Sikhs want to use "Allah" too...

[AvarAllahNoor]

What 'version'?

EDIT: let me get the verse and i'll re-edit this post

If this Qur'an is created by a man then accept this challenge, as Allah challenges you and all of mankind, to produce something better then it if you are true in your claim.

The version of what the Quran states Allah is. NOBODY can describe an iota of God!

1 / kehan n jaaee thaeree thil vaddiaaee ||2||
they cannot describe even an iota of Your Greatness. ||2||

2 / keemath paae n kehiaa jaae ||
His Value cannot be estimated; He cannot be described.

3 / kaethae aakhehi aakhan paahi ||thaa aakh n sakehi kaeee kaee ||
Many speak and try to describe Him. even then, they could not describe Him.

4 / jae ko kehai pishhai pashhuthaae ||
One who tries to describe this shall regret the attempt.



Something better than what?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

The version of what the Quran states Allah is. NOBODY can describe an iota of God!

1 / kehan n jaaee thaeree thil vaddiaaee ||2||
they cannot describe even an iota of Your Greatness. ||2||

2 / keemath paae n kehiaa jaae ||
His Value cannot be estimated; He cannot be described.

3 / kaethae aakhehi aakhan paahi ||thaa aakh n sakehi kaeee kaee ||
Many speak and try to describe Him. even then, they could not describe Him.

4 / jae ko kehai pishhai pashhuthaae ||
One who tries to describe this shall regret the attempt.



Something better than what?

View my post again I made an edit.

But let me just comment on something, Allah described Himself in the Qur'an. And this description is as follows.

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.
[Surah Al Noor (The Light) 24:35]

Look into history and you will see that many of the desert arabs couldn't read nor write nor was Prophethood something that was known to them except for Prophet Abraham which was like 2000 years before the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Even if you claim that someone wrote it (the Qur'an) then that means it was due to a desire for some wordly gain. Muhammad was offered the riches of Arabia, the most beautiful woman as his wives and the leader of the nobelest tribe and that was the tribe of Quraish if he gives up his religion. Yet Muhammad rejected it because he (saaws) is the Messenger of Allah and his mission was to call people towards Islam and Allah! If Muhammad asked someone to 'author' a book then it would have been to gain something this world, why then would he refuse everything this world has to offer i.e. money, woman and fame?!

And as for the rest of the quotes you pasted, here is what Allah Himself has said about the like:

“And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: ‘This is from Allah,’ but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:78].

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

so ok got you.
basically he wasnt a muslim saint then and many people perform miracles and from islamic perspective these people are able to perform miracles cos they are in contact with the jinns.

No, he was in contact with Allah, no idea what the Islamic view is, neither is it of any concern to us.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

View my post again I made an edit.

I've seen this video before, back in 2007 this debate took place. Search the Sikhism threads, all questions have been asked and answered.

 

[Eeman]

No, he was in contact with Allah, no idea what the Islamic view is, neither is it of any concern to us.

ok so would be kind enough to address my other question about why would a muslim holysaint who is in contact with Allah do such a thing?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

ok so would be kind enough to address my other question about why would a muslim holysaint who is in contact with Allah do such a thing?

What did he do, other than talk of Allah as he was told to by his creater?

 

[Eeman]

lol dear brother im sorry if i wanna even debate on that.

so the muslim saints wrote the verses in the guru granth sahib.
now if these saints are muslim i.e believers of islam....
then they must have been followers of the Qur'an to be muslim right and practicing muslims...

now why on earth would they write lies about their own God that they believe and their own religion to create another religion or create a holy book for people to deviate from the true path of Allah to another path...

and you said muslim saints... it takes a long time and a lot of dedication and striving hard for the sake of Allah swt to become a saint, and then why wold they do such a thing commit such a major sin to earn the WRATH of Allah swt and spend eternity in Hellfire?

that just doesnt make sense to me from a muslim perspective and on top a muslim saint!

this was the question

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

2. Page64 Line 9 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev

ਅਲਾਹੁ ਅਲਖੁ ਅਗੰਮੁ ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਰਣਹਾਰੁ ਕਰੀਮੁ ॥
Alaahu alakh aganm kaadhar karanehaar kareem ||

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

That's what the Quran states, means diddly squat to Sikhs who have the actual authentic word of the Merciful Allah via the Ten Sikh Gurus. Which has not been altered like that of the Bible, Vedas, Geeta, Quran or Torah.

Look into history and you will see that many of the desert arabs couldn't read nor write nor was Prophethood something that was known to them except for Prophet Abraham which was like 2000 years before the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Even if you claim that someone wrote it (the Qur'an) then that means it was due to a desire for some wordly gain. Muhammad was offered the riches of Arabia, the most beautiful woman as his wives and the leadership of the nobelest tribe of arabia and that was the tribe of Quraish if he gives up his religion. Yet Muhammad rejected it because he (saaws) is the Messenger of Allah and his mission was to call people towards Islam and Allah! If Muhammad asked someone to 'author' a book then it would have been to gain something this world, why then would he refuse everything this world has to offer i.e. money, woman and fame?!

Where has the Qur'an been altered?

1 single proof that I can bring you that the Qur'an has not been altered is if you were to bring (out of random choice) 3 people from different parts of the world and they have never seen or met each other, they will recite to you the same qur'an that will be recited by every single member of this forum. 1.6 billion muslims and there many out of them who have memorized the book of Allah word from word, letter from letter and recited it at least 17 times every day.

If one person was to make a mistake in his recitation (i.e. he said something which isn't in the Qur'an) then another muslim would correct him and show him where he went wrong. This is the same Qur'an revealed 1400 years ago and historians are proof of this fact and not a single dot has been moved out of it's place.

How then can you claim the Qur'an to be distorted?!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

this was the question

Shri Sheikh Farid Ji came before Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Mahraaj Ji. Guru Ji added his vereses into the SGGS as it was the message of the Lord.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Please see Sikhism threads by using the search faciilty, and READ IT i won't repeat myself over things I have discussed before as have other Sikhs on here.

 

[Eeman]

Shri Sheikh Farid Ji came before Dhan Shri Guru Nanak Mahraaj Ji. Guru Ji added his vereses into the SGGS as it was the message of the Lord.

okaaaaaaaaaaaay brother i never asked which ji came to which ji... that never answred my question.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Please see Sikhism threads by using the search faciilty, and READ IT i won't repeat myself over things I have discussed before as have other Sikhs on here.

I'm not asking for what sikhism says i'm asking you.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

okaaaaaaaaaaaay brother i never asked which ji came to which ji... that never answred my question.

You need to re-read it then, it's self explantory!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I'm not asking for what sikhism says i'm asking you.

What Sikhism says, I say.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

What Sikhism says, I say.

And that is...?

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

The General section is not for comparative religion topics. Please discuss these in the appropriate section of the forum. Furthermore, this discussion is rapidly degrading into an argument and it is quite clear that this style of dialogue will not bear any fruit.

Thread Closed.