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Guru Nanak was a nice man, and he mixed hinduism and islam to avoid conflict between both parties. Its sad he failedf to see the truth in islam and used alot of quranic verses in some of his books, especially abt the sun and the moon being a sphere?

Some of his teachings are good. Like he taught hindoos to forsake teir silly superstitions, like in one story hindoos were pouring water in a field saying that it will reach the dead, Guru Nanak upon seeing this took some water and threw the other side n said to the hindoos that by throwing water here it will reach his padi fields.

But alot of his teachings are from the Quran.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
You keep saying God is not everywhere, please tell me where he is??

When it pleases God, He becomes sarguna and manifests Himself in creation. He becomes immanent in His created universe, which is His own emanation, an aspect of Himself. As says Guru Amar Das, Nanak III, "This (so-called) poison, the world, that you see is God's picture; it is God's outline that we see" (GG, 922). Most names of God are His attributive, action-related signifiers, kirtam nam (GG, 1083)


Immanence or All-pervasiveness of God, however, does not limit or in any way affect His transcendence. He is Transcendent and Immanent at the same time. The Creation is His lila or cosmic play. He enjoys it, pervades it, yet Himself remains unattached.

Guru Arjan describes Him in several hymns as "Unattached and Unentangled in the midst of all" (GG, 102, 294, 296); and "Amidst all, yet outside of all, free from love and hate" (GG, 784-85). Creation is His manifestation, but, being conditioned by space and time, it provides only a partial and imperfect glimpse of the Timeless and Boundless Supreme Being.
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Im sure this thread is about Sikhi, and these questions must have been answered on another thread but i will indulge you.

"Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]

"And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[3:55]

Jabir ibn Abdillah said: "The Messenger of Allah said in his speech on the day of Arafah: 'Did I convey (the Message).' They said: 'Yes.' While raising his finger to the sky and then pointing at them, he said: 'O my Lord, be a witness." [Muslim]

He is above the creation in a manner that befits his majesty.
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Im sure this thread is about Sikhi, and these questions must have been answered on another thread but i will indulge you.

"Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]

"And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[3:55]

Jabir ibn Abdillah said: "The Messenger of Allah said in his speech on the day of Arafah: 'Did I convey (the Message).' They said: 'Yes.' While raising his finger to the sky and then pointing at them, he said: 'O my Lord, be a witness." [Muslim]

He is above the creation in a manner that befits his majesty.
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Brother, i mean this most sincerely wonderful quotes! :)

But i fail to see the relevance, are you saying by this ' 'Yes.' While raising his finger to the sky and then pointing at them, he said: 'O my Lord, be a witness." it implies Allah is only above? Please answer, so i can then explain abit more!
 
shanu said:
Guru Nanak was a nice man, and he mixed hinduism and islam to avoid conflict between both parties. Its sad he failedf to see the truth in islam and used alot of quranic verses in some of his books, especially abt the sun and the moon being a sphere?

But alot of his teachings are from the Quran.
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Sister Thanks for joining the chat. :)

Similarities can be found between the Bible and the Quran, does that mean the Quran was copied by Mohammed? No

This is a long post and has been posted before no doubt. But this will put an end to all claims on Guru Nanak and the combining of both religions. (I hope)





When the Guru arrived, weary and footsore, in Makka, he went and sat in the great mosque where pilgrims were engaged in their devotions. His disregard of Moslem customs soon involved him in difficulties. When he lay down to sleep at night he turned his feet towards the Kaaba. An Arab priest kicked him and said, 'Who is this sleeping infidel? Why hast thou, O sinner, turned thy feet towards God?' The Guru replied, 'Turn my feet in a direction in which God is not.'[1] Upon this the priest seized the Guru's feet and dragged them in the opposite direction, whereupon, it is said, the temple turned round, and followed the revolution of his body. Some understand this in a spiritual sense, and say it means that Guru Nanak made all Makka turn to his teaching. Those who witnessed this miracle were astonished and saluted the Guru as a supernatural being.

