Sat 31st October - Harun Yahya LIVE on UmmahRAdio

[Insaanah]

Sister, please calm down.

No one has slandered here. People have seen things that they have seen or heard him say, that perhaps are not in accordance with the sunnah of the prophet. That is not slander. If he has not said those things, and they said that he had, that would make it slander.

Allah knows best.

 

[Ali_slave of Allah]

to believe that Allaah is everywhere by his bieng is kufr akbar because this is kufr to the ayah where Allaah says " Ar Rahmaan rose over the throne" and the ayah " do you feel secure from the one who is over the heavens ..." surah al mulk.

 

[Sameera]

Adnan Oktar: But there are number of hadith which indicate that it is virtuous not to get married in the End Times. ..This statement contradicts the strong hadiths that I posted before.

That is your misunderstanding. Marriage is not fard, it's sunnah. There are a number of hadiths stipulating the conditions of marriage and if they are not satisfied then many scholars have agreed that one should refrain from marriage until such a time when the conditions are met. If at the end of times, Muslims are not fulfilling the conditions of marriage, have too many materialist desires, are having extra marital affairs, divorces, arguments and leading unhappy or un-islamic and unfulfilled lives devoid of God-conciousness then of course, yes Harun Yahya is right in saying that it is more virtuous not to get married. I myself have read hadiths in the past about the virtuousness of those who do not get married because they couldn't find a suitable Muslim partner and so they remain chaste for the sake of Allah. There is no harm in that if that is good for someone's iman. Many divorced Muslims who have only been with their partner for a couple of days or separated for years without hardly any contact, have never re-married, some are still virgins. They are not in sin because of their fate.

However Harun Yahya is not against any Muslim not marrying as you have accused him. Here is the evidence, is in his indepth article on Marriage where he clearly states the Quran verse on marriage and he believes in it:

People find peace and happiness in this marriage. The relevant verse follows:
And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (Surat ar-Rum: 21)

http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/15543/MARRIAGE

 

[Sameera]

...to believe that Allah is everywhere by his bieng is kufr akbar because this is kufr to the ayah where Allaah says " Ar Rahmaan rose over the throne" and the ayah " do you feel secure from the one who is over the heavens ..." surah al mulk.

Salams,

Harun Yahya IS a Muslim. Every Muslim knows Allah swt is everywhere, this doesn't mean that He is "everything" as He is Al Khaliq - The Creator of the Universe.

Allah swt Himself says in the noble Quran that He is Near and that is one of his attributes "Al Qarib"

Say: “If I am misguided, it is only to my detriment. But if I am guided, it is by what my Lord reveals to me. He is All-Hearing, Close-at-hand.” (Surah Saba, 34:50)

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein, [50:16]

Or are you saying that Allah swt is in a remote place? Distant from us? Then you are going against the Quran.

Here is more evidence from the Quran:

If My servants ask you about Me, I am near . I answer the call of the caller when he calls upon Me. They should therefore respond to Me and believe in Me, so that hopefully they will be rightly guided. (Surat al-Baqara, 2:186)

Allah's Saying: "I am very near to My Servant" is also in a hadith

[Sahih Muslim : Book 35 Kitab Al-Dhikr, Number 6471]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, thus stated: I am near to the thought of My servant as he thinks about Me, and I am with him as he remembers Me. And if he remembers Me in his heart, I also remember him in My Heart, and if he remembers Me in assembly I remember him in assembly, better than his (remembrance) , and if he draws near Me by the span of a palm, I draw near him by the cubit, and if he draws near Me by the cubit I draw near him by the space (covered by) two hands. And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him.

http://www.123muslim.com/hadith/6830-allahs-saying-i-am-very-near-my-servant.html

This is going way too far in slandering and it is unislamic to pronounce takfir on someone who not only believes in Allah swt but has produced countless books with many quotations of the Quran. It seems some people are bent of pressing the reply button without thinking what they are saying.

READ:

Backbiting & Slander - an Islamic perspective

Prohibition of Takfir

Please study Islam in depth and improve the level of iman instead of slandering others.

