Sikhism

Saajan said:
Sat Sri Akaal,

We live in a modern world today and we have to live by the rules and regulations wherever we live. I live in a country where the majority are muslims. Malaysia is a multi religious and multi cultural country and we can have anything we want here. The Government collect taxes from the citizens regardless of his or her faith and at the same time "haram" products are also taxed and money from the sale of other "haram" products are also circulating from one hand to another. The same taxes are used to build the economy, pay wages especially to the Government employees where 90% of them are malay muslims.

Now are these people not going to take their wages because the revenue is from the sale of "haram" products and from "kafirs" like me? Are you going into every minute detail? Do you think that all the currency circulating in the world today comes from legal sources?

My friend are you going back to the barter system, riding camels instead of cars and live in a cave because the money is all "illegal".

Be practical and yet maintain your religious and moral values. Thats what Sikhism is all about. Being Practical. God is not going to be cross believe me Isnt God full of love and very compassionate?:)

Sat Sri Akaal
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With a little effort and faith in Allah it can all be achieved. We believe this whole life is a test, and God tests us in many different ways, to see whether in difficult times we will result to earning money through haraam means. i promise you there are many muslims here in the UK who don't sell alcohol, don't do interest on business and still prosper economically and live according to shariah. Everything is possible if you strive to do something in god's way. You walk towards God, God will run towards you.

Yes God is full of love and compassionate, but if you continue to disobey him then you will miss out on his mercy, and perhaps instead incur his wrath. Don't forget God is also the most just. For example if a rapist goes around raping people's mum's, then i guess he is ok since God is full of love and compassion. No since he is disobeying God's commands God will not be happy with his creation
 
Here is a question i've been asked.

Q: How can Guru Granth Sahib be true when it has the writings of various other men from different religions, i.e. Hindus and Muslims? God reveals through one messenger, like God revealed the Quran through Muhammad. How can God speak and give a message to 15 or 20 different people?

A: Islam teaches that God sends prophets to the nations, in different times and different places, to communicate His message. Since the beginning of time, Islam believes God has sent His guidance through these chosen people. They were human beings who walked among their people and taught them about faith in One Almighty God, and how to walk on the path of righteousness.

The Quran says that:

"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285).

It is believed that all prophets gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives. Since God is One, His message has been one and the same throughout time. In essence, all prophets taught the message of Islam - to find peace in your life through submission to the One Almighty Creator -- to believe in God and to follow His guidance.

Although only 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Qur'an, a Hadith (no. 21257 in Musnad Ibn Hanbal) mentions that there were 124,000 of them in total throughout history. Among the prophets that Muslims honour are: Adam, Enoch, Noah, Hud, Salih, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, Jacob, Josphet, Shu’aib, Job, Moses, Aaron, Ezekiel, David, Solomon, Elias, Elisha, Jonah, Zechariah, Jesus and Muhammad.


So God can speak through 124,000 people, which includes farmers and shepherds, and still reveal the same message, but apparently it’s not possible for the Almighty All-Powerful God to speak through 36 divine holy men? Where is the logic in that!

What i'm saying is who are these 124.000 other Prophets? If you read up about Bhagat Kabir Ji, Shiekh Bhagat Fareed JI, Bahgat Ram Dev etc you'll find that they were all ONE with the Lord!
 
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I have a question about the Sikh turban. There is a religious Sikh boy in our school, who does not wear a turban, but wears a tightly-wrapped piece of cloth with a knot in the top. I've seen other young Sikhs doing this as well. What is it, is it some sort of turban that children wear?

Also, do Sikhs wear their turban over a cap or something?
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Fishman said:
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I have a question about the Sikh turban. There is a religious Sikh boy in our school, who does not wear a turban, but wears a tightly-wrapped piece of cloth with a knot in the top. I've seen other young Sikhs doing this as well. What is it, is it some sort of turban that children wear?
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Yes! It's to keep the hair tidy! Very rare do you see younger boys wearing turbans.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Here is a question i've been asked.

Q: How can Guru Granth Sahib be true when it has the writings of various other men from different religions, i.e. Hindus and Muslims? God reveals through one messenger, like God revealed the Quran through Muhammad. How can God speak and give a message to 15 or 20 different people?

A: Islam teaches that God sends prophets to the nations, in different times and different places, to communicate His message. Since the beginning of time, Islam believes God has sent His guidance through these chosen people. They were human beings who walked among their people and taught them about faith in One Almighty God, and how to walk on the path of righteousness.

The Quran says that:

"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285).

It is believed that all prophets gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives. Since God is One, His message has been one and the same throughout time. In essence, all prophets taught the message of Islam - to find peace in your life through submission to the One Almighty Creator -- to believe in God and to follow His guidance.

Although only 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Qur'an, a Hadith (no. 21257 in Musnad Ibn Hanbal) mentions that there were 124,000 of them in total throughout history. Among the prophets that Muslims honour are: Adam, Enoch, Noah, Hud, Salih, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, Jacob, Josphet, Shu’aib, Job, Moses, Aaron, Ezekiel, David, Solomon, Elias, Elisha, Jonah, Zechariah, Jesus and Muhammad.


So God can speak through 124,000 people, which includes farmers and shepherds, and still reveal the same message, but apparently it’s not possible for the Almighty All-Powerful God to speak through 36 divine holy men? Where is the logic in that!

What i'm saying is who are these 124.000 other Prophets? If you read up about Bhagat Kabir Ji, Shiekh Bhagat Fareed JI, Bahgat Ram Dev etc you'll find that they were all ONE with the Lord!
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brother the mistake in your post is you are comparing god speaking to 124 000 prophets who are all of the one same religion,and god speaking to 20 odd different people in sikhsm who all have different believs about the existence of god and purpose of life.

