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In case you didn't know men and women who are unmarried are already releasing their sexual desires :D

We copy the non muslims, that's the norm for most muslims
 
@Muslimah explain to me what motivates a person from a poorer country want to marry someone from a richer western country. Why would a person leave their country, family, friends and marry a stranger from a far away richer country? Why would they not marry a local person instead with whom they have a lot more in common with? Please explain the driving force behind the reason for marrying someone from a western country?

In Pakistan I think there are 300 million people, why would someone from Pakistan reject so many people in order to marry a foreigner?

You are right Birmingham is full of asian women but sadly most of these women are not religious and have excessive love of money/material. I have met many women but pretty much most of them with the exception of a few are only after a guy with loads of money. They are not interested in a non materialistic man like me. These women were raised in a materialistic capitalistic society and in which money is the god which people worship, even their families are not all that religious. Most asian families have no shame in dealing in riba based mortgages just to buy a house.

When non religious, materialistic families raise children in the capitalist western secular societies, the children for the most part don't end up with good values and principles.

When it comes to standards, it's women in general who have much higher standards than men. If you would like to know the reason why, then please study female hypergamy.

This is a big reason why marriage is dead in the west because women will reject most men because they earn less money than her. This is why a lot of men tend to marry from a poorer country like Pakistan because women are attracted to the higher wealth status of a western man. Women tend to in general marry up the wealth status ladder.

Women in the west are financially well off and independent, therefore they don't need a man to provide for them, and so don't value a man as much as a woman who lives in a poorer country and doesn't have a lot going for her. Women in the west tend to have better paid jobs then most men, therefore they will reject most men who earn less than them.

One of the first questions a woman will always ask a guy, is what he does for a living? She does this to ascertain his wealth status.

The reason why I'm still single is not because I have high standards, it's because sadly most women don't find me financially attractive, I just don't have a big enough bank balance to fund their luxurious lifestyle.

Western feminism and female empowerment has destroyed the value of a man and the family unit. This is one of the biggest reasons that marriage is dead in the west. When gender roles are reversed, then marriage and family dies.

The other reason why it's hard to marry an asian woman in the UK is because most are secular and prefer haram relationships rather than taking on the responsibilities of marriage. Unfortunately are lot of asian women tend to have fun in the best years of their lives, late teens and 20's and then once they have wasted their youth, they tend to look for a nice guy to marry, when she has little to offer a man. We men marry women who are young, youthful and fertile to build families and we don't like women who have slept around. Unfortunately a lot of women will have fun with the badboys during their best years of their life and then once they are middle aged will tend to look for a nice guy to settle down with who can pay for a comfy life.
@Imraan truth has to be told that for most people, there is no hope. Let's be honest, you really think that most people are intelligent and rightly guided? Most people who I have come across, to put it politely are not all that bright and can think for themselves.


The impression I’m getting is that you think most women back home are gold diggers. The assumption you’re making may apply to the the typical village women that has no qualifications and looking for a foreigner to marry so she can have a better standard of living.

But if you think about the women from the cities in Pakistan, there is no need from them to marry a person from abroad solely for money as they are looking for other important factors that people take into account besides money such as piety, akhlaaq, hayaa, compatibility etc


What kind of women are you meeting? You seem to be attracting the career women, money hoarding, liberal women that are high maintenance and only have money on their mind. Most sincere and practising women would rank piety/religiosity as the one of the most important factors and if they are practising the Deen properly, money should not take precedence over worldly needs such as money.

Good values and principles come from good parenting that encompass teaching the Deen and implementing it in the household from a young age. If the parents aren’t very religious themselves, then society can’t be blamed when kids go off the rails.

The way you’ve described Asian women as promiscuous and living a free lifestyle and indulging in haram, then I can say the same can be said of men. Irreligious men and women couldn’t care less about religious morals and values. They just want to fit in and be like the non believers. Both genders are as bad as each other.
 
Alright, so we did the men vs women and both are as bad as each other. I am unsure how that solves his problem still - scratches his hairs - He is still single, he still cannot find a good woman, he still have problems finding his mate.

You know, people who hate WALLI which is a command from Allah himself. Again, sign of kufir to hate anything that is commanded by Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa). But this is what we have here. Another ingredients of the many reasons why we are here. Yeah, sure...it is all women's fault. Yeah, sure...it is all men's fault. Yeah, sure...it is both men and women fault, etc, etc, etc.

Now that...is out of the way. What are we going to do about it? What are you plans to fix things about? Are we going to bring Sharia Law back or are we going to still call ourselves, "MODERN MUSLIM' which is a religion in it's own. Because Islam is Islam is Islam is Islam since the time of the prophet. It have not changed and will not change and will never change.

Sharia Law NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED 100% in your lives just to call yourself Muslim...I didn't even go and say Mumeneen...I said Muslim. Do we hate the concept of women main role at home? Do we hate the concept of the sharing of wealth written in the Qura'an? Do we hate the concept of Walli? Do we hate the concept of men as the head of the household? Do we hate the concept of patriarchy? Because matriarchy doesn't work...had it worked...Islam would have been matriarch in a heart beat.