Wasalam

 

[muslimah_81]

That is your misunderstanding. Marriage is not fard, it's sunnah. There are a number of hadiths stipulating the conditions of marriage and if they are not satisfied then many scholars have agreed that one should refrain from marriage until such a time when the conditions are met. If at the end of times, Muslims are not fulfilling the conditions of marriage, have too many materialist desires, are having extra marital affairs, divorces, arguments and leading unhappy or un-islamic and unfulfilled lives devoid of God-conciousness then of course, yes Harun Yahya is right in saying that it is more virtuous not to get married. I myself have read hadiths in the past about the virtuousness of those who do not get married because they couldn't find a suitable Muslim partner and so they remain chaste for the sake of Allah. There is no harm in that if that is good for someone's iman. Many divorced Muslims who have only been with their partner for a couple of days or separated for years without hardly any contact, have never re-married, some are still virgins. They are not in sin because of their fate.

However Harun Yahya is not against any Muslim not marrying as you have accused him. Here is the evidence, is in his indepth article on Marriage where he clearly states the Quran verse on marriage and he believes in it:

People find peace and happiness in this marriage. The relevant verse follows:
And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (Surat ar-Rum: 21)

http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/15543/MARRIAGE

Sister

As I mentioned earlier can you please let me know which hadith says a person is more virtuous if he does not get married at the end of times so that I can increase in knowledge?

I am not saying this out of pride or ego as you seem to be accusing me off in your last few posts. I would really like to know.

You still havent answered my question regarding Harun Yahya's claims that Allah is everywhere and that this world is an illusion (not metaphorically but literally). Do you agree with this?

Have you read the interview?

Correct me if im wrong but from his interview I got the impression that he was saying that he only practices the fardhs (obligatory acts) of islam and not the Sunnah so that he can fit into society inorder to be accepted by them so that he can give Dawah? Do you agree with this attitude?

It seems that everytime you dont have an answer to a question you get defensive and start accusing me of slandering, backbiting and mocking.
Can you please let me know where in my posts I accused Harun Yahya of being against ANYONE marrying so that I can correct myself?

As far as I recall I remember saying that I have no problem with him not getting married. That is his choice. I did not accuse him of commiting a sin by not getting married. At no point have I said that marriage is fardh.

Please do not accuse me of saying things I have not said.

Please read my posts again carefully to avoid misunderstanding.

Wasalaam

 

[muslimah_81]

Salams,

Harun Yahya IS a Muslim. Every Muslim knows Allah swt is everywhere, this doesn't mean that He is "everything" as He is Al Khaliq - The Creator of the Universe.

Allah swt Himself says in the noble Quran that He is Near and that is one of his attributes "Al Qarib"

Say: “If I am misguided, it is only to my detriment. But if I am guided, it is by what my Lord reveals to me. He is All-Hearing, Close-at-hand.” (Surah Saba, 34:50)

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein, [50:16]

Or are you saying that Allah swt is in a remote place? Distant from us? Then you are going against the Quran.

Here is more evidence from the Quran:

If My servants ask you about Me, I am near . I answer the call of the caller when he calls upon Me. They should therefore respond to Me and believe in Me, so that hopefully they will be rightly guided. (Surat al-Baqara, 2:186)

Allah's Saying: "I am very near to My Servant" is also in a hadith

[Sahih Muslim : Book 35 Kitab Al-Dhikr, Number 6471]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, thus stated: I am near to the thought of My servant as he thinks about Me, and I am with him as he remembers Me. And if he remembers Me in his heart, I also remember him in My Heart, and if he remembers Me in assembly I remember him in assembly, better than his (remembrance) , and if he draws near Me by the span of a palm, I draw near him by the cubit, and if he draws near Me by the cubit I draw near him by the space (covered by) two hands. And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him.

http://www.123muslim.com/hadith/6830-allahs-saying-i-am-very-near-my-servant.html

This is going way too far in slandering and it is unislamic to pronounce takfir on someone who not only believes in Allah swt but has produced countless books with many quotations of the Quran. It seems some people are bent of pressing the reply button without thinking what they are saying.

