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cali dude said:
No I don't give in at all. I won't refer to Waheguru as Allah. I don't know what exactly Allah means and my assumption is that Mohammad Sahib introduced this word. What I do know is that this word describes relationship of the person, who introduced this word, with the creator. This is the word how that person thought of the creator. If I agreed with everything in Islam, then yes it would make sense for me to refer to Waheguru as Allah. But I am not even familiar with everything in Islam and I do disagree with with some of what I know about through some of the people. So it doesn't make sense , at least for me, to refer to Waheguru as Allah on a regular basis. God is an English word and since we are all communicating in English, it should be OK to refer to Him as God. Plus, I think Sikhi has a lot more in common with Chrisitianity as far as humanity goes...

I hope you realize that this isn't trivial...
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Well go and preach it in the Gurdwara and see what response you get from a Giani who has studied Sikhi and SGGS!

Gur Fateh Brother!
 
Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.
The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name. |
 
Philosopher said:
Do Sikhs call their God Allah? How is their God different from the Muslim God?

Thanks.
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When it comes to God and creator, creator is what can be the same in all religions.

Word God describes how Jesus saw the creator, Allah describes how whoever came up with this term saw the creator and Waheguru describes how Guru Nanak Dev Ji saw the creator.

These terms could refer to the same thing only if there were no difference among religions.

Even a slighest difference in religions shows that religions are different. Therefore what's referred to as God, Allah, or Waheguru could not be the same.
 
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cali dude said:
When it comes to God and creator, creator is what can be the same in all religions.

Word God describes how Jesus saw the creator, Allah describes how whoever came up with this term saw the creator and Waheguru describes how Guru Nanak Dev Ji saw the creator.

These terms could refer to the same thing only if there were no difference among religions.

Even a slighest difference in religions shows that religions are different. Therefore what's referred to as God, Allah, or Waheguru could not be the same.
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Are all prophets in Sikhism Indian?
 
cali dude said:
Even a slighest difference in religions shows that religions are different. Therefore what's referred to as God, Allah, or Waheguru could not be the same.
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According to the Guru's they are. Stop making you pwn personal opnion the key here. SGGS states the truth.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
According to the Guru's they are. Stop making you pwn personal opnion the key here. SGGS states the truth.
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I am sorry but I think your perception is wrong. It always helps to read and understand the whole shabad instead of just one line.

I can't find it now but I thought I saw it on this site some of the Muslims claiming that Guru Granth Sahib was preaching the same as Islam just by looking at one line on page 1084 of Guru Granth Sahib. But if you go back and look at the whole shabad, first it describes a Muslim as per Islamic definition and then it describes Guru's definition of a perfect person. These people are claiming that it was a copy from Quran only because they didn't read the whole shabad or don't have ability to do so because of their unfamiliarity with Guru Granth Sahib.
 
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cali dude said:
I am sorry but I think your perception is wrong. It always helps to read and understand the whole shabad instead of just one line.

I can't find it now but I thought I saw it on this site some of the Muslims claiming that Guru Granth Sahib was preaching the same as Islam just by looking at one line on page 1084 of Guru Granth Sahib. But if you go back and look at the whole shabad, first it describes a Muslim as per Islamic definition and then it describes Guru's definition of a perfect person. These people are claiming that it was a copy from Quran only because they didn't read the whole shabad or don't have ability to do so because of their unfamiliarity with Guru Granth Sahib.
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You're confusing matters! - Where does it state in the Guru Granth Sahib that Allah, and God, or even Waheguru are not the same?? Please find this verse(s) for me.

You've got an axe to grind, obviously you don't follow the Sikhi of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj! - You've misconstrued the verses(s) so you can show we have a different God. Please enlighten me!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
You're confusing matters! - Where does it state in the Guru Granth Sahib that Allah, and God, or even Waheguru are not the same?? Please find this verse(s) for me.

You've got an axe to grind, obviously you don't follow the Sikhi of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj! - You've misconstrued the verses(s) so you can show we have a different God. Please enlighten me!
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Im interested to find out too. I have Sikh friends who say Allah is their god.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
You're confusing matters! - Where does it state in the Guru Granth Sahib that Allah, and God, or even Waheguru are not the same?? Please find this verse(s) for me.

