Simple, logical arguments to prove the existence of God

[Holly]

hey man, I cannot address foolish comments.

I haven't seen any ability to address any comment, man.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I haven't seen any ability to address any comment, man.

That's because you are blinded from seeing my mighty powers and herculean abilities.

 

[جوري]

Actually, who are you? I posted a comment in response to your uneducated comment regarding Atheism and apes which you sidestepped by hurling childish insults.

We you are your hosts here and you are the guest. When folks enter into a forum, they usually introduce themselves and state their purpose, they don't inject themselves into topics and expect others to take interest.

Do you believe in freedom of speech and press? I find that atheists are all staunch defenders of many a childish things under those banners and expect applause, stating truthful observation is hardly akin to childish remarks, insinuating yourself in the middle of the debate with worse manners that those that make you cringe is!

Several posts later, you are still falling to floor and stomping your feet like a scolded child for an inability to address my comments. You're displaying very bad form.

You tell yourself whatever you need to feel better...

there there!

all the best

 

[Holly]

That's because you are blinded from seeing my mighty powers and herculean abilities.

Impotence doesn't define the attributes you have self-identified.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Impotence doesn't define the attributes you have self-identified.

well sicne you cant see things, I doubt you can know who is impotent and who is not.

Hush away, baboon. I am bamboozled that you could use internet to post verbal feces while talking about your animal ancestry with great pride!

 

[Holly]

We you are your hosts here and you are the guest. When folks enter into a forum, they usually introduce themselves and state their purpose, they don't inject themselves into topics and expect others to take interest.

Do you believe in freedom of speech and press? I find that atheists are all staunch defenders of many a childish things under those banners and expect applause, stating truthful observation is hardly akin to childish remarks, insinuating yourself in the middle of the debate with worse manners that those that make you cringe is!


You tell yourself whatever you need to feel better...

there there!

all the best

"insinuating yourself"? Could someone help out our journeyman english student by lending a dictionary?

With a dictionary in hand, do a search for terms such as "Evolution" and "Science". Don't look for those terms with the quote symbols, I added those for clarification. Report back to us what you find. Do you remember that I wanted you to address your confusion regarding evolution and science? This will help you... maybe.

 

[جوري]

Let's find out if there is a morsel of common sense or queries in what you posited expecting fanfare!

Your hoped-for slight directed at Atheism and your slur toward the science of evolution had the opposite effect. You'll find the evidence for major evolution is vast and overwhelming. I'll be pleased to provide additional data sources at your request.

1- I haven't made a slur toward atheism, I have posted my observation from the behavior of most atheists of which you are a poster girl or guy!
2- I haven't discussed evolution, I have pointed out the bullying that goes on to make folks believe in evolution without science. If you wish to discuss evolution than I urge you to visit out health and science section, familiarize yourself with 30-40 pages worth of debates before sprinkling your pearls.
3- stating that evidence is vast and overwhelming isn't in and of itself an argument nor proof, it is a statement of assurance, I fear there is no weight to empty assurances.
4-if you wish to provide data, then do it in the appropriate section and define your terms. Macro vs. micro-evolution or is it all the same to you and you are only looking for show of pugilism?

Unfortunately, your entire premise is terribly flawed. I see this frequently. My suspicion is that you have been coached by religious entities who certainly have a vested interest in placating your desire to believe the religious tales and fables in lieu of hard facts.

How do you know what my premise to know that it is flawed? if you have already reached a conclusion then there is really nothing left for us to discuss here!

Meaning, of course that the "apes into human beings" nonsense displays a fundamental lack of understanding and knowledge on your part. Man was never an ape. Man was never descended from an ape. Man and primates shared a common ancestor but branched off in separate directions. That's not at all uncommon in evolutionary history, by the way, for species to diverge in different directions while sharing a common ancestry.

Ok, good!

If your hope was to denigrate science and to disparage Atheism, you failed.

And what have you managed to do? give us a hearty guffaw?

