Sikhism

[AvarAllahNoor]

No wonder.... the Sikhs also took longer leave on Diwali....

But this year it's public holiday from 21st October (Diwali) until 25th October
(2nd Day of Eid) ... 5 days holiday for all Malaysians....

My firm grants us holiday leave from 21st October until 29th October.....

We don't get a holiday for it here in the UK

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Sikhs and muslims have been friendly throughout history (although hatred between the two has been encouraged by a select few) just because of a few select battles does not make us enemies. As you can read Guru ji had recruited many Muslims in his army (Not coverted, as this was not his mission.

Plus the foundations of the most sacred Sikh site 'Darbar Sahib' or known as 'Golden Temple' (As Mecca is to muslims) was laid down my 'Sian Mian Mir' so explain this if you think Muslims and Sikhs arre bitter enemies

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

The hatred between the two stems from the conflicts they had at the times of the Guru's (as is reminded to all SIkh's by pictures and statues of the Mogul/Sikh wars in most Gurdwara's)
Also in India the battle over Kashmir has done little to help this issue as much of the Indian army is comprised of the Sikh's.

Ignorant people on both sides use these conflicts (and others to justify their hatred for each other). - Although many Muslim people do not know who the Sikh's are or what they believe in. If you ask most Muslim's who their enemy is, they will say "Shaytan (Satan) the cursed one is our enemy."
Im not sure if it is the same with the SIkh's though.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

The Sikhs celebrate this day as Bandi Chhorh Divas i.e., "the day of release of detainees", because the sixth Nanak had agreed to his release on the condition that the other fifty-two detainees would also be released. These other fifty-two detainees were the vassal kings who had done something to annoy the emperor.

Do you think it is coincidence that this 'ritual' - (Not empty) was on almost the exact day as Diwali, which is also celebrated with lanterns and candles.

I remember hearing that christmas was made to coincide with the pagan holidays so that it made assimilation of the two faith's easier.

Just a thought!

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Explain that to the many muslims who create sites that claim Guru Nanak was a muslim. If he was, then why do they not praise him? (some do our of respect, unlike others) Fact is he never followed Islam or hinduism. Some muslims say Sikhs are the 'Military' section of Islam. I've not heard anything more ludicrous.

BTW - God is above and within . Even Jesus said that in his gospel!

All this has been covered before. :rollseyes

Yeah they also said 'God had a son':rollseyes

Cant believe everything you read

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Why do Gurdwara's have pictures of their Guru's?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Why do Gurdwara's have pictures of their Guru's?

This goes back to the times after Guru Gobind Singh Ji. - Sikhs were a few and the Gurdwaras were taken over by 'Massands' (Brahmical Hindus) and they started creating images of Guru's and installing idols into Gurdwaras. Once the Sikhs were capable they demoished all idols and disoposed of all illustrations. - Just like you find images of 'Ali' the second in line (depending on which sect you adere to) you can find images of him and Mohammed.

It's against our religion to worship/prostrate before an effigy or image of anyone. - In many Gurdwaras they have removed pictures. But still a few Gurdwaras have them but we have to remember most of the people who think this way, originate from india, and like the saying goes. 'You can take the person out of....etc.

Gur Fateh

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Yeah they also said 'God had a son':rollseyes

Cant believe everything you read

I said the Gospel of Jesus, not sure you're aware of the Goespel he wrote. The Catholic Church refuse to aknowledge it, wonder why, as it speaks the truth!

Jesus quotes ''The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you'' Imagine if the church came to believe in this, it'll be the end of the chruch!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Do you think it is coincidence that this 'ritual' - (Not empty) was on almost the exact day as Diwali, which is also celebrated with lanterns and candles.

I remember hearing that christmas was made to coincide with the pagan holidays so that it made assimilation of the two faith's easier.

Just a thought!

When i was young i thought we celebrated Divali too because of Rama and Sita as the hindus do. (Elders knew nothing of Sikhi, as they do now)

Yes it falls more or less at the same time, but completely different to why we celebrate it.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

The hatred between the two stems from the conflicts they had at the times of the Guru's (as is reminded to all SIkh's by pictures and statues of the Mogul/Sikh wars in most Gurdwara's)
Also in India the battle over Kashmir has done little to help this issue as much of the Indian army is comprised of the Sikh's.
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Well i agree with the above statment. I wonder if we'll have statues to cemorate the massacre and desecration of the Darbar Sahib' back in 1984 by hindus? After all that too is now part of our history!

About the Army, don't be fooled by the mere adorning of a turban. It does not make one a Sikh. They recruit a few Sikhs, But not proper Sikhs. - They delibrately push these so called 'Sikhs' into the front so more hatred can be fuelled between the two. It's all part of the whole process, carried out by hindus - Hindus kill Proper Sikhs, Millions to this day.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

I said the Gospel of Jesus, not sure you're aware of the Goespel he wrote. The Catholic Church refuse to aknowledge it, wonder why, as it speaks the truth!

Jesus quotes ''The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you'' Imagine if the church came to believe in this, it'll be the end of the chruch!

Im sure it says 'Kingdom' of God and not 'God himself.'

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Well i agree with the above statment. I wonder if we'll have statues to cemorate the massacre and desecration of the Darbar Sahib' back in 1984 by hindus? After all that too is now part of our history!

About the Army, don't be fooled by the mere adorning of a turban. It does not make one a Sikh. They recruit a few Sikhs, But not proper Sikhs. - They delibrately push these so called 'Sikhs' into the front so more hatred can be fuelled between the two. It's all part of the whole process, carried out by hindus - Hindus kill Proper Sikhs, Millions to this day.

