Sikhism

Hanif_Revert said:
You are sitting here telling me that the book has no claim to reincarnation!!!!
Yet most Huindu's are upon this!!! and idol worshipping on top of that.

I agree that the Vedas originally calls to worship of one god and the Krishna's, etc. were all holy people, but that is another story.

We have already touched on the attrocoties that some Hindu's have done, but your right, its not in your your nature to fight or kill right?
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Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.

U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.

Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
 
justahumane said:
No question of any offence brother, U can say anything.

I think that U are talking about the charity/zakat issue. Plz eleborate further whats ur point.

ALLAH knows best, till now its ur only comment I m able to be agree with U.

thanks
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There will always be poor on this earth, unless every single person on the planet gave 2-4% of their wealth away, and it could be distributed evenly.

No country has the ability to give away this amount and completley abolish poverty because the figures wouldnt work on such a small scale. (Especially when the majority of rich people are in the west.)

I think if you want to debate Islam and Hinduism we should open another thread because this one is large enough with just the topic of Sikhism!!

Open one and i will join you there insha Allah.
 
justahumane said:
Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.

U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.

Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
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Well i have some hindu friends who would be pretty worried to know their 'way of life' is not a religion.

Open another thread matey and insha Allah i will join you there
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Look people in your religion creates temples for rats and the sun. Need I say anymore?

How misunderstood do you want to get?

http://www.freewebs.com/thomas/Rats-1.htm

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...8/Things_To_Do-Jaipur-Monkey_Temple-BR-1.html
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Brother I request u with folded hands that plz come out of ur ignorance and stop calling hindu a religion, coz its not. And what u mean by ppls of my religion created temples for rats and the sun? do U subscribe to the school fo thought of those ppls who says that U are a muslim therefore U are a terrorist? A word for wise is enough, so plz stop showing me what silly things ppls of my religion are doing and instead concentrate what ppls of ur religion are doing and giving the great religion a bad name.

Thanks
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Aoothu Billah!!!!
(I seek refuge)

This is where i (personally) have a problem. You believe that we can actually become like Allah? The Lord and Creater of All?

You think He took parts of himself and let them try and 'somehow' get back to him through good deeds and rememberence?

A'Stagfir Allah!!

This is where Sikhism and Islam totally differ, as we call this Shirk (ascribing partners with Allah)

Dont come back at me with the whole 'If a bottle falls into the 'one' sea is the sea not within and all around the bottle' because that for me is useless.
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No we can't become Godlike, Soory that was a misquote by me.

Waheguru Satnaam!
 
justahumane said:
Brother, vedas are not divine book nor it claims to be divine. Vedas were written by human beings who thought themselves to be patrons of religion.

U are living in darkness of ignorence if u think that hindu is a religion, plz come out of it.

Its human nature to fight and kill coz shaitan is not a seperate entity as Islam suggests, shaitan is very much inside us. The only difference is that the book u are quoting doesnt asks anyone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN. Thus it gives nobody a chance to kill someone and declare that I killed coz BHAGVAN wanted me to kill according to the book. Plz stop thinking that muslims have sole right over terrorism, anyone can be terrorists as some hindus are too.
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Yes everyone has a personal Shaytan (not within) who whispers to you.
Ok, so because your religion doesnt have any rules so what makes you say that it is wrong to have them?

Even Sikhism realises that struggle in the way of God is nescisary when required.
To you to base your claims of it not being from Allah on this is pretty narrow minded.
There are threads on this forum All'hamdollinllah that deal with this issue.

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13998-prove-quran-word-god.html

Te beauty of the Quran is that it leaves no question that we may need, unanswered
Suban Allah
 
justahumane said:
Brother I request u with folded hands that plz come out of ur ignorance and stop calling hindu a religion, coz its not. And what u mean by ppls of my religion created temples for rats and the sun? do U subscribe to the school fo thought of those ppls who says that U are a muslim therefore U are a terrorist? A word for wise is enough, so plz stop showing me what silly things ppls of my religion are doing and instead concentrate what ppls of ur religion are doing and giving the great religion a bad name.

Thanks
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Your right, apparently, from your point of view I dont know enough about your faith to make an assumption so please open a new thread and let me know when you have.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Everybody is a Sikh, they just don't realise it yet...
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Again, will the world be full of just practicing Sikhs in Gurdwara's, with no birds, fish, insects, mammals, reptiles, plants or tree's (as they would all need to become human in order for them to ascend?)
 
justahumane said:
Oh thanks Sis, I never know that we have someone with such divine authority to declare things like that. good to have U sister. may ALLAH bless U.

