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^ Salams, I have just answered your question in the above post. If you do what Allah swt wants you to do, insha Allah your Iman will always be safe.

"O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth

^ lol im trying to do this part right now..
 
I don't understand why anyone would listen to Harun Yahya. If I'm not mistaken, Billal Phillips himself considered Harun Yahya to be a kafir.

Do you know the sin of calling another Muslim "kafir"? On the day of Judgement when Allah swt will ask you why you stated it, and if Allah decides that Br Harun Yahya is not a kafir, then according to prophetic hadiths, the sin of kufr may be passed on to you, i.e. you are simply transfering all your good deeds to others, if you gossip, backbite, slander or declare takfir by calling other Muslims, 'kafirs'.

If you did not know, then pelase reflect on this and refrain.

Narrated Abu Dhar:

That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 71: Sahih Bukhari


It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: When a man calls his brother an unbeliever, it returns (at least) to one of them.

Book 001, Number 0116: Sahih Muslim


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Assalamu Alaikum

theres so many rumours about harun yahya.


can you record the broadcast and put it up for downloading? i really want to hear his name get cleared, such as the rumours that he doesnt make his own documentary and his got a whole crew working for him, and his just a name?face/alias for an organisation etc etc and that most of his information is wrong or biased

soooo many allegations, i would like to speak to him myself to be honest...

Salaams brother

Here is an interview with Al Jazeera from his website

http://www.harunyahya.com/new_releases/news/070806_interview_aljazeeratv.php


Let me know what you think!
 
^ jazakIllah khair very interested in it

will view it after isha inshAllah
 


i was open minded till i arrived at this point:

Adnan Oktar (Harun Yahya): I do not defend Bin Laden, of course. I do not accept his position as he has launched his movement as an act of terror. Cultural supremacy, intellectual supremacy, will soon lead the world to accept Islam. In other words, there is no reason to attempt to do this with the help of weapons. You can easily achieve this goal by intellectual means.


Which completely opposes shariah law aswell as the way of our beloved (sallallahi alaihi wasallaam). He is clearly an apologetic and for that i will avoid taking any knowledge from him as it might have traces of misguidance within it.

You reason of course, you be gentle as much as you can ! but you also spread islam for EVERY SINGLE WAY other then islam CAUSES OPPRESSION !
Muhammad sallallahi alaihi wasallaam invited to the way of Allaah but he also took up the sword to lift oppression from the world and subdue it to islam so that the world may see peace. This can be seen by his maaaaany battles and not only his but also by his companions after him.

Tell me, would people be able to say that a man half way across the world fears committing a crime in this day and age? yet during the time of Umar radhiallahu anhu that was the case and its ONLY due to the justice and peace spread by islam and the shariah law.


Alhamdulillaah may we see such a time again, AMEEN


Assalamu Alaikum
 
^ Salams,

It is not only the question about 'gentleness' Islam teaches us to use with one another but also using the aql and ilm and not our egos, or falling into sin due to our anger or over-reactions. Muslims are not permitted to backbite, slander or pronounce taqfir for trivial reasons without clear evidence that is in the Quran and that is what I have posted. Whether or not you want to accept the verses of Allah is entirely up to you.

Which completely opposes shariah law aswell as the way of our beloved (sallallahi alaihi wasallaam).

That is not true, Harun Yahya is not against Allah or the Messenger (or Islamic laws through ijtihad). Read his books and visit his site. You are simply making baseless assumptions about another Muslim which IS against Islam.

He is clearly an apologetic

That is your impression, but he is not at all an apologetic at all and has tackled various defamatory accusations which were libelous.

It seems you have not listened to his interviews or read any of his books online, but just passing negative judgments through your negative reactions.

He is only a Muslim brother doing work for the sake of Allah, he is entitled to his opinions about his understanding of jihad, as any other Muslim is.

