Sikhism- a continuation of prophet hood?

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Grace Seeker said:
There have been people since the guru's who have claimed to be prophets too. So, does that mean that we should listen to Joseph Smith or to Elijah Muhammad. If having some claim that you are a prophet and then writing down your message is what makes one a credible prophet, and then we are to follow the most recent of whoever these people are, I assure you that I can produce a new prophet tomorrow.

The standards that I understand are being proposed for prophethood seem very week to me.
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Well we are completely convinced that Gurus were perfect in every way. I am trying not to say anything that could be taken as disrespectful to any religion nor do I wanna say anything about gurus that could be wrong or not give them full credit as I am not a perfect person. So, I would suggest that if you really wanna know about gurus, read some material about Sikhs and gurus and see it for yourself how it makes sese to you...
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Thankyou. I'm sure Mohammed is mentioned in the SGGS. I'll get it too. Bhai Gurdas spoke of Kaaba spinning too didn't he? I may be wrong
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AvalAllahNoor, I wish you would understand that she is taking advantage of yours trying to be nice and mixing it with her own beliefs to spread a false notion that gurus didn't have direct revelation. You, she and I are not good enough to judge gurus based upon what we think. So, I wish you would quit entertaining them. There are too many flaws in her theory and there is no way we could find the whole truth. So we should quit making judgements based upon our perceptions.
 
yeh im pretty sure it says about the moving of the kabah in bhai sahibs vaars, il c if i can find them
 
Heres bhai gurdas jis vaars of when Guru Nanak went to mecca!

Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca.
He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his armpit, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress.
Now he sat in a mosque where the pilgrms (hajis) had gathered.
When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba,
the qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy.
Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda.
Catching hold of the legs he lynched (Baba Nanak) and lo and behold the miracle, the whole of Mecca seemed to be revolving.
All got surprised and they all bowed.
Qazi and maulvis got together and began discussing religion.
A great fantasy has been created and no one could understood its mystery.
They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim.
Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.
Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord.
As the colour of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colours of religiosity are also temporary.
(Followers of both the religions) In their expositions, denounce Ram and Rahim.
The whole of the world is following the ways of Satan.
 
PCJS said:
AvalAllahNoor, I wish you would understand that she is taking advantage of yours trying to be nice and mixing it with her own beliefs to spread a false notion that gurus didn't have direct revelation. You, she and I are not good enough to judge gurus based upon what we think. So, I wish you would quit entertaining them. There are too many flaws in her theory and there is no way we could find the whole truth. So we should quit making judgements based upon our perceptions.
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Brother, I'm not sure what you're getting at? I as a Sikh have a duty to reveal the truth about Sikhi (so should you) I don't care if she mis-uses the information. Many muslims and hindus have claimed we Sikhs belong to thier religions, does that make it the truth? No. Just because Mohammed, Moses, Jesus, Krishan, Ram were mentiond in the SGGS, does not make it a continuation of prophethood. Guru's came on a mission to reveal God. They did not say they were to be worshipped. They did not claim we have an affiliation with any of the existing religions WE DON'T!
 
naz87 said:
do sikhs beleive in reincarnation like the hindus?
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goojree.
Goojaree:

ant kaal jo lachhmee simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,


sarap jon val val a-utarai. ||1||
shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1||

aree baa-ee gobid naam mat beesrai. rahaa-o.
O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||

ant kaal jo istaree simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,

baysvaa jon val val a-utarai. ||2||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||

ant kaal jo larhikay simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,

sookar jon val val a-utarai. ||3||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3||

ant kaal jo mandar simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,

parayt jon val val a-utarai. ||4||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4||

ant kaal naaraa-in simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,

badat tilochan tay nar muktaa peetambar vaa kay ridai basai. ||5||2||
says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||
 
PCJS said:
AvalAllahNoor, I wish you would understand that she is taking advantage of yours trying to be nice and mixing it with her own beliefs to spread a false notion that gurus didn't have direct revelation.
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AvarAllahNoor said:
I don't care if she mis-uses the information
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How rude of you two to accuse me of such things as if I can't even see your post!

I am not taking advantage of anyone's 'kindness', nor am I misusing any other information you have provided!

Just because Mohammed, Moses, Jesus, Krishan, Ram were mentiond in the SGGS, does not make it a continuation of prophethood. Guru's came on a mission to reveal God. They did not say they were to be worshipped. They did not claim we have an affiliation with any of the existing religions WE DON'T!
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Maybe you should try to get your story together, how can sikhs believe that Muhammad was a Prophet of God, and then reject his teachings?! You claim his teachings were never preserved, so I challenged you that yes indeed they are preserved.

It really is not that hard to understand.
 
PCJS said:
Page (526-5)
goojree.
Goojaree:

ant kaal jo lachhmee simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of wealth, and dies in such thoughts,


sarap jon val val a-utarai. ||1||
shall be reincarnated over and over again, in the form of serpents. ||1||

aree baa-ee gobid naam mat beesrai. rahaa-o.
O sister, do not forget the Name of the Lord of the Universe. ||Pause||

ant kaal jo istaree simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts,

baysvaa jon val val a-utarai. ||2||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||

ant kaal jo larhikay simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts,

sookar jon val val a-utarai. ||3||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3||

ant kaal jo mandar simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts,

parayt jon val val a-utarai. ||4||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a goblin. ||4||

ant kaal naaraa-in simrai aisee chintaa meh jay marai.
At the very last moment, one who thinks of the Lord, and dies in such thoughts,

badat tilochan tay nar muktaa peetambar vaa kay ridai basai. ||5||2||
says Trilochan, that man shall be liberated; the Lord shall abide in his heart. ||5||2||
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reincarnated as a goblin? goblins don't even exist?
 
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lol bro relax. If you think his post was bad, just report it by clicking the red box on the right hand side of his post, and the mods will take care of it inshaallah.
 
hassaanejaz said:
replace ** with answering-islam .org
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According to that link you posted it states the following...

''As it stands, Muhammad is not the last prophet nor is he the one who seals up the prophethood. According to Islamic narrations, Jesus is the last prophet who will eradicate unbelief and usher in the final hour. Hence, Jesus seals up prophecy and vision, not Muhammad''

Explain this please?
 
Muhammad is the last prophet, Jesus will return yes, but he is not the last prophet for a number of reasons, specifically because he is ruling by the law of Muhammad pbuh and other reasons that I forgot, hopefully others can explain.
 
Malaikah said:
Muhammad is the last prophet, Jesus will return yes, but he is not the last prophet for a number of reasons, specifically because he is ruling by the law of Muhammad pbuh and other reasons that I forgot, hopefully others can explain.
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It's contradicting. You can't claim he's the last, but them say 'But' He either is the last, or isn't?

This is where i say, having a revelation delivered by people, is flawed. It's proof at it's best.
 

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