Don't follow the Western ways, follow the prophet Mohammad. Become real true Muslim again. Allah will make you successful then and only then in this world and in the afterlife. Stray away from the path of Allah, and Allah will humilate you in this world before the afterlife and he will make your world empty, dark, depressed. You think you have it bad now with relationships and between the sexes, you have not seen nothing yet. You think COVID-19 is bad? You have not seen nothing yet. The more you want to go astray, the more you will see what happens if you do.
 
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Asalamualykum

This thread is seriously getting off topic and not helpful to the original poster. Lets not turn this into a battle between the sexes and be respectful to each other. A gentle reminder to stay on topic.

Jazaka Allah.
 
[MENTION=47]Muslimah[/MENTION] it's not just women in poorer countries, women in general love material wealth, most women today are gold diggers to varying degrees and it's not strictly related to her socio economic status, even women here in the west with well paid jobs seek rich men. This is a universal trait.
Even men from poorer countries if given the opportunity will marry a richer woman from the west to improve their socio economic status. The son of Adam is greedy.

Women from middle class and upper middle class families, living comfortable lives in the cities of Pakistan will be a lot less motivated to marry a foreigner because her life is very comfortable, she lives in a nice house with her family, she eats good food, wears nice clothes, drives a nice car, has a good circle of close friends. She is not gonna sacrifice her good standard of living just for some foreign guy from the west. These women are very hard to marry for a western guy. This is why most men marry the poorer village women because the attraction is based on the wealth difference between the man and the woman, the greater the difference, the greater the attraction and vice versa.

Only a minority of people marry for piety and good character because most muslims are very secular and just cultural muslims. The main motivation for marriage is usually sex and wealth for most people.

I meet liberal secular, materialistic women not because I attract them but because those women are the norm of western secular liberal society. We humans are greatly influenced by our environment and it's values. In the west, there is only a very tiny minority of conservative religious men and women. The chances of meeting these religious people are pretty slim.

I've given an accurate description of most women and yes most men are corrupt too but as a rational guy I can accept honest criticism of my gender because I like truth weather it is is for me or against me. In the end truth is the only thing that matters in this universe, my feelings come secondary to truth. I understand that women due to being more sensitive when it comes to their feelings don't like criticism :)

In terms of corruption, it is fundamentally the system which corrupts people. When humans divorce Allah from their life and become slaves to their own desires and the desires of other humans, then darkness descends upon them and the light of Allah gets extinguished from their lives and satan becomes their leader and friend.

The solution is for men (and women) to return back to their religion with sincerity and take responsibility for leading society in the way that Allah wants us to. Men have to take the overall power back, men are the stronger sex and are better at handling power. Women need to be respected and their rights as given to them by Allah need to be upheld and honored. Every living creature needs to be respected and honored in the way in which Allah wants us to.

In the modern era most men have turned into soft women, the system has castrated them through indoctrination and the chemicals in water and food. There needs to be a reversal and humans need to return back to the natural order of things for harmony to be established on earth.
 
I love this ending!! I believe we should close this post with [MENTION=46536]kingfisher1[/MENTION] ending!! :D
 
In case you didn't know men and women who are unmarried are already releasing their sexual desires :D

We copy the non muslims, that's the norm for most muslims

Is that something to be smiling about?
 
[MENTION=28222]Islami[/MENTION] Mu'mina it's amusing you thinking that somehow people live like chaste nuns and monks all of their lives
 
Is that something to be smiling about?

Now, no? But wait couple of more generation and then yes the new generation will be smiling about that. Wait couple of more new generations and even in Muslim community they no longer believe in marriage. I do believe in marriage, but the new generation may not. I don't believe in Dajjal marriage, I don't believe in marriage that follows Dajjal law. I believe in marriage that follows Sharia Law, Allah's law, only. New generation however and the next and next will find marriage an outdated institution. Many will believe in love. Many others believe no woman should be in the same house as a man. Give it a long way route in the direction we are headed, men no longer want to conceive with women. They will buy her womb and many will order babies online with is DNA. He will hire maid and nanny for his kids. Many women don't want men anymore and will go the route of sperm banks, they will be independent, masculine, and live in their own as well. Men and women will meet for just sexual gratifications.

Don't worry Islami.Mu'mina, the scenario I mentioned above will be the norm and YOU will look outdated in your thinking.
 
The only REASON I didn't go this route myself, buying a baby online, is because I fear Allah. Fearing Allah is the reason why I don't do drugs. Fearing Allah is the reason why I did not do sexual experimentation. Fearing Allah is the reason why I am virgin. But new generations may not even fear Allah anymore and thus their door is open. Your mouth or action will not be able to stop it.
 
I will share one incident from my life. I got introduced to 2 religious practicing brothers through another muslim brother who knew me. At that time I was searching for work. These 2 brothers had a mature sister who they were seeking a husband for. They rejected me saying I'm not compatible. I did not even get to see or meet their sister. These are asian muslim brothers with beards. It's clear that they wanted someone with a good job status earning good money. This is just one example amongst countless others.

It sounds like they truly weren't religious. If they were, they would not have focused on income.
 