The Alleged Fatwa of Osama Bin Ladin

Jamal Badawi on Jihad:

Jihad a Call to Humanity – Dr Jamal Badawi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MONxuJb3mAQ

Overview of Jihaad/Jihad - Al Mawrid

Directives of Islam Regarding Jihad/Jihaad - http://www.al-mawrid.org/pages/research.php Al Mawrid
 
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^ so you think its permissable to live amongst a world ruled by oppressive disbelievers and never take up the sword to spread islam and with it peace?


you think to DENOUNCE the above is good and permissable?
 
^ i quoted what i read upto and i watched a lot of his documentaries and appreciated them.


forgive me if i offend you but i sincerely cannot take from someone who thinks they can peacefully co-exist with the west and beat them "intelectually".
 
^ Salams,

i sincerely cannot take from someone who thinks they can peacefully co-exist...
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That was the way of the prophet (pbuh) and yes agreed, he wasn't an absolute pacifist, but neither was he a terrorist - terrorism is antithetical to Islam and has nothing to do with the concept of jihad, even when fighting against oppression and persecution was prescribed to the prophet there was no terrorism or vigilantism. That is what is Harun Yahya and many Muslim scholars are saying.

"Muslims believe in the authority of government. Imam Malik, an early Islamic legal authority, said that 60 years of oppression under an unjust ruler is better than one hour of anarchy." (Hamza Yusuf)

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism/AmericanMuslimScholarDeclares.aspx

...Each time they kindle the fire of war, God extinguishes it. They rush about the earth corrupting it. God does not love corrupters. (Qur’an, 5:64)

But if they cease (fighting), God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur’an, 2:192)

"And thus We have made of you an ummah, well balanced, that you may be witness over humanity, and the Prophet a witness over yourselves" (Qur'an, 2:143).

http://www.mediamonitors.net/harunyahya32.html

In hadith literature we find ahadith which prohibit Muslims from seeking revenge. Thus in Sahih al-Bukhari we find hadith of Miqdad ibn Amr al-Kindi. Amr al-Kindi asked the Holy Prophet (PBUH) "Suppose I met one of the infidels and we fought. He struck one of my hands with his sword, cut it off and then took refuge in a tree and said, 'I surrender to Allah'. Could I kill him, O Messenger of Allah, after he had said this?' Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "you should not kill him' Al-Miqdad said, "O Allah's Messenger, but he had cut off my hands, and then he had uttered those words.' Allah's Messenger (PBUH) replied, "You should not kill him, and you would be in his position where he had been before uttering these words.'

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/news/176/64/The-real-meanings-of-Jihad/d,pdb_detail_article/
 
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:sl: Sister Sameera

Did you gt a chance to read the link for the interview?

What did you think of it?

Do you agree with his beliefs about the world being an illusion and Allah being everywhere?

I find it strange that in the interview he states that there is a hadith in which the Prophet peace be upon him said it is better for men not to marry, in the end of times yet he was unable to quote the source of this hadith?

Correct me if im wrong but from his inteview I got the impression that he was saying that he only practices the fardhs (obligatory acts) of islam and not the Sunnah so that he can fit into society inorder to be accepted by them so that he can give Dawah?
 
Salams Muslimah

May I know what is you intention for asking?

Are you here for a debate or to gain more knowledge from me. Are you the moderator? Or is your question related to just wanting to know my views?

Do you honestly think Allah swt is far away from us? That He is distant? That He is never near us?

Do you think the world is so real that we are going to remain here forever and the hereafter is not important? Do you think there is nothing that will delude us here, not even shaytan or our nafs for loving wealth and this duniya?

Have you read the complete volume of Sahih Bukhari and Muslim on the issue of marriage?

Do you know of other shcolars views including those in saudi and what they say when it is inappropriate to marry? I agree there are hadiths to sayt men should marry prolific women and should have children which is natural and Islamic, but do you know about other hadiths and fatwas about the conditions for marrying or not marrying - have you never come across them?