READ:

Backbiting & Slander - an Islamic perspective

Prohibition of Takfir

Please study Islam in depth and improve the level of iman instead of slandering others.

Wasalam

Salaams Sister

There are many verses in the Quran and hadith that prove Allah is above the heavens.

In regards to Allah being everywhere, please see this article below.

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/whereallah.htm


Wasalaam

 

[Sameera]

Salams,

Where does Harun Yahya state that he denies the Quran verse of the Throne?

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein, Quran 50:16

The above verse and also the ones in the earlier post are also taken from the Quran and are far above other people's contradicting opinions on their websites.

The WHOLE of the Quran is from Allah, we have to believe in ALL of it.

Ws

 

[muslimah_81]

Sister

Harun Yahya states that Allah is everywhere and you agreed with this and that is why I pasted that link. I did not say that he denies the verses of the quran.

Please stop accusing me of saying things I have not said because it is becoming quite tiresome having to correct you time and time again.
It makes me wonder, are you even reading my replies?

The verses below are from the quran and they clearly state that Allah is above the heavens.

"And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[3:55]

"To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds lift them."[35:10]

"From Allah, the Lord of the Places of Ascent, the angels and the Ruh (Gabriel) ascend to Him in a day the measure whereof is of fifty thousand years."[70:3-4]

And there are many other verses of similar nature but the above should suffice in making the point. Among the explicit verses, there are several other verses that mention clearly that their Lord is above them

"And He is the Subduer, above His slaves, and He is the All-Wise, Well Acquainted with all things."[6:18]

And even more clearer:

"Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]

And please see this hadith.

"I had a slave-girl who used to herd sheep for me. One day I discovered that a wolf had killed one of her sheep, and I'm a man from the children of Adam, I get upset like they get upset, and I slapped her in the face. Then I went to the Prophet who impressed upon me the seriousness of my act. I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, should I not set her free?' He said, 'Bring her to me.' He asked her, 'Where is Allah', She said, 'He is above the heavens.' He said, 'Who am I?' She said, 'You are the Messenger of Allah.' He said, 'Free her, for she is a believer.' (Muslim and Abu Dawud)

Here you see that The Prophet peace be upon him asked the slave girl 2 questions to confirm that she is a believer. the first question was Where is Allah? And her reply was He is above the heavens. Her reply was not He is everywhere. This answer along with her 2nd answer confirmed that she is a believer so you can see the importance of believeing that Allah is above the heavens.

You know what sister, the tone of your emails comes across as very condescending and arrogant.

You should atleast try reading the link that I pasted. You cannot simply call it "contradicting opinions on their websites" without even having read the link.


May Allah guide us both.

Wasalaam

 

[Sameera]

Salams,

Sister this is digressing. It is clear what you and others have accused him of.

In all humilty you and others have entered the thread against my advice about not slandering the brother. I have responded already that I totally agree with Harun Yahya and that is why I asked you what are your intentions for you interrogating me as I did not come here for a debate or a dispute with you.

I have responded with evidence from the Quran verses that Allah is Near, (al Qareeb) and I believe as a Muslim that Allah is everywhere, He is not in a remote place, distant, out of touch with us nor is He in everything. He is the Creator, not the 'created' He is the Absolute we can never imagine Him. (See Quran Chapeter 112)

Allah swt says in the Quran: 8:46

And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient.

Therefore I think we should end this futile arguing about finding faults in this brother, because it is only leading to Sin.

Wasalam

 

[Insaanah]

Sister,

Sister this is digressing. It is clear what you and others have accused him of.

In all humilty you and others have entered the thread against my advice about not slandering the brother.

Now, I've never had to reply to anyone like this before, and I will now probably be accused of slander too, amongst other things, ...but here goes:

I told you, nobody* has slandered the brother. Read my earlier post. If they had made up what he had said that would be slander. But they did not. They stated what he himself had said, and gave reasons for why it did not appear to match the sunnah of the prophet sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam.

