Should one have a license to be a parent?

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Should people need to be licensed to be parents?

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rich children dont necessarily grow up normal. The ego due their parent also mean they too fail at school, cant hold a job etc. Not because they are not educated because they dont know how to get along with people which is to me personally the esstential thing every human being should know.

If you cant get a long with people, you will find it extremely difficult to get through schools, college, university (if they make it that far) and to find a job and then continue with the job. Sometimes these rich kids can’t even get a job because they did not recieve their education and they cant get on with people. They end up being dependent on their parent and sometimes the parent cant no longer afford to look after them. Also, they wont make any true friendship, they probably be around people that will use them. Imagine the psychological damage they may have and they would useless member of society tbh.
 
Hafsah, I think that's just over philosophising. We can't really know so no need to indulge in hypotheticals.

Allah can guide the most misguided of persons and that's what matters, our guidance. We need to accept that ultimately this life is not the end goal and Allah will give us experiences to test us, despite them not being to our liking. Success in this life is irrelevant. So a poor kid that eventually ends up for life in prison due to his misdeeds and within prison walls gains guidance is infinitely better than a rich kid that has a good life, maybe even good ethics but is himself an atheist.
 
Basically you can be d***ed either way, rich or poor :p

And finally, in answer to the original question (:p) no, one should not have a license in order for one to become a parent.

Wassalam.

edit: yeh I know, I just love 'indulging in hypotheticals' though :p coz we're never gonna need a license to be parents anyway so its all hypothetical =D
 
A license is not needed. What is needed is getting big government out of the family and allow the family to return to serving their religion not the mysterious unseen "government". Once that is done enforce all child abuse and child neglect laws fully with zero tolerance and fully implimented.

There then will be no need to force anybody to take parenting classes, they will want to take them, to be certain they do not accidently violate any of the neglect and abuse laws.

Ultimate option, nuke everybody and give up on the human race.

There is no excuse for child abuse except insanity and in that case the offender should be put out of his misery. I will agree that a child abuser is sick, but so is a rabid dog and I have no qualms over shooting a rabid dog.

Before the world jumps up and down and says I am speaking too harshly. I agree I am.

But, I worked too long in the past with child abusers and honestly believe they need to be removed from society. Execution may be a touch too extreme. But it is effective.

OK, I would settle for life confinment as long as it can be assured the perpetrator could never be set free.
 
^ I agree with woodrow, also I think relationships that are conducted outside of marriage where there isn't a proper family environment and family stability contributes to the overall downfall of society. I think maybe a law that children aren't allowed out of wedlock might be productive. I mean you have 13 year old girls getting pregnant, who then have some crucial decisions to make in life and they're obviously not ready to make them.

The legal age for sex is 18 but how often to people abide by this? lol then you get teenage mothers walking round with prams after school lol. A young mother is still being raised herself she's not in a position to raise children.
 
-no. and even if there was a license, then what are the conditions to that license? who and what sets the rules? where does it begin, where does it end?

-i don't know about the potential affects of not being a father will have on males, but depriving women of having children is really a bad idea. a really really bad one. what would the affects be of giving parents a license, to be parents, have on women who want children? and even more women that that feel are capable of parenthood (and indeed are capable of it), but due to of this license issue, maybe deprived of that? would depriving women of cause depression and the likes?

having said that though, advising parents if they do wrong by their child is a good idea as well as children services (and counseling for the parents) in cases where the parents are violent etc, shouldn't be down played.
 
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!:raging: And I am appalled and astonished to see some Muslims actually support these outrageous ideas of the kafir socialist state worshippers. What else are you advocating?? A licence to BREATH next is it? It is no one's business to dictate to parents if they are "allowed" to have offspring or not. The AUDACITY of it! That prerogative should be 100% down to the parents themselves. "Parent licences" are nothing more than a product of socialism gone insane, another true illustration of Orwellian mentality. And lastly but not least importantly, parenting licences are completely ANTI Islamic and no genuine Muslim could possibly support it. Such a tyranical law is in the realm of the atheist Marxist kafirs, NOT of Islam.

Also, enacting such a law would be next to completely futile in enforcing anyway. First it would be horrendously expensive to enforce, and any such parents such as myself who would rancourously defy it to the bitter end would simply hide all knowledge of the our offspring from the state ANYWAY. So the fascist idea would be a complete waste of time because all that will happen will be a new trend emerging in which mothers absolutely intent on being parents will have their offspring in SECRET.
 
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Woodrow said:
A license is not needed. What is needed is getting big government out of the family and allow the family to return to serving their religion not the mysterious unseen "government". Once that is done enforce all child abuse and child neglect laws fully with zero tolerance and fully implimented.

There then will be no need to force anybody to take parenting classes, they will want to take them, to be certain they do not accidently violate any of the neglect and abuse laws.

Ultimate option, nuke everybody and give up on the human race.

There is no excuse for child abuse except insanity and in that case the offender should be put out of his misery. I will agree that a child abuser is sick, but so is a rabid dog and I have no qualms over shooting a rabid dog.

Before the world jumps up and down and says I am speaking too harshly. I agree I am.

But, I worked too long in the past with child abusers and honestly believe they need to be removed from society. Execution may be a touch too extreme. But it is effective.