If you wish to discuss with me please bring the quotes in full with references.
 
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Salams Muslimah

May I know what is you intention for asking?

Are you here for a debate or to gain more knowledge from me and may I ask why you picked me and my name in red? Are you the moderator? Or is your question related to just wanting to know my views?

Do you honestly think Allah swt is far away from us? That He is distant? That He is never near us?

Do you think the world is so real that we are going to remain here forever and the hereafter is not important? Do you think there is nothing that will delude us here, not even shaytan or our nafs for loving wealth and this duniya?

Have you read the complete volume of Sahih Bukhari and Muslim on the issue of marriage?

Do you know of other shcolars views including those in saudi and what they say when it is inappropriate to marry? I agree there are hadiths to sayt men should marry prolific women and should have children which is natural and Islamic, but do you know about other hadiths and fatwas about the conditions for marrying or not marrying - have you never come across them?

If you wish to discuss with me please bring the quotes in full with references.

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Sister there is no need to get so defensive. I was simply asking your opinion.

I asked you because of your statement below in the following thread.

"I totally agree with you, we find his books are excellent masha Allah."

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic...7-books-written-harun-yahiya.html#post1248425

No I do not think that the world is so real that we are going to remain here forever and the hereafter is not important however I do not believe that this world is an illusion due to the fact that everything is moving at the molecular level.

In regards to the hadith, I do not claim to be a scholar, nor have a studied any of the hadith books mentioned above intensively. However the satement made by Harun Yahya in the interview does not relate to the conditions of marrying or not marrying. My point was that he was unable to quote the hadith so for all I know he is just giving his own rulings.

Adnan Oktar: My [spiritual] teacher Said Nursi never married, either. And he commanded those who fought alongside him his special followers, not to marry, either. I see myself as a loyal follower of Said Nursi. In accordance with this advice, I have never married. Of course, I need a lot of time to devote to my struggle and to set aside a lot of time to it. Because I devote myself to communicating my faith, to writing books, to pursuing my struggle, from morning till evening. In other words, I would be unlikely to have any time left to devote to my wife and children, to spend with my family.

Al Jazeera: Sir, the majority of our viewers are either married or want to get married. Do you reject the idea of marriage? Do you reject marriage as a matter of principle?

Adnan Oktar: No, no. It is because I don't have time left over from my struggle to communicate Islam. If Islam had already been victorious, in other words, if Islamic morality had already enveloped the world, if this oppression, this torture of Muslims had come to an end, then I would have got married straightaway.

Al Jazeera: But Islam encourages marriage.

Adnan Oktar: But there are number of hadith which indicate that it is virtuous not to get married in the End Times.

Al Jazeera: For example?

Adnan Oktar: There is a hadith which states that anyone who is unmarried in the End Times is a good [virtuous] man.

Al Jazeera: Where did you read such a hadith?

Adnan Oktar: Right now I do not recall the source, but I can give you the reference later. We can also find this [reference] in the works of Said Nursi. You will be able to find it on the Internet if you look the term up in the Risale-i Nur Collection of Said Nursi.

Sister Sameera if you wish I can post some hadith on the virtues of marriage.

And I disagree with his attitude towards following the sunnah


Al Jazeera: What are the duties in the Sunnah that you cannot practice? Which are not fardh?

Adnan Oktar: As you can see [from looking at me], quite a few things pertaining to the Sunnah are lacking.

Al Jazeera: Do you do that on purpose?

Adnan Oktar: Of course.

Al Jazeera: Why?

Adnan Oktar: To display an attitude which is compatible with the people around is the most reasonable way to give a religious message. This is the most rational method of being able to establish contact with the people around me.



And these are some of the reasons why I will refrain from reading his books.
 
:sl: Here are some hadith I have come across that contradict Harun Yahya's statement. If you know of any hadith that say it is better not to marry in the End of times then please let me know as it will increase me in knowledge.