It's true, their are many issues and percicutions that the SIkh's have and do still face. It's a shame that the hindu national party (BJP) got into power recently. Im sure they do little for Sikh interents.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

This goes back to the times after Guru Gobind Singh Ji. - Sikhs were a few and the Gurdwaras were taken over by 'Massands' (Brahmical Hindus) and they started creating images of Guru's and installing idols into Gurdwaras. Once the Sikhs were capable they demoished all idols and disoposed of all illustrations. - Just like you find images of 'Ali' the second in line (depending on which sect you adere to) you can find images of him and Mohammed.

It's against our religion to worship/prostrate before an effigy or image of anyone. - In many Gurdwaras they have removed pictures. But still a few Gurdwaras have them but we have to remember most of the people who think this way, originate from india, and like the saying goes. 'You can take the person out of....etc.

Gur Fateh

Ive never seen a picture of either Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) or Muhammed (saw))
Their have been films and documentaries on the prophet (pbuh) and even then they refuse to even have a actor portray him (saw). You must have heard about the uproar regarding the cartoon of the prophet caused.

Doesnt it annoy you though that the Sikh institutions cant even get it right when it comes to important issues like Pictures and Idols and having Gurdawa?

What hope is their for the rest then?

I find many Sikh's are very confused about their faith. (As im sure many muslims are about theirs (sects of Islam)

 

[justahumane]

Nope, their is plenty of incentive to follow this last path.
Anyway their is hell-fire for those who reject faith. It is Just a warning for what to come.

I rather don't think hell-fire is the main reason for converting, otherwise it should also be a good reason for christian not to convert to Islam.

Lets see whether ALLAH is more concerned about himself or his beloved creations. We have some undoubtedly pious muslims who didnt fail to give away their lives to become martyrs for so called cause of ALLAH, on the other hand we have a Mushrik lady like Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in serving those who were down trodden.

Personally I will love to live in company of Mother rather than pious muslims, hereafter. May ALLAH grant me what I wish, Ameen.

 

[justahumane]

The message is not false. you may believe what you will but the end of days is a certainty. And you will be held accountable for how you have lived your life.

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Islam condems killing Innocent people.

We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33).

According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See Holy Quran Surah 5:32.)

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Lets see whether ALLAH is more concerned about himself or his beloved creations. We have some undoubtedly pious muslims who didnt fail to give away their lives to become martyrs for so called cause of ALLAH, on the other hand we have a Mushrik lady like Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in serving those who were down trodden.

Personally I will love to live in company of Mother rather than pious muslims, hereafter. May ALLAH grant me what I wish, Ameen.

Are you talking about your mother or mother Teresa?

If its your mother then the following Hadith, saying of the prophet will answer your question

Abu Huraira reported that a person came to Allah, 's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Who among the people is most deserving of a fine treatment from my hand? He said: Your mother. He again said: Then who (is the next one)? He said: Again it is your mother (who deserves the best treatment from you). He said: Then who (is the next one)? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Again, it is your mother. He (again) said: Then who? Thereupon he said: Then it is your father. In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Qutalba, there is no mention of the word" the people".

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Lets see whether ALLAH is more concerned about himself or his beloved creations. We have some undoubtedly pious muslims who didnt fail to give away their lives to become martyrs for so called cause of ALLAH, on the other hand we have a Mushrik lady like Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in serving those who were down trodden.

Personally I will love to live in company of Mother rather than pious muslims, hereafter. May ALLAH grant me what I wish, Ameen.

Regarding Mother Teresa, only Allah knows what faith she died upon. She may have taken her shahada (declaration) before she died.

Also we do not know what reason a person sincerly does a task for.
Do they do it for themselves? i.e forrecognition of acheivement, or to be remembered in this world?

Or do they do it sincerley for Allah?

Sincerity is an important aspect of faith.

If you are sincerley looking for the truth, you shall find it.

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

We are not here to do service for humans, we are here to worship God (Allah) This may include doing service (charity) to people.

So do you believe in reincarnation then?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ive never seen a picture of either Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) or Muhammed (saw))
Their have been films and documentaries on the prophet (pbuh) and even then they refuse to even have a actor portray him (saw). You must have heard about the uproar regarding the cartoon of the prophet caused.

Doesnt it annoy you though that the Sikh institutions cant even get it right when it comes to important issues like Pictures and Idols and having Gurdawa?

What hope is their for the rest then?

I find many Sikh's are very confused about their faith. (As im sure many muslims are about theirs (sects of Islam)

Indeed. But the new generation who have no connection with hinduism (beacause we reside here, and the USA) have taken it upon themselves to distance Sikhs from such practices. - It's happening though.

As for Ali, if you google you can find pictures, and i was told by a shia (i think) that they allow pictures of him, unlike others. It's not the correct practice of all muslims, i know that.

BTW - We don't have idols of Guru's. And no portrayal of any Guru's by actors is premitted.

.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

It's true, their are many issues and percicutions that the SIkh's have and do still face. It's a shame that the hindu national party (BJP) got into power recently. Im sure they do little for Sikh interents.

Manmohan 'Singh' PM of india is not a Sikh, if he was he'd have at least arranged arrests of people who particpated in killing of Sikhs today. (Some say we live in the past) but imagine, 1 Million Baptised Sikhs killed just randomly. In hte Punjab, drugs are liquior are avaible much more cheaper than anywhere else in india, why? So they can reduce the amount of baptised Sikhs. But a revival is ahead, and htey fear this more than ever!