I have responded already that I totally agree with Harun Yahya and that is why I asked you what are your intentions for you interrogating me as I did not come here for a debate or a dispute with you.

You may agree with him, but someone else may not agree. Why is that such a huge problem for you? You are not the only one entitled to express a view, and while I respect your view, the tone of your replies is that everybody else is wrong, and you are right, and that everyone else slanders, backbites, picks faults and has huge egos.

I believe as a Muslim that Allah is everywhere, He is not in a remote place, distant, out of touch with us nor is He in everything.

You appear to have contradicted yourself. He's either everywhere, or not. Allah can be above the heavens, but that does not mean that He, Glory be to Him, is out of touch. He is the All Hearing, All-Seeing, All Knowing. It is only man that has to physically be present somewhere to see, or hear, due to the limitations we have. Allah, Glory be to Him, does not have such limitations.

And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient.

Exactly. You may not realise it but the tone of some of your replies, attacking the replies of others comes across as exactly that.

I suggest that you please calm down and debate in a calm and rational manner. I don't think you realise that this thread is now no longer becoming very pleasant.

I mean this as sincere advice from a sister, to a sister, and nothing more. Please do not take this as a personal attack, as it is not meant to be that. I am rather highlighting to you things that you may not realise.

Jazaakallah khair.

In the spirit of hoping for calm and rational debates.



EDIT: *(I'm talking sis Muslimah_81 and Bro Ibn Abdul Hakim). By the way, I have nothing to do with either of them, am not related to them and don't know them, so I am not trying to defend anyone here.

 

[muslimah_81]

Sister

Once again....I have not slandered Harun Yahya. I simply do not share the same opinion as him, this does not make it a slander. So please please please stop accusing me of slander

Please read the following tafseer by Ibn Kathir regarding the verse

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein, Quran 50:16

And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein means, His angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explained `We' in the Ayah to mean `Our knowledge,' have done so to avoid falling into the idea of incarnation or indwelling; but these two creeds are false according to the consensus of Muslims. Allah is praised and glorified, He is far hallowed beyond what they ascribe to Him. The words of this Ayah do not need this explanation (that `We' refers to `Allah's knowledge'), for Allah did not say, `and I am closer to him than his jugular vein.' Rather, He said,
"And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein" just as He said in the case of dying persons

(But We are nearer to him than you, but you see not.) (56:85), in reference to His angels (who take the souls). Allah the Exalted the Blessed said,

(Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it.) (15:9) Therefore, the angels brought down the revelation, the Qur'an, by the leave of Allah, the Exalted, the Most Honored. Thus, the angels are closer to man than his own jugular vein, by the power and leave of Allah. Consequently, the angel touches mankind, just as the devil touches them, for the devil is as close to them as the blood that runs in their veins; just as Allah's Prophet , who is truthful and was told the truth, told us. Allah's statement here,

((Remember) that the two receivers receive,) in reference to the two angels who receive and record the deeds of mankind.

(one sitting on the right and one on the left.) means ready to note,

(whatever he utters), in reference to the human,

(of a word), means any word that he or she speaks,

(but there is a watcher by him ready.) means, but there is a scribe whose job is to record it, leaving no word or movement unrecorded. Allah the Exalted said,

(But verily, over you (are appointed angels) to watch you, Kiraman (honorable) Katibin writing down (your deeds), they know all that you do.) (82:10-12) Therefore, the scribe records every word that is spoken, according to the explanation of Al-Hasan and Qatadah. This is also the apparent meaning of this Ayah. Imam Ahmad recorded that Bilal bin Al-Harith Al-Muzani said, "The Messenger of Allah said,


(Verily, a man might utter a word that pleases Allah the Exalted, unaware of how highly it will be regarded, and on its account Allah the Exalted and Most Honored decrees His pleasure of him until the Day he meets Him. A man might indeed utter a word that angers Allah the Exalted, unaware of how dreadful it will be and on its account Allah the Exalted decrees for him His anger until the Day he meets Him.)'' `Alqamah used to say, "How many words did I not utter because of the Hadith that Bilal bin Al-Harith narrated.'' At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah collected this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Sahih.'' There is a Hadith similar to this in the Sahih.