Jazakhallah

1- The Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

`O young people! Whoever among you can support a wife should marry, for that is more modest for the gaze and safer for your private parts.'

( Marriage quote from Sahih Muslim, Sahih Bukhari)



2- Marriage quotation narrated by Anas bin Malik:

“A group of three men came to the houses of the wives of the Prophet asking how the Prophet worshipped (Allah), and when they were informed about that, they considered their worship insufficient and said, "Where are we from the Prophet as his past and future sins have been forgiven." Then one of them said, "I will offer the prayer throughout the night forever." The other said, "I will fast throughout the year and will not break my fast." The third said, "I will keep away from the women and will not marry forever." Allah's Apostle came to them and said, "Are you the same people who said so-and-so? By Allah, I am more submissive to Allah and more afraid of Him than you; yet I fast and break my fast, I do sleep and I also marry women. So he who does not follow my tradition in religion, is not from me (not one of my followers)."


( Marriage quote from Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

3- The Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"When a man marries, he has fulfilled half of his religion, so let him fear Allah regarding the remaining half."

( Marriage quotation from Bayhqi)

4- The Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"A man marries a woman for four reasons: for her property, for her rank, for her beauty, and for her religion (and character). So marry the one who is best in the religion and character and prosper".

( Marriage quotation from Bukhari and Muslim)

5- The Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

“Nikah (marriage) is my Sunna. He who shuns my Sunna is not of me.”

( Marriage quotation from Muslim)
 
Sister Muslimah,

Salams

Jazak Allahkhair for your response, but you haven't answered all my questions and what you state doesn't make sense at all in relation to the alleged Harun Yahya's comments, in fact your answers show your own lack of understanding, by picking on faults in him that are non-existent and which are in contradiction to your own accusations.

We are all guilty of failings sister but it doesn't mean slandering the brother.

If he doesn't want to get married it doesn't mean he is telling everyone not to get married because of the end times. If he wants to work for the sake of Allah and feels it's more important than getting married, it doesn't mean he is commiting a huge sin or there is a need to be suspicious of his iman, or a reason for you not to read his Islamic books or not gain knowledge, nor does it imply that there are not other valid reasons for him not marrying which he may not wish disclose to the general public, perhaps he's divorced, it is between him and Allah and it is none of our business.

There hundreds of scholars and imams and sahabas who may have commited sins far worse than he may have, yet we accept their word, even hadiths about the prophet narrated by them, - the same people who have previously killed their own children or commited fornication, tribal revenge and murders, idolatory, before accepting Islam. Yet we never question their authority and their memorization of the Quran has been passed down generations to generations throughout time, to the present day.

May Allah swt grant you wisdom

There is no compulsion in Islam.. (2:256)

And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere.. (8:46)

O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. (49:11)

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy. (49:10)


Wasalam
 
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:sl: Sister

Thank you for your reply.

Please let me know which other questions I have not answered?

In regards to your comment about the "alleged comments"
Please read the link that I sent which has the interview. The link will take you to Harun Yahya's website.

I doubt he would have published the interview on his website if it had been changed.

I agree that we are all guilty of failings and trust me I am not claiming that I am a better muslim then him or anyone else. I have not slandered Harun Yahya. Sister be careful because accusing me of slander when I havent slandered anyone is a slander in it self.

At no point have i said NOONE should read Harun Yahya's books. At no point have I accused him of anything. I posted a link to an interview and I commented on the interview and gave my opinion.

I quoted what he said in the interview.
Your right if he doesnt want to get married then that is his choice and I have no problem with that.
However he is claiming that there is a hadith that says it is more virtuous not to get married in the end of times. Please see below.

Adnan Oktar: But there are number of hadith which indicate that it is virtuous not to get married in the End Times.