Thanks
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yea well that was when i was thinking the same as hanif. But since u said it came out wrong i thought to myself " ok thats fine." So i apologize. I only answered you according to how u commented :)

May Allah(swt) guide you :)
Peace
 
SSA,
sikhism is also a revealed religion (like The Big 3) as it was revealed to the guru nanak and the other gurus by god - is that right?
does sikhism consider itself to be The One True Religion in the sense that christians and muslims do?
thanks
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Sorry, went on a bit of a tangent there!!!

OK, so what di you mean then?

If we are to be 'one' with god than surely we must be (mini gods) in your eye's?
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No, we 'merge' in the sense once we've lived our life to the command of the Lord, we then remain with him/her in Heaven.
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Again, will the world be full of just practicing Sikhs in Gurdwara's, with no birds, fish, insects, mammals, reptiles, plants or tree's (as they would all need to become human in order for them to ascend?)
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I sense sarcasm! - Sikh means 'Learner' so you as a muslim are learning about Islam, so in that sense you'd be called a Sikh too. Unless of course you think you have all the knowldege of Islam, they of course i'd be wrong!

Now back to your point. God makes all the world and along with the creations.
 
snakelegs said:
SSA,
sikhism is also a revealed religion (like The Big 3) as it was revealed to the Guru Nanak and the other gurus by God - is that right?
does sikhism consider itself to be The One True Religion in the sense that christians and muslims do?
thanks
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Yes it was revealed by God to Guru Nanak and the other 9 Guru's

No, Sikhs don't claim we alone are the true religion, but remember the first people to covert to Sikhism (Guru Nanaks time) were Muslims and Hindus. They saw the real and unique message that other religions lacked/moved away from - Sikhi teaches all relgions are from the Lord. If those that think that's rubbish, ask them what makes them know the Omnipotence of God, and why they think this!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Yes it was revealed by God to Guru Nanak and the other 9 Guru's

No, Sikhs don't claim we alone are the true religion, but remember the first people to covert to Sikhism (Guru Nanaks time) were Muslims and Hindus. They saw the real and unique message that other religions lacked/moved away from - Sikhi teaches all relgions are from the Lord. If those that think that's rubbish, ask them what makes them know the Omnipotence of God, and why they think this!
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This is where islam totally disagrees with sikhism

How can more than one religion be rioght. how can god create more than one religion. gos is erfect, he doesnt err or make mistakes. If X is a way to salvation, then Y isnt. If after we die we go to heaven/hell, then there is no reincarnation. If jesus is a prophet, then he isnt son of god. If god is one, then there isnt more than one god. Why would god create religions which contradict each other. UI've asked this several times on this thread before but AvarAllahnoor always avoided the question, just like he will now. He'll claim to have answered it, but in reality when the brother did eventually reply to it he didnt answer the question completely, just answered in riddle form i'm sad to say. this aspect of sikhism i find is the most difficult 4 me to understand.
 
Mohsin said:
This is where islam totally disagrees with sikhism

How can more than one religion be rioght. how can god create more than one religion. gos is erfect, he doesnt err or make mistakes. If X is a way to salvation, then Y isnt. If after we die we go to heaven/hell, then there is no reincarnation. If jesus is a prophet, then he isnt son of god. If god is one, then there isnt more than one god. Why would god create religions which contradict each other. UI've asked this several times on this thread before but AvarAllahnoor always avoided the question, just like he will now. He'll claim to have answered it, but in reality when the brother did eventually reply to it he didnt answer the question completely, just answered in riddle form i'm sad to say. this aspect of sikhism i find is the most difficult 4 me to understand.
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Ok, brother i've not avoided it but you dont seem to grasp what is said in relation to it. :)

All religions were formed by God, but during the process (centuries passing) the sacred scriptures of all the faiths have been corrupted. (now who's going to admit to this) in the Guru Granth Sahib it states this aong with the verse about 'Kuran, Torah, Bible, and Vedas being true. (But before the scriptures were meddled with) Now Muslims claim the Torah and Bible have been meddled with, this is obvious. But you deny the Quran has been meddled with, correct?

So now can you understand. It's as simple as that. and not as difficult to grasp. God saw this and sent Guru Nanak on a mission to rectify this. But today once again the world is in turmoil. And only he knows what he's planning or planned

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

BTW - Can anyone name a holy scripture written by the Prophet of their faith, and not by disiples?? None spring to mind other than the Sikhs 'Guru Granth Sahib' which was written by Guru Arjan Dev ji the fifth Guru. And many reputable historians refer to this major fact.. :)
 
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