Sister Allah is above the heavens.

The verses you mentioned point to the fact that Allah is everywhere by His Knowledge, His seeing, His hearing and His power.

If you read the link then you will see that the author makes a point. If you believe Allah is EVERYWHERE then you also believe Allah is in places like rubbish dumps and rest rooms? Sister this does not befit the Majesty of Allah. He is far removed from this.

Sister Insane Insaan explains it brilliantly.

It is only man that has to physically be present somewhere to see, or hear, due to the limitations we have. Allah, Glory be to Him, does not have such limitations.


I hope this information helps. Sister I had no intention of arguing/disputing with you, I just wanted to know your opinion (as I did with brother IbnAbdulHakim) but then you started accusing me of slander.

Once again, I read to obtain knowledge and as I do not agree with some of the information in Harun Yahya's books, or some of his opinions or some of his ways, I will refrain from reading his books.

This is my preference.
Other people may choose to read his books and that is their own choice.

Plase forgive me if I have offended you as this was not my intention.

Lets just agree to disagree shall we? :statisfie

Wasalaam

 

[Sameera]

Sister Sameera

Did you gt a chance to read the link for the interview?

What did you think of it?

Do you agree with his beliefs about the world being an illusion and Allah being everywhere?

I find it strange that in the interview he states that there is a hadith in which the Prophet peace be upon him said it is better for men not to marry, in the end of times yet he was unable to quote the source of this hadith?

Correct me if im wrong but from his inteview I got the impression that he was saying that he only practices the fardhs (obligatory acts) of islam and not the Sunnah so that he can fit into society inorder to be accepted by them so that he can give Dawah?

This is called spreading suspicion and slandering

 

[Sameera]

to believe that Allaah is everywhere by his bieng is kufr akbar because this is kufr to the ayah[/b] where Allaah says " Ar Rahmaan rose over the throne" and the ayah " do you feel secure from the one who is over the heavens ..." surah al mulk.

This is another example of pronouncing TAQFIR, calling Harun Yahya, a Muslim author, who teaches Islam and the Quran, a 'Kafir', which is a slander and a HUGE sin.

Haven't any of you read or pondered on other verses in the Quran?

Al Quran: 2:115

To Allah belong the East and the West; whithersoever ye turn there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is All-Pervading All-Knowing.

There it is right in front of you -straight from Allah swt Himself.

So it is not 'Kufr Akbar' to believe that the presence of Allah is everywhere, as it is in the Quran itself.

For those of you who have contradictions read: Where is Allah?

Wasalam

 

[Sameera]

Sister Muslimah. This is totally incorrect and you wrong by adding something in the verse of the Quran which is not there.

And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein means, His angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explained `We' in the Ayah to mean `Our knowledge,'

Revelation through Whose Knowledge? Your suggestion of "Our Knowledge" for angels being present as "part authors" with Allah swt, during the revelation of this verse, is bordering on shirk!

It is ALLAH swt who revealed the Quran to Muhammad, (pbuh) through Angel Gibrael, NOT the other way around.

WE or 'NAHNU', in the Quran Is ALLAH, HIMSELF, and the word 'WE' in the Quran WILL ALWAYS BE REFFERED TO ALLAH SWT.

Go to any decent scholar and ask.

Allah, the Glorified and Exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning):

These words, inna "Verily We" and nahnu "We", and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have decided…" etc. This is known in English as "The Royal We."


http://www.islamic-shield.com/2007/12/why-does-allah-swt-refer-to-himself-as.html

http://www.islaam.net/display/display.php?id=569&category=2

http://www.askmuslims.com/2008/07/why-does-allah-swt-refer-to-himself-as.html

 

[Sameera]

Moderators, the level of ignorance in this forum is astounding!