 

[Holly]

well sicne you cant see things, I doubt you can know who is impotent and who is not.

Hush away, baboon. I am bamboozled that you could use internet to post verbal feces.

"sicne" Who is it that is posting the stuff you mentioned? As with your friend who is "challenged", consult a dictionary, please.

Oh, and there are medications for impotence.

 

[Holly]

Let's find out if there is a morsel of common sense or queries in what you posited expecting fanfare!


1- I haven't made a slur toward atheism, I have posted my observation from the behavior of most atheists of which you are a poster girl or guy!
2- I haven't discussed evolution, I have pointed out the bullying that goes on to make folks believe in evolution without science. If you wish to discuss evolution than I urge you to visit out health and science section, familiarize yourself with 30-40 pages worth of debates before sprinkling your pearls.
3- stating that evidence is vast and overwhelming isn't in and of itself an argument nor proof, it is a statement of assurance, I fear there is no weight to empty assurances.
4-if you wish to provide data, then do it in the appropriate section and define your terms. Macro vs. micro-evolution or is it all the same to you and you are only looking for show of pugilism?


How do you know what my premise to know that it is flawed? if you have already reached a conclusion then there is really nothing left for us to discuss here!


Ok, good!

And what have you managed to do? give us a hearty guffaw?

I would describe a hearty guffaw as your flailing around, hoping to avoid addressing your utter lack of knowledge regarding subjects you cannot hope to fathom.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Members, please bear this rule in mind when you're posting:

Beef will not be tolerated in any forum. Differences in opinion are expected, but please debate respectfully. (Beef are comments made for the purpose of insulting somebody else with negative intent, looking for a negative reaction, or blatantly insulting somebody)
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The rule applies to everybody, irrespective of whether you're right or wrong in this debate.

Quoted for those of you who obviously missed it the first time.

 

[CosmicPathos]

"sicne" Who is it that is posting the stuff you mentioned? As with your friend who is "challenged", consult a dictionary, please.

Oh, and there are medications for impotence.

Did those medications work for you, baboon?

 

[barney]

You do that!

1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conservative students "are, in general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability."

2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that "there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward… atheism."

3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, aged 10-16. Found a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ as measured by the Terman intelligence test.

4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported, "There is a constant positive relation in all the groups between liberal religious thinking and mental ability… There is also a constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence…"

5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 students, concluding "a slight tendency for intelligence and liberal attitudes to go together."

6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found "little or no relationship between intelligence and attitude toward god."

7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores and Thurstone "reality of god" scores

test
scores 100
50%
119
80%
%
rank
test rank test rank
believers non-believers
8. Brown and Love, 1951
At the University of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. The mean test scores of non-believers was 119 points, and for believers it was 100. The non-believers ranked in the 80th percentile, and believers in the 50th. Their findings "strongly corroborate those of Howells."

9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that "although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs."

10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence. Other factors may have influenced the results at the University of Wisconsin.

11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.

12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability students in his sample group were over-represented.

13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering college and after 2 years of college.

14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37 percent of Christians, 58 percent of apostates, and 53 percent of non-religious scored above average on SATs.

15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.

mean
SATs 1022
1108
1119
1148

group religious slightly
anti-
religious moderately
anti-
religious strongly
anti-
religious
16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly anti-
religious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly anti-religious (1108), and religious (1022).

17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. They reported "nonreligious S's tended to be strongly intelligent" and "more intelligent than religious S's."


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STUDENT BODY COMPARISONS

1. Rose Goldsen, 1952
Percentage of students who believe in a divine god: Harvard 30; UCLA 32; Dartmouth 35; Yale 36; Cornell 42; Wayne 43; Weslyan 43; Michigan 45; Fisk 60; Texas 62; North Carolina 68.

2. National Review Study, 1970
Percentage of students who believe in a Spirit or Divine God: Reed 15; Brandeis 25; Sarah Lawrence 28; Williams 36; Stanford 41; Boston U. 41; Yale 42; Howard 47; Indiana 57; Davidson 59; S. Carolina 65; Marquette 77.

