19. Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.
20. And fruit; that they may choose.
21. And the flesh of fowls that they desire.
22. And (there will be) Houris (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious),
23. Like unto preserved pearls.​

Good food, booze, slaves, and lots of attractive girls?

That's heaven?

Also interesting that there are no attractive, fair-eyed husbands for the female heaven-dwellers.​
 
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yeah, hell sounds much more funner.

Heaven you cant drink, smoke, have sex with strangers, cuss, play pranks, listen to music, dance perhaps and manyother things.

Hell now hell sounds cool.

Great heating, BBQ every night, rock n roll and more.
he he he...

How ignorant... Firstly, yes, there is wine in Paradise, you don't need to have sex with strangers because you have wives, you don't need to swear because its stupid and disgusting, as is smoking (if you consider swearing and smoking to be fun than that a sad life you must lead), aand yes you can listen to music and you can dance in Paradise, amongst many other things.

As for hell, the only food you will have is boiling water, your own pus and a plant called zaqqum (which is pretty foul, I'll tell you that).
 
As for hell, the only food you will have is boiling water, your own pus and a plant called zaqqum (which is pretty foul, I'll tell you that).
Will we have a body?

Because, I gotta tell you, I can't really feel boiling water and pus or taste zaqqum without it.

Also curious as to whether you Muslims will be lucky enough to have a body in heaven, so you can enjoy your cold wine and attractive virgin wives.
 
What use are gold and silver in heaven? Milk, honey, and wine? This is really the most impressive imagery you can think of?

They stuff in Paradise only share their names with the stuff of earth, but they are far more superior.

Again, it sounds like it might appeal to desert nomads unfamiliar with modern comforts or interests, but I doubt for a second that you'd take a river of milk and honey over a TV and a freezer full of ice cream.

Yes, I would.

Good food, booze, slaves, and lots of attractive girls?
That's heaven?

No, its great food, non-intoxicating wine, servants, not slaves, and the women (specifically wives) are not simply attractive, but they are beautiful, more so than any human can imagine.

Also interesting that there are no attractive, fair-eyed husbands for the female heaven-dwellers.

There is. I don't know if they are 'fair-eyed' though.

Will we have a body?

Because, I gotta tell you, I can't really feel boiling water and pus or taste zaqqum without it.

Also curious as to whether you Muslims will be lucky enough to have a body in heaven, so you can enjoy your cold wine and attractive virgin wives.

Of course we have a body!

I'm sorry, but are you being silly on purpose?
 
Will we have a body?

Because, I gotta tell you, I can't really feel boiling water and pus or taste zaqqum without it.

Also curious as to whether you Muslims will be lucky enough to have a body in heaven, so you can enjoy your cold wine and attractive virgin wives.

Yes, Muslims will have physical bodies, becuase being human, is being physical and Spiritual at the same time, you see thats why humans are higher then any other creature created.

P.S STOP SAYING MUSLIM MEN ENJOYING VIRGINS,
its disrespectful the way you said it, Allah enjoins to souls and makes them ONE, a man and a woman, just like Allah created for Adam, Eve He created for every human, its soulmate, the word means not just virgins, but NO ONE has seen or heard your love EVER BEFORE... thats what it means.... either man or woman .....

If you truly ever loved someone you should know that you will have the tendencies to hide her/him away from anyone else,
 
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Who said there is no future? That doesn't even make sense! Are you telling me you enjoy anger?

And also, what do you mean by no change? Of course there is change! The only difference is that stuff always gets better, not worse.


wow nice malaikah, yes well you know the shaitan is the cause of anger, and shaitan doesnt leave ...them... plus what is a good life witout fighting, getting drunk and running some twin angels over wita car? all that stuff...:D
 
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