I am sorry but I am no longer going to be available as too much time has been spent on this thread because of constant attacks.

It is a great pity that instead of moderating, fitna, ghiba and ignorance are permitted to prevail.

Ws

 

[Insaanah]

Assalaamu alaikum my dear sis,

Please do read this, even if you don't want to reply.

This is regarding the belief that Allah is everywhere, and the ayah that you brought in support that position.

The Ayah you quoted from Surah al-Baqarah contains the word wajh. This word has many meanings, amongst which are face, front, direction, facade, visage, aspect, side, point, regard, respect, meaning, way, manner and mode. None of my two Arabic dictionaries (abridged Mawrid, and Wortabets) define it as presence. Maybe some dictionaries that you have might define it in that way. The meaning which comes up first in my dictionaries, and which I understand is the main meaning of the word, is face.

The verse has been translated as the following.

Muhsin Khan
: And to Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn yourselves or your faces there is the Face of Allah (and He is High above, over His Throne). Surely! Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knowing.

Sahih International
: And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

Pickthall
: Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah's Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.

Yusuf Ali
: To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing. (This is the translation that you used I think)

Tafseers on the ayah: There are 2 main opinions as to the asbaan an nuzool (reason for revelation), one view is because the Jews were questioning re: the Qiblah, the other view is that some companions faced the wrong direction for prayer whilst travelling.

Tafsir Jalalayn:
" The following was revealed either when the Jews criticised the change of the direction of prayer [qibla], or concerning the supererogatory prayers on animal-back during journeys, which one may pray in any direction: To God belong the East and the West, that is, the entire earth, because these two [directions] represent both sides of it [the earth]; whithersoever you turn, your faces in prayer by His command, there is the Face of God, the direction of prayer with which He is pleased. Lo! God is Embracing, His bounty embracing all things, Knowing, how to manage His creation."

For the Tafseer of Ibn Katheer, the most highly regarded tafseer nowadays, I believe, see this link. The tafseer doesn't stop at the bottom of the page, you have to click on the right hand arrow to go to the next page, then read the next page and click once more.

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=322#1

Tafseer Ibn Abbaas (the prophet's cousin, may Allah be pleased with him)

"Then Allah mentioned the direction of prayer to Him, saying (Unto Allah belong the East and the West) as a direction of prayer for him who does not know the correct direction of prayer, (and whithersoever ye turn) your faces in prayer after ascertaining the direction, (there is Allah's Countenance) that prayer is performed in Allah's pleasure. This verse was revealed about a group of Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) who prayed whilst travelling in the wrong direction after doing their best to determine the correct direction. It is also said that saying (Unto Allah belong the East and the West) means: the people of the East and the people of the West have one direction of prayer which is the Sacred Precinct, and therefore (there is Allah's Countenance) means: that is the direction of prayer to Allah, (Lo! Allah is All-Embracing) regarding the direction of prayer, (All- Knowing) of their intentions."

None of the above great and esteemed scholars suggest that Allah is literally everywhere. For that to have been the case the ayah would have had to read not "fa thamma wajhullah", but " fa thammallah."

Sheikh Saalih al-Munajjid explains quite nicely from verses of the Qur'an:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/992/Allah%20is%20everywhere
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11035/Allah%20is%20everywhere

Regarding the Jugular vein verse:

-Miqbâs al tanwir min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (the prophet's cousin, may Allah be pleased with him)
"(We verily created a man) the child of Adam; and it is said this means: Abu Jahl (and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him) We are more aware of him and have more power over him (than his jugular vein) and there is nothing closer to man than this jugular vein."

I hope this helps you understand a bit better sister. None of this is my own saying. I am not about to argue with Ibn Katheer or Abdullah Ibn Abbaas, May Allah be pleased with them, nor with Allah himself, who's face is wherever we turn for prayer, i.e. the Qiblah.

I am sorry that you do not feel able to discuss and debate calmly, but please do read this post and view the links. I am no great scholar, but these people are. It will correct your misunderstanding.