3. Caplovitz and Sherrow, 1977
Apostasy rates rose continuously from 5 percent in "low" ranked schools to 17 percent in "high" ranked schools.

4. Niemi, Ross, and Alexander, 1978
In elite schools, organized religion was judged important by only 26 percent of their students, compared with 44 percent of all students.


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STUDIES OF VERY-HIGH IQ GROUPS

%
among
IQ>140 10%
18%
62%
57%
28%
23%

belief ♂ ♀ ♂ ♀ ♂ ♀
strong little none
1. Terman, 1959
Studied group with IQ's over 140. Of men, 10 percent held strong religious belief, of women 18 percent. Sixty-two percent of men and 57 percent of women claimed "little religious inclination" while 28 percent of the men and 23 percent of the women claimed it was "not at all important."

2. Warren and Heist, 1960
Found no differences among National Merit Scholars. Results may have been effected by the fact that NM scholars are not selected on the basis of intelligence or grades alone, but also on "leadership" and such like.

3. Southern and Plant, 1968
Studied 42 male and 30 female members of Mensa. Mensa members were much less religious in belief than the typical American college alumnus or adult.


All these studies were rubbish.
Reason? They dont fit a theists comfort zone. forget the technique, forget the control groups, forget the peer reveiw.

 

[جوري]

"insinuating yourself"? Could someone help out our journeyman english student by lending a dictionary?

Main Entry: insinuating : Introduce or insert (oneself) in a subtle manner

amongst other meanings, I have a dictionary, question is do you have a point?

With a dictionary in hand, do a search for terms such as "Evolution" and "Science". Don't look for those terms with the quote symbols,

And then what?

I added those for clarification. Report back to us what you find. Do you remember that I wanted you to address your confusion regarding evolution and science? This will help you... maybe.

I believe I have addressed your platitudes, again what is your point?

all the best

 

[Holly]

Did those medications work for you, baboon?

No need to be shy about asking for help. Impotence occurs in men for many reasons. I'm unaware if those medications have been used in studies involving primates. If you perform a search, you may find enlightenment.

 

[جوري]

1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conservative students "are, in g

All these studies were rubbish.
Reason? They dont fit a theists comfort zone. forget the technique, forget the control groups, forget the peer reveiw.

thank you for those 1927 to 1968 studies, you really proved a point with these quotes and dates-- why do you remain on an Islamic forum when dawkin net is really up your ally?

all the best

 

[CosmicPathos]

1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conservative students "are, in general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability."

2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that "there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward… atheism."

3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, aged 10-16. Found a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ as measured by the Terman intelligence test.

4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported, "There is a constant positive relation in all the groups between liberal religious thinking and mental ability… There is also a constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence…"

5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 students, concluding "a slight tendency for intelligence and liberal attitudes to go together."

6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found "little or no relationship between intelligence and attitude toward god."

7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores and Thurstone "reality of god" scores

test
scores 100
50%
119
80%
%
rank
test rank test rank
believers non-believers
8. Brown and Love, 1951
At the University of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. The mean test scores of non-believers was 119 points, and for believers it was 100. The non-believers ranked in the 80th percentile, and believers in the 50th. Their findings "strongly corroborate those of Howells."

9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that "although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs."

10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence. Other factors may have influenced the results at the University of Wisconsin.

11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.

12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability students in his sample group were over-represented.

13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering college and after 2 years of college.

14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37 percent of Christians, 58 percent of apostates, and 53 percent of non-religious scored above average on SATs.

15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.

mean
SATs 1022
1108
1119
1148

group religious slightly
anti-
religious moderately
anti-
religious strongly
anti-
religious
16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly anti-
religious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly anti-religious (1108), and religious (1022).

17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. They reported "nonreligious S's tended to be strongly intelligent" and "more intelligent than religious S's."