OK, I would settle for life confinment as long as it can be assured the perpetrator could never be set free.
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I don't think you're being too harsh, but it may not apply in all cases; some abusers maybe suffering from certain mental disorders, which would be better treated medically, rather than direct punishment.

:wa:
 
Salam alaykum

I voted no but we have mother test:

I [a mother] was out walking with my 3-year-old daughter. She picked
up something off of the ground and started to put it in her mouth. I
took the item away from her, and I asked her not to do that.

"'Why?" my daughter asked.

"Because it's been on the ground: You don't know where it's been; it's
dirty and probably has germs," I replied.

At this point, my daughter looked at me with total admiration and
asked, "Mama, how do you know all this stuff? You are so smart."

I thought quickly, then answered: "All moms know this stuff. It's on
the Mama Test. You have to know it, or they won't let you be a mama."

We walked along in silence for 2 or 3 minutes, but she was evidently
pondering this new information.

"Oh. . .I get it!" she beamed, "So if you don't pass the test, you have
to be the dad."

"Exactly," I replied with a big smile on my face.
 
Karl said:
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!:raging: And I am appalled and astonished to see some Muslims actually support these outrageous ideas of the kafir socialist state worshippers. What else are you advocating?? A licence to BREATH next is it? It is no one's business to dictate to parents if they are "allowed" to have offspring or not. The AUDACITY of it! That prerogative should be 100% down to the parents themselves. "Parent licences" are nothing more than a product of socialism gone insane, another true illustration of Orwellian mentality. And lastly but not least importantly, parenting licences are completely ANTI Islamic and no genuine Muslim could possibly support it. Such a tyranical law is in the realm of the atheist Marxist kafirs, NOT of Islam.

Also, enacting such a law would be next to completely futile in enforcing anyway. First it would be horrendously expensive to enforce, and any such parents such as myself who would rancourously defy it to the bitter end would simply hide all knowledge of the our offspring from the state ANYWAY. So the fascist idea would be a complete waste of time because all that will happen will be a new trend emerging in which mothers absolutely intent on being parents will have their offspring in SECRET.
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Did you read the original post? Before you start accusing people of being kafirs, consider what many parents have (or haven't) done in the last thirty or so years. Some people should not be allowed to have children.
 
Boaz said:
Did you read the original post? Before you start accusing people of being kafirs, consider what many parents have (or haven't) done in the last thirty or so years. Some people should not be allowed to have children.
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Says WHO exactly? You? Your arrogant selfrighteous authoritarian Marxist friends? Just who died and made YOU God? Well for your information I don't take kindly to being pontificated by you or anyone else over whether you think I am fit or unfit to breed. It is a parents God given right to breed and it is NONE of your inherent business to STOP them, no matter HOW righteous you think you are! Breeding is an inherent, personal and most private right given by Allah, NOT for you to arrogantly and selfrighteously dictate who you deem "fit" or "unfit". Parenting is an inherent right that I for one would be prepared to fight my arrogant busybody enemies to the death if needed be.
 
Boaz said:
Did you read the original post? Before you start accusing people of being kafirs, consider what many parents have (or haven't) done in the last thirty or so years. Some people should not be allowed to have children.
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Peace with you

then to WHO we could give right to decide who can have kids and who doesn´t?

We can´t say kids become similar than they parents were.

Let me show you Omer Goldman (daughter of ex-boss of Mossad):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCcTSyowhY&feature=player_embedded
 
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Karl said:
Says WHO exactly? You? Your arrogant selfrighteous authoritarian Marxist friends? Just who died and made YOU God? Well for your information I don't take kindly to being pontificated by you or anyone else over whether you think I am fit or unfit to breed. It is a parents God given right to breed and it is NONE of your inherent business to STOP them, no matter HOW righteous you think you are! Breeding is an inherent, personal and most private right given by Allah, NOT for you to arrogantly and selfrighteously dictate who you deem "fit" or "unfit". Parenting is an inherent right that I for one would be prepared to fight my arrogant busybody enemies to the death if needed be.
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Relax man. It's only a hypothetical discussion. No true muslim can support it anyway.
 
I see a license only as a barrier. We need to improve things, for example by arranging educational courses for parents, not build a wall and ban people from having kids.
 
**muslimah** said:
I see a license only as a barrier. We need to improve things, for example by arranging educational courses for parents, not build a wall and ban people from having kids.
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In what way would an educational course help though? I think the OP had in mind the case where people are abusing their kids in the worst possible form due to being incapable. For example, say there's a couple that live in an atmosphere of drink, drugs and clubbing and constant arguing along with low income. Let's also make the man short tempered. Are these people suitable for parenthood in their present state? Obviously not and it is these kinds of parents that would be prevented due to failing to meet set criteria, if there were to be this hypothetical license test.

Do you really think an education in parenting would help these guys? They have far bigger problems to work out and I don't think 45 minute a week self help lessons would do much good for them.

Not that I'm supporting the license, I'm just saying, education alone really isn't that strong a tool to prevent parents from doing something unjust/stupid.

Just take the recent case with the woman murdering her babies. Said classes would not have helped one bit (it's not like they would have taught her something basic like 'killing is wrong' :hmm: ). I suppose a license would not have been any better in this regard either.
 
**muslimah** said:
I see a license only as a barrier. We need to improve things, for example by arranging educational courses for parents, not build a wall and ban people from having kids.
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Yeah that's very true....because many of today's parent are no better than the kids they are trying to raise!
 

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