Sikhism

[Zohair]

Surah (chapter) 33 verse 40:

*{Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the messenger of Allah and the seal of all the prophets. And Allah knows all things.}*

and the Prophet SAW said:

"O people! No prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore O people! And, understand words that I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur’an and the sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray."

 

[jss]

If sikhs believe in the quran and in prophet Muhammad SAW, why don't they follow him? and if they say the quran is true, why not follow it?

if sikh's believe in the qur'an, then why can't we use the quran to prove ones points?

The Guru's acknowledge its existence but did not follow it.

'Ram Rahim Puran Quran Anek Kahain Par Ek Na Maniyo.'


Therefore the Sikhs (disciples) of the True Guru do not deny or call these scriptures false, personally out of respect too.
I'm sure you wouldn't like anyone dissing your religion by calling it false.

The Guru's bana (will) is the Guru Granth Sahib which has a universal message for all of mankind and does not discriminate against anyone.

GurFateh

 

[jss]

Well i thought sikhs thought what was said in the Qur'an is false. For example God says we shoud pray to the Ka'bah the holy mosque and non-muslims should not be allowed there. You have previously tried in vain to show how incorrect that was, but nevertheless Sikhs still disagree with that islamic rule, so obviously you think this is false, am i right?

Also people like Dhillon said Qur'an is not the word of God but quite comically he would argue it's the word of an angel. How can sikhs then "acknowledge",as you said, what it preaches?

People say alot of things but you can find out first hand by reading the Guru Granth Sahib.

The Guru's bana (will) is true.

GurFateh

 

[jss]

Surah (chapter) 33 verse 40:

*{Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the messenger of Allah and the seal of all the prophets. And Allah knows all things.}*

and the Prophet SAW said:

"O people! No prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore O people! And, understand words that I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur’an and the sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray."

That is your belief- obviously there is no room for a open minded discussion.
Good luck in your journey:thankyou:

Gurfateh

 

[Zohair]

That is your belief- obviously there is no room for a open minded discussion.
Good luck in your journey:thankyou:

Gurfateh

lol I understand that but a person said that sikh's believe in the qur'an, but they don't believe it was the final scripture, and they don't believe Muhammad SAW, was hte last prophet, so I put those verses.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Well i thought sikhs thought what was said in the Qur'an is false. For example God says we shoud pray to the Ka'bah the holy mosque and non-muslims should not be allowed there. You have previously tried in vain to show how incorrect that was, but nevertheless Sikhs still disagree with that islamic rule, so obviously you think this is false, am i right?

Also people like Dhillon said Qur'an is not the word of God but quite comically he would argue it's the word of an angel. How can sikhs then "acknowledge",as you said, what it preaches?

As difficult as it may seem for others to comprehend, Guru Nanak was sent by God! How would it look if he said that he was the true messenger? He'd have faltered from his mission. God created all the main religions judaism/Christianity/Islam/Hinduism and then Sikhism! He could say that all the other's we're false, but no, because God created them, but God saw his creation was going astray once again, so then Guru Nanak took birth!


Mitee dhund Jag Chaanan hoya, Satgur Nanak Pargatiya

The fog of ignorance dispelled when Guru Nanak Dev came and all light shone.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If sikhs believe in the quran and in prophet Muhammad SAW, why don't they follow him? and if they say the quran is true, why not follow it?

if sikh's believe in the qur'an, then why can't we use the quran to prove ones points?

Why do we need to follow him? We have respect for him as he's a messenger of the Almighty, but we do not accept him to be anything else. We believe Sikhism is the true way as it is the last religion created by the Almighty. And every word uttered by Guru Nanak and the other Gurus are devine words from God himself!

Jaisi Main Aawe Khasam Ki Baani Taisra Kari Giaan Ve Lalo”.

As the Bani (revelation) comes to me from my Lord, so do I reveal!

 

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SGGS has NO verse in DIRECT negation of muhammed's prophet hood or quran being word of God.

It has many references though :-

to misinterpretation of Quran

to rote learning of quran or other religious scriptures


to follow illogical rituals

to claims that they know all bout God and there is nothing left to be known

Erm................yh...........ok...............this is an islamic forum mate..........don't u think u'd be better off NOT dissing Islam? :rollseyes

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Erm................yh...........ok...............this is an islamic forum mate..........don't u think u'd be better off NOT dissing Islam? :rollseyes

Where is the 'dissing'?


BTW - Your signature is very confusing, far too much text

 

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Just cause u know its true

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Just cause u know its true

Of course it's true!

 

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so as Guru Nanak said. "There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim,

all are same in the eyes of God"

That means there is no religion! What the.....:?

 

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donot understand your deductive logic.

Deductive logic?

Excuse me, u urself said

so as Guru Nanak said. "There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim,

all are same in the eyes of God"

That means there is no religion according to your belief. :rollseyes

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

I think there has been a misunderstanding, so let us not turn this into a harsh discussion please. I believe brother Zohair only mentioned the Qur'anic verses to explain the belief in Islam, and not to contribute to the debate. I would also urge us all to remain respectful while trying to understand each other's belief.

I have a couple of questions about Sikhism from reading the last bunch of posts...