The Qazis and the Mullas crowded round the Guru, and interrogated him on the subject of his religion. They admitted that he had accomplished a great feat, but the source of his power was not apparent. They opened his book, and seeing that it was on religious subjects, inquired which was


E se, dov' ei dimora,
Non intendesti ancora,
Confondimi, se puoi;
Dimmi dov' ei non è.
(Metastasio.)


Superior, the Hindu or the Muhammadan religion. The Guru replied, 'Without good acts the professors of both religions shall suffer. Neither the Hindus nor the Muhammadans shall obtain entrance into God's court. All their devotions shall vanish like the fleeting dye of safflower. Both sects are jealous of each other. The Hindus insist on saying Ram and the Moslems Rahim, but they know not the one God. On that occasion the Guru uttered the following hymn in the Tilang measure:--

Thy fasting and worship shall be acceptable
When thou, O man, keepest watch over the ten apertures of thy body, hatest the world,
Chastenest thy mind, restrainest thy sight, and fleest worldly desires and wranglings.
Every day of the month offer thy love to the Lord thus shalt thou be recognized as pure and gentle.
Keep the fast of meditation, and let the renunciation of pleasure be thy dance;
Keep watch over thy heart, so shalt thou be a really learned man;
Abandon delights, ease, evil speaking, mental anxiety, and vexation;
Treasure kindness in thy heart, and renounce the devices of infidelity;
Extinguish the fire of lust in thy heart, and thus become cool.
Saith Nanak, thus practise fasting, and thy faith shall be perfect.'[1]

When the Guru had finished, the Qazi said, 'Well done! I have to-day for the first time seen a real saint of God.' The Qazi then went and told the high priest that the darwesh Nanak had arrived. The high priest went to see him, shook hands with him and sat down beside him. He thanked God that Guru Nanak had come.

The high priest asked Nanak if the Hindus who read the Veds, and the Musalmans who read the Quran, should or should not find God.

The high priest then asked how God might be obtained by men. The Guru replied that it was by humility and prayer. He added the following hymn in the Persian language:--

I make one supplication before Thee; lend Thine ear, O Creator.


O God, Thou art great and merciful; Thou art the faultless Cherisher.
The world is a perishable abode; O my heart, know this as the truth.
Azrail[1] seizeth me by the hair of my head; yet thou knowest it not, O my heart.
There shall be no wife, no son, no father, no brother, no one to take my hand.
There shall be no one to hinder my falling at last when my fate[2] cometh.
I have passed my nights and days in vanity, and my thoughts have been evil.
I have never done a good act-this is my condition;
I am unfortunate, I am also miserly and negligent; I see not, and I fear not.
Nanak saith, I am Thy slave, and the dust of the feet of Thy servants.[3]

The high priest then asked the Guru to tell him the composition of matter, the nature of the God he adored, how He was to be found, and in what consisted the essence of his religion. The Guru replied again in the Persian language:--

Know that according to the Musalmans everything is produced from air, fire, water, and earth;
But the pure God created the world out of five elements.[4]
However high man may leap, he shall fall on the earth again.
Even though a bird fly, it cannot compete in endurance with the torrent and the wind which move by God's will.
How great shall I call God? to whom shall I go to in quire regarding Him?


He is the greatest of the great, and great is His world men depart in their pride.[1]
I have consulted the four Veds, but these writings find not God's limits.
I have consulted the four books of the Muhammadans, but God s worth is not described in them.
I have consulted the nine regions of the earth; one improveth upon what the other saith.
Having turned my heart into a boat, I have searched in every sea;
I have dwelt by rivers and streams, and bathed at the sixty-eight places of pilgrimage;
I have lived among the forests and glades of the three worlds and eaten bitter and sweet;
I have seen the seven nether regions and heavens upon heavens.
And I, Nanak, say man shall be true to his faith if he fear God and do good works.[1]
 