You've got an axe to grind, obviously you don't follow the Sikhi of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj! - You've misconstrued the verses(s) so you can show we have a different God. Please enlighten me!
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Let me ask you this. Not having such a great knowledge of God, let's say I come up with a particular word to describe God how I understand God. Would you start referring to God using the word I come up with knowing that for fact I have no knowledge of limited knowledge of the creator? The same way, we don't know whether or not whoever came up with the word Allah, now that we know it wasn't Mohammad Sahib, was such an enlightened person. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for me to refer to God as Allah.
 
cali dude said:
Let me ask you this. Not having such a great knowledge of God, let's say I come up with a particular word to describe God how I understand God. Would you start referring to God using the word I come up with knowing that for fact I have no knowledge of limited knowledge of the creator? The same way, we don't know whether or not whoever came up with the word Allah, now that we know it wasn't Mohammad Sahib, was such an enlightened person. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for me to refer to God as Allah.
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Well if you're a Guru, or a Messenger of God, then by all means invent a word and I'm sure you'll find some people who may follow you....

It matters not WHAT you think, Cali Dude. The Prophet of Sikhi says it is the one God, I'm not sure if you're here to confuse other people delibrately or what. Where is this ''God'' of yours and what is his/her name?

Do you reject the Guru Granth Sahib.
 
Philosopher said:
Im interested to find out too. I have Sikh friends who say Allah is their god.
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ohh u mean they think that allah is different from god..
i hope u r sayin something else which i cant understand

"sub aakho satgur waaho waaho"...
guru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru ...
so satgur waho waho jin har sio joreya...

"mehma kahee naa jaai gur samrath dev"..
weh pragateyo purakh bhagwant roop..gur gobind soora...:-) guru waheguru waheguru waheguru
 
sikh said:
ohh u mean they think that allah is different from god..
i hope u r sayin something else which i cant understand

"sub aakho satgur waaho waaho"...
guru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru ...
so satgur waho waho jin har sio joreya...

"mehma kahee naa jaai gur samrath dev"..
weh pragateyo purakh bhagwant roop..gur gobind soora...:-) guru waheguru waheguru waheguru
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LOL! - Who are you smurfs? - Dawud starts a few Sikh thread and we get fake people registering with other motives, pretending to be Sikhs.

The above does not talk of anybody but of GOD! - However provide me the source where you obtained this verse and one can give an explanation.

Gur Fateh Smurfs.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Well if you're a Guru, or a Messenger of God, then by all means invent a word and I'm sure you'll find some people who may follow you....
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That's exactly my point. We don't know if word Allah was invented by a messenger of God. Then why should we blindly refer to the Creator as Allah?

AvarAllahNoor said:
The Prophet of Sikhi says it is the one God.
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It's simply a matter of your own perception.

AvarAllahNoor said:
Where is this ''God'' of yours and what is his/her name?
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There is the Creator and God. God is within us. We can only recognize Him based upon how enlightened we are. When you ask me whereabout of my God, actually you should be asking how enlightened about God I am. The answer is: I am not enlightened at all.

Philosopher, I wish I were good enough to be a Sikh but yes I am of Sikh background.
 
cali dude said:
That's exactly my point. We don't know if word Allah was invented by a messenger of God. Then why should we blindly refer to the Creator as Allah?


It's simply a matter of your own perception.


There is the Creator and God. God is within us. We can only recognize Him based upon how enlightened we are. When you ask me whereabout of my God, actually you should be asking how enlightened about God I am. The answer is: I am not enlightened at all.

Philosopher, I wish I were good enough to be a Sikh but yes I am of Sikh background.
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Then Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a mere man as was Guru Arjan Dev Ji and not Prophets?

You think they did not know that Allah is the same God as Waheguru or Jehovah? You don't understand the concept of ''IK Onkaar'' Do you?

You speak the truth brother when you say '' I am not enlightened at all'' !
 
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