And Allah knows best.

 

[muslimah_81]

Sister Muslimah. This is totally incorrect and you wrong by adding something in the verse of the Quran which is not there.


Revelation through Whose Knowledge? Your suggestion of "Our Knowledge" for angels being present as "part authors" with Allah swt, during the revelation of this verse, is bordering on shirk!

It is ALLAH swt who revealed the Quran to Muhammad, (pbuh) through Angel Gibrael, NOT the other way around.

WE or 'NAHNU', in the Quran Is ALLAH, HIMSELF, and the word 'WE' in the Quran WILL ALWAYS BE REFFERED TO ALLAH SWT.

Go to any decent scholar and ask.

Allah, the Glorified and Exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning):

These words, inna "Verily We" and nahnu "We", and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have decided…" etc. This is known in English as "The Royal We."


http://www.islamic-shield.com/2007/12/why-does-allah-swt-refer-to-himself-as.html

http://www.islaam.net/display/display.php?id=569&category=2

http://www.askmuslims.com/2008/07/why-does-allah-swt-refer-to-himself-as.html

Sister

What I have quoted is from the tafseer of Ibn Kathir.
Do you even know who he is?
Are you telling me you are more knowledgeable then him?

Please answer this because I did not add anything to the verse of the quran. Do you know what tafseer means?

Are you a scholar of the quran? Because you certainly talk like you think you are the most knowledgeable here.

Revelation through Whose Knowledge? Your suggestion of "Our Knowledge" for angels being present as "part authors" with Allah swt, during the revelation of this verse, is bordering on shirk!

When did I say this? Where does it say this in the tafseer? I think you have misread or not understood it. In the tafseer it says

Therefore, the angels brought down the revelation, the Qur'an, by the leave of Allah, the Exalted, the Most Honored.

And now you are accusing me of "bordering" on shirk??? Because of your lack of knowledge/understanding?

Isnt shirk kufr?

Sounds like you need to start taking your own advice (Im refering to the quotes from the quran that you have been posting on this thread regarding takfir, slandering, arrogance, pride, ego etc)

I once again politely ask you to actually read my posts before replying to them to avoid misunderstandings like this.

Everything I or any other posters have said you have taken out of context and started lecturing us on slandering.

Do you agree with his beliefs about the world being an illusion and Allah being everywhere?

No this is not spreading suspicion and slandering. It is called asking for someones opinion
I like to ask people their opinions so that I can get a different perspective on things. Because unlike you my sister, I do not know it all.

I am sorry but I am no longer going to be available as too much time has been spent on this thread because of constant attacks.

Sister who attacked you? I had no intention of attacking you and I was just trying to have a discussion with you.

I too feel I am wasting my time trying to have this discussion with you. You are not even paying any attention to what I am saying but instead taking it all out of context and you seem to be getting defensive and upset.

So all the best sister. May Allah guide us both. Hope there are no hard feelings I was just trying to have a discussion with you which is what people do on forums. I had no intention of upseting you.

Wasalaam

 

[Insaanah]

Moderators, the level of ignorance in this forum is astounding!

I am sorry but I am no longer going to be available as too much time has been spent on this thread because of constant attacks.

It is a great pity that instead of moderating, fitna, ghiba and ignorance are permitted to prevail.

Ws

Sister, please. It is not the case that everyone apart from yourself, is ignorant.

 

[Sameera]

^ Insane - Since none of my posts were directed at you, you have nor reason to join the gang with personal attacks, also I do not see any ignorance in stating the truth or the Quran verses above. Allah swt knows my intentions as well as yours.

 

[Sameera]

Muslimah, you are simply wasting your time defending yourself as I already told you my position.

We are required only to follow Allah swt by His book and Sunnah not opinions of others, which contradict both the Quran and Sunnah and cause discord, fitna and slandering.

You are simply misconstruing the tafsir without realizing and through your own confusion attacking innocent Muslims without any concrete evidence.

Wasalam