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Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji!

in reply to the post regarding a tree for 4500 years or wat not, the fact is, do we know how long there has been human existance? do we know how bad deeds could be to obtain that life time? how do we know that the life souce isnt the leaves and not the tree?? its all Gods play! theres accounts where people can actually remember previouse life times. i have a recording of a muslim ghost, speaking of his previous lives, and saying what dharam raaj commanded him! ( Judge in the court of the lord). yes human bacteria could be a life. it doesnt matter. its all Gods play. what so ever he wishes to do, will happen. Allah knows best! Dhan Guru Nanak ji, to Sri Guru Granth sahib ji.. nothing but the principles of humanity has been taught to the world. the depths of the afterlife. the depths of Gurbani itself! and to understand this, you need to experience this. Guru Nanak never said his path was the right way, and everyone else was wrong. however with love he helped people to see how they could be better muslims, and follow Muhammads message how he intended. and the Same goes for hindus, and the rest of the human race! equailty of all humans. equal rights, love for all, conquring your mind, whilst living a normal life. being a good person, and all ways with each and every breath uttering allahs name (for those of you that will argue that this is not possible, it is, with the breath) i know some high spirtitual Gursikhs that there is recordings of, and heard myself that there is the name of God being uttered by parts of there body!!!believe it or not!
 
ultimate truth said:
Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji!

theres accounts where people can actually remember previouse life times. i have a recording of a muslim ghost, speaking of his previous lives, and saying what dharam raaj commanded him! ( Judge in the court of the lord).

i know some high spirtitual Gursikhs that there is recordings of, and heard myself that there is the name of God being uttered by parts of there body!!!believe it or not!
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These mystical experiences can all be explained by the presence of Jinn. An unseen race of creatures that live longer than us, can take the form of living creatures and can posses humans.
There are some of the Jinn that make it their business to mislead man from the path of true worship.

Allah knows best
 
Hanif_Revert said:
Do sikhs bilieve there are 8.4 million life forms?


http://www.sikhworld.co.uk/page32.html
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You may ask where we get this figure from....

This Big Bang... the explosion which is defined by scientists as The Big Bang Theory results in the creation of the Cosmos... a Cosmos consisting of many universes and each universe consisting of many galaxies and Milky Ways... and one galaxy consisting of billions of stars and solar systems... and one star like the sun having a few planets revolving around it. And out of the many planets... Our planet Mother Earth... the moment it has conducive environment worthy of living... the Souls manifest one after another and starts the journey of life on Mother Earth!

The Big Bang Theory... the Concept in itself is irrefutable and undeniable for the basic reason that no other Theory or Concept holds good. The Enlightened masters like Mahavira, Gautama Buddha, Guru Nanak, Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed knew of this irrefutable Concept and Theory (The Big Bang Theory) the moment they became enlightened. For an Enlightened Soul to be able to understand the Concept of Spirituality from the beginning to the end of Cosmos becomes a reality.

The Big Bang Theory has its roots in the Concept that the entire purified Souls combine together to form something we know as God the Almighty. And this God the Almighty unable to contain itself for long because of the inherent massive energy within explodes with a Big Bang and this results in the start of a new Cosmos... a new journey!

Proceeding further we need to understand that these purified Souls (Atmans) which have now scattered all over the Cosmos start gaining impurities on their cosmic journey. And it is only after the dross within is removed from the Souls that they shall become free forever from manifesting further bodies.

As the whole Cosmos cools down gradually... the system gives birth to many planets and out of these planets some of them become conducive for beginning of life with passage of time. And what is this life we are talking of? Are we talking of the insect life, the plant life, the animal life or the world of human beings themselves?

Every Soul (Atman) like the metal embedded in any metal ore cannot separate itself from the impurities contained therein. And to cleanse itself of the impurities... every Soul (Atman) requires a body. And thus starts the cosmic journey of a Soul (an Atman)!