In sikhism, correct me if i am wrong, there are texts from sikhs, hindus, muslims and christians and buddhists right. well only one of thse religions can be right. when god said in the qur'an islam is the perfected way of life for the rest of time, either this statement from God is right, or it is wrong (ie either it is from god, or it is not). either hinduism is right, or it is not.

One of the religions must be wrong, and misguided. It cant be from god, so basically men have created stories about God which are untrue. now why woulsd god communicate to his creation through opeople of man made religions who follow man made forms of worship of god
 
Alaikumassalam,

now I have a direct question

What is the Sikh teaching, in respect of the nature of Sikhi being within many places of Hindu Faith most strongly established, about so called 're-incarnation', but which might also be called 'transmigration of the soul'.

Is it a matter, like in Islam, which is dealt with in the grave between each individual and Allah through His Angels? Or are there vestiges of the Hindu teaching which enable inter-cultural debate?

It is worthy of consideration of whether there is any need to every express any further in Islam than the most basic of teachings about what happens in the grave and here after: but only because there are persons whom need to experience certainty in such matters before converting, and we really need for all such persons to be not left with only the many shaytans' wrongful comments upon the matter.

That is, I am wondering if Sikhs are with a very strong argument that actively expresses why it is that we refute the concept of re-incarnation? And also why we need not fear having so refuted.

There is a bit of a hot debate brewing over the whole matter here in Australia. But really it is only that it is brewing because of shaytan having been messing with Traditional Aboriginal teaching. That teaching being that we all were another part of the flora and fauna before we became, as we now are, Human, and we all will again here after so become again. It addresses the physical experience, but is also a direct reference to the journey of the Soul and that it may pass through fire and be saved.

So I am wondering if there is a precedent established by Sikhism which we may access if we need to within our own debate.

Wasalam
 
SSA,
i've been a qawwali fan for almost a decade. but in recent years, i also enjoy listening to sikh devotional music (esp. bhai nirmal singh). i think of all this as gurbani. (word of the guru - SGGS - right?)
my question is what is the difference between gurbani, shabad and kirtan?
the terms seem to be used interchangably - is that right?
thanks.
 
I went to a tea for an old hippy's fiftieth birthday in a teepee in a surburban back yard in Canberra; and there were kirtan in two parts and when the parts joined it sounded exactly at Hallehlujah.

it is too nice an anecdote about my mental associations with kirtan to pass up an opportunity of expressing
 
Mohsin said:
brother the mistake in your post is you are comparing god speaking to 124 000 prophets who are all of the one same religion,and god speaking to 20 odd different people in sikhsm who all have different believs about the existence of god and purpose of life.

In sikhism, correct me if i am wrong, there are texts from sikhs, hindus, muslims and christians and buddhists right. well only one of thse religions can be right. when god said in the qur'an islam is the perfected way of life for the rest of time, either this statement from God is right, or it is wrong (ie either it is from god, or it is not). either hinduism is right, or it is not.
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Incorrect, nothing from the following! 'christians and buddhists'

And you say from the same religion, but Christainity Judaism isn't the same as Islam, if it was, would the later not be all jews?

124.000 Prophets, i'm not disorting what the Quran says or twisting it, just trying to understand that God would have mentioned other Prophets, and not ones that create thier own religion, but tell us to worship ONLY one God, this is what the Guru's did and the Bhagats, Fakirs in the Guru Granth Sahib Lets not turn this into a qurarell just trying to work out what it said/written. :)
 
Curaezipirid said:
I went to a tea for an old hippy's fiftieth birthday in a teepee in a surburban back yard in Canberra; and there were kirtan in two parts and when the parts joined it sounded exactly at Hallehlujah.

it is too nice an anecdote about my mental associations with kirtan to pass up an opportunity of expressing
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Are you from a Sikh background?
 
snakelegs said:
SSA,
i've been a qawwali fan for almost a decade. but in recent years, i also enjoy listening to sikh devotional music (esp. bhai nirmal singh). i think of all this as gurbani. (word of the guru - SGGS - right?)
my question is what is the difference between gurbani, shabad and kirtan?
the terms seem to be used interchangably - is that right?
thanks.
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They mean the same thing!

Gurbani = Words from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji (sung or read)

Shabad = Word (Also from Guru Granth Sahib Ji)

Kirtan = Devotional music, all from the (Guru Granth Sahib Ji) This is sung rahter than read!

All the above are done from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, NOTHING other than the praise of GOD can be found in it. as you may know. No homage paid to Guru, Bhagat, Fakir or holyman etc.Just Allah
 
snakelegs said:
SSA,
i've been a qawwali fan for almost a decade. but in recent years, i also enjoy listening to sikh devotional music (esp. bhai nirmal singh). i think of all this as gurbani. (word of the guru - SGGS - right?)
my question is what is the difference between gurbani, shabad and kirtan?
the terms seem to be used interchangably - is that right?
thanks.
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Never heard 'qawwali' songs.... is it the same as arabic classical songs sung by Um Kulthum, Farid Al Atrache or Asmahaan?
 
north_malaysian said:
How about 'bhangra'? Is it part of Sikh religious song too?:rollseyes
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NO! That's culture! Bhangra is forbidden, actually any form of dancing or songs with lyrics other than the praise of the Lord is.

I'll find the quote but it goes something like this 'Dancing, singing are the jobs of kanjarian (shameless)

The punjabi culture has a lot to answer for!
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
NO! That's culture! Bhangra is forbidden, actually any form of dancing or songs with lyrics other than the praise of the Lord is.

I'll find the quote but it goes something like this 'Dancing, singing are the jobs of kanjarian (shameless)

The punjabi culture has a lot to answer for!
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Huh!!!:rollseyes Actually Malaysian Sikh Association always send their bhangra troups to dance in Malaysian festivals....
 

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