Truthseeker provided a link to the translation of the SGGS, which mentions that:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because of it's musical nature and poetic style, no translation can ever hope to fully capture all of the moods and nuances of the original Gurmukhi version. At the same time the celebration of God and the Gurus teachings on how one should live their life found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib transcends cultural and linguistic boundaries and are universal in their appeal.[/FONT]

This reminds me of the nature of the Qur'an, since the Qur'an uses language of the highest standard. Can you elaborate on the part about transcending "cultural and linguistic boundaries", and would it be possible to get a feel of the nature of the SGGS by perhaps hearing it being read?

Regarding this post:

As difficult as it may seem for others to comprehend, Guru Nanak was sent by God! How would it look if he said that he was the true messenger? He'd have faltered from his mission. God created all the main religions judaism/Christianity/Islam/Hinduism and then Sikhism! He could say that all the other's we're false, but no, because God created them, but God saw his creation was going astray once again, so then Guru Nanak took birth!

If God sent Guru Nanak to become the founder of Sikhism (correct me if I am wrong), does this mean that the other religions are considered false, since you said that "God saw his creation was going astray", although they are simply not stated as being false, out of respect?

Thank you all for your contribution to this thread,

Peace.

 

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However i do find the recitation from the verses of Quran very soothing.

It says in the Qur'an -

Chapter 6, Verse 125

And whomsoever Allah wishes to show the way, He
opens his heart for Islam, and whomsoever wishes to lose
his way, He makes his heart narrow, straightened.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

nd would it be possible to get a feel of the nature of the SGGS by perhaps hearing it being read?

Regarding this post:
If God sent Guru Nanak to become the founder of Sikhism (correct me if I am wrong), does this mean that the other religions are considered false, since you said that "God saw his creation was going astray", although they are simply not stated as being false, out of respect?


Peace.

Without a doubt!!


No, not false as i've stated before! but many practices that have crept up in Islam and Hinduism have led people away, no?


"There are five prayers, and accordingly five hours of the day for namaz, the five having five names. Let, then, the first be truthfulness, the second honest living and the third charity - all in the Name of God. Let the fourth be goodwill towards all, and the fifth the praise of the Lord God. Your kalma is only your good deeds, and this alone entitles you to call yourself a Muslim, O, Nanak, the false obtain falsehood, and nothing but falsehood...." *Note Guru is not saying that those that do the above are false!

There are four castes of Hindus and four sects of Muslims in the world
The members of both religions are selfish, jealous, proud, bigoted and violent.
The Hindus make pilgrimage to Hardvar and Banaras, the Muslim to the Kaaba of Mecca.
Circumcision is dear to the Muslims, sandal mark (tilak) and sacred thread to the Hindus.
The Hindus invoke Ram, the Muslims, Rahim, but in reality there is only One God.
Since they have forgotten the Vedas and the Katebas, worldly greed and devil have led them astray.
Truth hidden from both; the brahmins and maulvis kill one another by their animosities.
Neither sect shall find liberation from transmigration. (Guru Nanak dev Ji.)

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex


NOTE: If i put a pound aside for every time i warned people about their attitudes towards Muslims and non-muslims i'd be rich! rich i tell you! Please refrain from belittling others because it is not nice nor is it the sort of manners we should have as muslims. This thread was opened so that some of us would have a better understanding of Sikhism (i wonder where i got such notion from, wait, the title says Sikhism). If you can not reply in a civilised manner i suggest you refrain from contributing. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Ya muslimeen, do you think you will not be held accountable for the things you write? think twice....think thrice and then post.

Jizakallah khair

 

[Zohair]

It seems there's a double standard here (or whatever you call it). you said we are not allowed to use the qur'an, and yet you are using the sggs as a reference point.

 

[max314]

I believe Guru Nanak had Muslim teachers.

Indeed. In fact, one of his most covetted friends was a Muslim; Bhagat Kabeer.

But that doesn't make him a Muslim. Especially since it was Guru Nanak who was re-educating his teachers and his colleagues.

 

[max314]

I heard a story about when Sikhs people first came to saudi arabia, the people there thougt that they were muslims aswell.. because they also grow beards. So they strated to help them in getting them in the good places for work.. but later on they started to think because they never saw those men comming to the mosques on Juma
so from then they knew they werent muslim.....

pretty weird huh

Heh...I've got a funny story:

I was crossing the street about three or four months ago, and I hadn't shaved for a while since I was busy with exams. I knew I 'looked like a Muslim' since I had cut hair and about four weeks-worth of facial hair. As I crossed the street, a Muslim fellow crossed past me and made eye-contact. Then he said "asalam-à-likum [hope I spelled that right...] my Muslim brother" to me. I replied quickly: "I'm not Muslim, but I am most certainly your brother" :happy: Unfortunately, I think he was one of the less tolerant Muslims, because his face sunk just as I told him that... :giggling:

Then there was this other time (this was only about four weeks ago) when I was walking out of a high-rise car park and some Eastern European-lookin' guy shouts to me from about 20 yards away; "sorry, there aren't any Mosques around here!" I was stunned...not because he thought I was Muslim, but because I couldn't believe that he would hurl that kind of abuse at one of his fellow human beings :-\ I shouted back "well, I'm not Muslim", to which he replied "well, you look it". I said "if you mean I look like a human being, then thanks for the observation".