The journey of this Soul (Atman) starts as an amoeba (single cell formation)... The first manifestation in the cosmic journey of 8.4 million manifestations... ending with the form of a human being (the last stage in the series of various manifestations) finally to gain Salvation and come back to its original pristine form. The moment cosmic journey of all Jiva (life forms) end with the Dissolution of the Cosmos... starts a new Cosmos confirming The Big Bang Theory.

The journey from first manifestation to the 8.4 millionth manifestation explains the Concept of Evolution as detailed by Charles Darwin. A long cosmic journey of 8.4 million manifestations and a total period of 96.4 million earthly years is necessitated before the Soul can come back to its original pristine form and it is in the last stages as a human being that the Soul shall gain Salvation... liberation from the cycle of various manifestations for ever and finally become free until the start of a new Cosmos with a new Big Bang (The Big Bang Theory).

Science is baccking the claims SGGS makes!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:


The journey of this Soul (Atman) starts as an amoeba (single cell formation)... The first manifestation in the cosmic journey of 8.4 million manifestations... ending with the form of a human being (the last stage in the series of various manifestations) finally to gain Salvation and come back to its original pristine form. The moment cosmic journey of all Jiva (life forms) end with the Dissolution of the Cosmos... starts a new Cosmos confirming The Big Bang Theory.

The journey from first manifestation to the 8.4 millionth manifestation explains the Concept of Evolution as detailed by Charles Darwin. A long cosmic journey of 8.4 million manifestations and a total period of 96.4 million earthly years is necessitated before the Soul can come back to its original pristine form and it is in the last stages as a human being that the Soul shall gain Salvation... liberation from the cycle of various manifestations for ever and finally become free until the start of a new Cosmos with a new Big Bang (The Big Bang Theory).

Science is baccking the claims SGGS makes!
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We wont start on evolution because this theory is completly false and must have been covered on a thread somewhere on this Forum.
Big bang is also stated in the Quran:

The heavens and the earth were one before they were ripped apart. Life started in the water and living things are mostly water [21:30].

The heavens are expanding [51:47]. Modern science tells us that the universe was started from a singularity. The pictures taken by Edwin Hubbell in Mount Wilson observatory in 1929 showed that the universe was expanding which led to the Big Bang theory

So 96.4 million years from start to end?
And if we do not attain Sach khand in this human life we start again?
 
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Hanif_Revert said:
We wont start on evolution because this theory is completly false and must have been covered on a thread somewhere on this Forum.
Big bang is also stated in the Quran:

The heavens and the earth were one before they were ripped apart. Life started in the water and living things are mostly water [21:30].

The heavens are expanding [51:47]. Modern science tells us that the universe was started from a singularity. The pictures taken by Edwin Hubbell in Mount Wilson observatory in 1929 showed that the universe was expanding which led to the Big Bang theory

So 96.4 million years from start to end?
And if we do not attain Sach khand in this human life we start again?
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Re-birth....
 
you remerge with Allah if you have done good deeds, and have remebered God in this life. lived honest live. conqured 5 evils. or else you are sent back into the cycle of life and death. this is the only chance in the 8.4 million lives to break free. or else you undergo the cycle once again
 
Thats quite a few people going to be going through the 90 odd million tear re-cycle again after their chance then. Poor guys.
 
hi

today I saw a Sikh man belong
walking along
wearing an orange turban
with a red shirt on

my mind instantly associatively connected he
with the Dreaming belonging to King Solomon
of phoenix strong
Why?

true this is happening to me
despite being in poetry
what is it his dress has signified in reality?

thanking all answers formally before framed of kind of mind
Sikhi truly the believing
but why?

Is a long kind of try
to explain this day of my
wonderment that I
but for the last every prophesy
is that repeating kind
never ending until fulfilling
so shall I?

Alaykumuassalamu wa Ramathuallahi wa Rabarakathuhu
 

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