[MENTION=28222]Islami[/MENTION] Mu'mina it's amusing you thinking that somehow people live like chaste nuns and monks all of their lives

There are some chaste people put there. Just buried under a those promiscuous people and so called Muslims. I despise these people who ruin the lives others.

I personally wouldn't mind marrying a divorced woman or an older as long as she cna have kids. But people reject for no reason...either race or im extreme....Subahanallah. I tend to get pessimistic when looking for a spouse
 
There are some chaste people put there. Just buried under a those promiscuous people and so called Muslims. I despise these people who ruin the lives others.

I personally wouldn't mind marrying a divorced woman or an older as long as she cna have kids. But people reject for no reason...either race or im extreme....Subahanallah. I tend to get pessimistic when looking for a spouse

Yeah I think the most important thing is not age, but whether you feel like you are physically attracted to this person and you know you can have a good time with this person. (of course, the person's piety is important but thats a given).. And obviously if you want children, just as long as the lady isn't extremely older than you it'll be good

My brother himself is a little more on the shallow sides but he could say the same as well

I honestly could say the same. I'm not trying to generalize but I have noticed many Muslim families tend to reject and not allow their daughters to marry someone she wants because of race or nationality. If they had the true Muslim mindset, they wouldn't do so.
 
[MENTION=28222]Islami[/MENTION] Mu'mina you didn't directly say that but I just got the impression from some of what you wrote, I could be wrong.
[MENTION=43429]Studentofdeed[/MENTION] nobody is going to do everything perfectly, we all have our shortcomings. The love of this world is present in most people to varying degrees.
[MENTION=28222]Islami[/MENTION] Mu'mina there is nothing wrong in generalising, I don't understand why people think it is wrong to generalise, as long as it's true, that is all that matters. Humans are tribal and there will be some racism present in a good amount of people. People tend to like to stick to their own kind, maybe they feel more comfortable being around similar people.
 
@Islami Mu'mina you didn't directly say that but I just got the impression from some of what you wrote, I could be wrong.
@Studentofdeed nobody is going to do everything perfectly, we all have our shortcomings. The love of this world is present in most people to varying degrees.
@Islami Mu'mina there is nothing wrong in generalising, I don't understand why people think it is wrong to generalise, as long as it's true, that is all that matters. Humans are tribal and there will be some racism present in a good amount of people. People tend to like to stick to their own kind, maybe they feel more comfortable being around similar people.

internally people do generalize which is fine but it can get too extreme such as some wali's who don't allow their daughter to marry a man due to his nationality/race

Or being prideful/arrogant and adding bad stereotypes to a race as a whole
 
But if a certain race have very bad reputation for hundreds of years and the people of that race refuse to do anything to change it, even if stats are bombarded in their face. I see nothing wrong what so ever to be racist toward that group in terms of hiring and marrying. Not because of skin color, but because what is attached to that skin color in terms of attitude, thinking, believe and lack of improving oneself and how they interact with family members. I mean if there is a race and there is a race right now with that stats in America and worldwide where only 24%, look at that number...only 24% of WOMEN not men but WOMEN who get married and from that 24% high percentage of these women kill their husbands and their children and from that race the remaining percentage are prostituting themselves and acting like wild animals both men and women and from that race majority of children are raised by single moms and so forth...forget the saying, "What man!?". Me, myself...I aint going to marry from that race no matter how much you slap on the table worth of money. Even if it is 8 trillion legit, halaal, pound not even USA dollar, but pound and not even in cash where the currency rate goes up and down...but in gold worth. I will refuse the money. No. Thanks. Racisms is a mechanics if done correctly, designed to protect one from harm. Now, if such said race of people do change and become the women and men that Allah talks about in Qura'an, who cares about skin color...I will marry that group of race. But alas, we have went so far gone to even want to improve ourselves.
 
Nvm, forget I even said anything.. It wouldn't get anywhere anyway


lol

It wouldn't get anywhere now because it is like a man who came from 1750 and teleported to 2021 in the center of democratic, liberal, feminist, and political correctness world. His ideologies will clash and both men and women will throw rocks at him. In order for his ideas to work, he first need to reshape the political and social world around him. Else he is an alien in an alien world. For yours to work, we need to first fix both the political and social Muslim world by having a "Muslim village", meaning a country that enforces 100% Sharia Law where even the means of using your money is what Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) commanded us to use, in the Holly Qura'an, and not this cash money or digital online money where currencies fluctuate up or down. Again, if we cannot even fix this...if we cannot even do that...your ideas is a nice sweet ones...but it aint going to work. Like telling a Mushrish woman to wear Hijjab and pray to Allah when she doesn't even know him or even believe in him O_o. How does that even work?

I am not saying that to indicate no one should marry and there is no good person out there. Nope. I am just saying, it very rare to achieve what you are asking for and not lots of men have this well and determination and willing to climb mountains to achieve it. This is why Allah himself made marriage very easy, because he knows his creations. We went and made it impossible now and throw stones at a man for not achieving the impossible or calling him weak. Like Obelix once said, "These romans are crazy!!"

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