This statement contradicts the strong hadiths that I posted before. And he could not even quote the source of the hadith.
This and the many other things that have been discussed in this thread lead me to question his credibility and as I read to obtain knowledge I rather obtain my knowledge from more credible sources. And this is my personal preference.

May Allah grant us all wisdom :statisfie

Wasalaam
 
Salams,

Harun Yahya, masha' Allah, is striving to do his best to educate the Muslim world of the dangers of misconstrued conjectures that are assailing us by those who wish to control us and world power, for a one world government. It is a pity that often we see many Muslims ridiculing and searching for his faults instead of appreciating his wisdom and the efforts he's made for the sake of Allah.

Even though we read in the Quran time and time again about suspicion, backbiting, slandering, mocking, derision etc as the disease inside our hearts we continue on to justify our egos and our pride. There is a saying of the prophet that 'if a man has one atom of pride he will not enter paradise' yet I see within our communities countless Muslims who will not think twice about this statement. The same people will criticize others for not giving references to quotations from hadiths yet fail to do read the hadiths themselves with their references. They do not consider how many times Harun Yahya has provided countless verses of the Quran far more than hadiths in each of his books not missing one full reference, because such people do not consider the Quran, which is the word of Allah as more important than their own egos.

Often those who find faults with others do not look upon themselves for their own faults and errors. The ones who have little humility will find any little excuse to bring their brother and sisters down, even though the Prophet in his last sermon told us no one is better than anyone except in piety. No one can judge a persons piety except Allah swt himself. There is narration by one of the Prophet's dearest companions, Umar ibn al Khattab who asked Muslims to take account of themselves before being taken into account. I am sure many of you have heard this hadith and it will be easy to find, but for benefit of those who are remiss about making any effort to do some research, I will give the full quotation here:

As Umar (Radiallahu anhu) said : "Bring yourself to account before you are brought to account. And weigh your deeds before your deeds are weighed."

Igathat al-lahfan by Imam Ibnul Qayyim al-Jawziyyah (rahimahullaah)]

'Umar ibn al-Khattab (radiallaahu 'anhu) said

Hasibu anfusakum Qabla antuhasabu "Bring yourself to account before you are taken to account." And 'Umar added: Wazinu anfusakum Qabla antuzanu "Weigh your deeds before your deeds are weighed."

"No one who has even an atom's-weight of pride in his heart will enter Paradise." A man asked him, "What if he likes his clothes and shoes to look good?" (Meaning, is this counted as pride?) The Prophet (saas) said: "Allah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on other people."

And those of you endowed with wisdom can see the truth for yourselves.

http://www.harunyahya.com/paradise02.php

Wasalam
 
:sl: Sister Sameera,

I mean this in the nicest possible way :)

Believe me, if someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion to you, it does not mean that they are slandering, backbiting, mocking, or finding fault with others.

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Salams.

Incorrect, as that would mean anyone could backbite, slander, mock, ridicule and still call it a 'disgreement.'

We can only take the defintions of such terms as Allah and his prophet pbuh have instructed us, not through our own whims. It's the secular education system which we have been put through which has no regard of Islamic ethics.

See Ethics of Disagreement in Islam

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When a person dislikes someone, he is likely to find faults in his appearance, behavior, lineage, and anything else which pertains to him. `A’ishah narrated that she said to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), 'Do you see that Safiyyah (another wife of the Prophet) is such and such?', meaning that she was short. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, 'You have spoken a word such that, if it were mixed in the water of the ocean, it would darken it.' (Reported by Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, and Al-Bayhaqi)


The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to drive home the meaning of backbiting to his Companions through questions and answers. He asked them, 'Do you know what backbiting is?' They replied, 'Allah and His Messenger know best'. He said, 'It is saying something about your brother which he would dislike'. Someone asked, 'What if I say something about my brother which is true?' The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, 'If what you say of him is true, it is backbiting and if it is not true you have slandered him.' (Reported by Muslim, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa’i)


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543138

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