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

STUDENT BODY COMPARISONS

1. Rose Goldsen, 1952
Percentage of students who believe in a divine god: Harvard 30; UCLA 32; Dartmouth 35; Yale 36; Cornell 42; Wayne 43; Weslyan 43; Michigan 45; Fisk 60; Texas 62; North Carolina 68.

2. National Review Study, 1970
Percentage of students who believe in a Spirit or Divine God: Reed 15; Brandeis 25; Sarah Lawrence 28; Williams 36; Stanford 41; Boston U. 41; Yale 42; Howard 47; Indiana 57; Davidson 59; S. Carolina 65; Marquette 77.

3. Caplovitz and Sherrow, 1977
Apostasy rates rose continuously from 5 percent in "low" ranked schools to 17 percent in "high" ranked schools.

4. Niemi, Ross, and Alexander, 1978
In elite schools, organized religion was judged important by only 26 percent of their students, compared with 44 percent of all students.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

STUDIES OF VERY-HIGH IQ GROUPS

%
among
IQ>140 10%
18%
62%
57%
28%
23%

belief ♂ ♀ ♂ ♀ ♂ ♀
strong little none
1. Terman, 1959
Studied group with IQ's over 140. Of men, 10 percent held strong religious belief, of women 18 percent. Sixty-two percent of men and 57 percent of women claimed "little religious inclination" while 28 percent of the men and 23 percent of the women claimed it was "not at all important."

2. Warren and Heist, 1960
Found no differences among National Merit Scholars. Results may have been effected by the fact that NM scholars are not selected on the basis of intelligence or grades alone, but also on "leadership" and such like.

3. Southern and Plant, 1968
Studied 42 male and 30 female members of Mensa. Mensa members were much less religious in belief than the typical American college alumnus or adult.


All these studies were rubbish.
Reason? They dont fit a theists comfort zone. forget the technique, forget the control groups, forget the peer reveiw.

I know three atheists with below 2.5 gpa. lol. I know many Muslims (orthodox) with >3.9 gpa in the same institution and programs. Not that its a statistical test but not sure how valid the studies posted by Barney The Baboon are and if they depict today's reality. Most of them are from 1940s? What the heck. Outdated studies.

 

[Holly]

Main Entry: insinuating : Introduce or insert (oneself) in a subtle manner

amongst other meanings, I have a dictionary, question is do you have a point?





And then what?


I believe I have addressed your platitudes, again what is your point?

all the best

You have addressed only your lack of knowledge regarding evolutionary science.

Again, if your hopelessly adrift in a sea of ignorance, don't hurl the anchor overboard without first making sure you are not tied to the rope.

and all the best to you. You are in desperate need.

 

[جوري]

I would describe a hearty guffaw as your flailing around, hoping to avoid addressing your utter lack of knowledge regarding subjects you cannot hope to fathom.

What is that? nothing of substance to impart? Yeah.. it is a pity pithy phrase, I fear however your personal anguish is no substitute for common sense which I am sure if you sit there and sprinkle some what and air and dash of hydrogen and pray to the porcelain god a framshift mutation will happen upon you can carry you over to fully human some day!

all the best

 

[Holly]

What is that? nothing of substance to impart? Yeah.. it is a pity pithy phrase, I fear however your personal anguish is no substitute for common sense which I am sure if you sit there and sprinkle some what and air and dash of hydrogen and pray to the porcelain god a framshift mutation will happen upon you can carry you over to fully human some day!

all the best

And still no ability to address my comments. This is difficult for you, right?

all the best. You need the best help. I'm here to help.

 

[جوري]

You have addressed only your lack of knowledge regarding evolutionary science.

and you have addressed what? your Erythroplasia of Queyrat? give it two days it will fall off by itself!

Again, if your hopelessly adrift in a sea of ignorance, don't hurl the anchor overboard without first making sure you are not tied to the rope.

Even if you up the dose of your meds this scatology you spew will not sound any more scientific!

and all the best to you.

Thanks