Sinning

[*Hana*]

im sorry when did i say this? God can forgive us if we accept jesus because jesus died for the sins, but he will only forgive us if we are truely sorry and willing to repent. God knows everything and he obviously knows if we are sorry or not. only by accepting Christ can we be forgiven. at no point did i say Jesus us makes it ok to carry on sinning.



You say we worship the same God, but i disagree, my Gods loves us enough to send a saviour, your God has not done this. Correct me if im wrong.

God bless

Peace to you:

You make it sound like God owes us something. Like He's sorry that He created right and wrong that He had to send an innocent man to die. If God wants to forgive, He has the power to simply forgive. No need for a middle man for that. Why a 3rd person, when as you said, God knows your heart. Why would I pray to someone other than the one who created me. God's mercy far outweighs his anger. We are here to serve Him, not the other way around. He gaves us the right and wrong, He told us what we need to do. Do it and you find Jannah, don't do it and, well a different abode could be waiting for you. :rollseyes

Those who submit to the will of God, and turn to him for everything are following what He taught. He loves those that turn to Him and He loves to forgive. Why should He forgive someone who doesn't care about His law and turned their back on Him? He doesn't need his creations....His creations need Him.

Peace,
Hana

 

[glo]

awsome, enjoyed that guys, speak again soon no doubt

God bless

My name is sean btw im 18 / m / scotland

Nice to meet you Sean! :thankyou:

 

[- Qatada -]

Chapter 5 in the Qur'an:

They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. (5:72)

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. (5:73)


Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful (5:74)

Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (5:75)


Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things." (5:76)

Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way. (5:77)






And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (5:116)


"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. (5:117)

"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise." (5:118)

Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires). (5:119)

To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things. (5:120)​

Peace.

 

[Woodrow]

awsome, enjoyed that guys, speak again soon no doubt

God bless

My name is sean btw im 18 / m / scotland

Peace be with You Sean, I look foreward to your return. It is good to see your views. I hope you will have the patience to try to understand us too. I believe I can speak for most here by saying you will be treated fairly and any disagreements will be treated with respect and dignity.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

We are here to serve Him, not the other way around.

Well thats what makes me love God even more, we believe God came to earth to serve us, which blows my mind and shows of his love for us.

I hope you will have the patience to try to understand us too.

Yes mate, the bible says love is many things and patience is one of them, and i plan to be that and i respect your believes, and have enjoyed hearing your views also. thats me off

nice to meet u to brother glo

God bless

Sean

 

[Ghazi]

we believe God came to earth to serve us

Really can you explain this in more detail.

 

[glo]

nice to meet u to brother glo

Sean

I'm a woman, actually. :statisfie
But don't worry, it happens all the time. I don't think these non-Islamic gender pics are particularly clear.

It would be nice to see you back.

Blessings.

 

[*Hana*]

Well thats what makes me love God even more, we believe God came to earth to serve us, which blows my mind and shows of his love for us.

Ohhh, please provide me the verse that says God came to serve His creations and submit to them. In all my years as a Christian I was never taught that, never read it, never had reference to it in any way, shape or form.

If He created us so He could serve and worship us, why exactly are you praying? :muddlehea Why would there be the need of a saviour at all....that would serve no purpose whatsoever.

What exactly is the purpose of God serving us?

Peace,
Hana

 

[glo]

Ohhh, please provide me the verse that says God came to serve His creations and submit to them. In all my years as a Christian I was never taught that, never read it, never had reference to it in any way, shape or form.

If He created us so He could serve and worship us, why exactly are you praying? :muddlehea Why would there be the need of a saviour at all....that would serve no purpose whatsoever.

What exactly is the purpose of God serving us?

Peace,
Hana

I meant to reply to islam-truth's post earlier, but got distracted ...
I can see how this statement would sound very disturbing to Muslims.

Christians believe - as you know - that Jesus is God's son who came to earth in human form to live amongst us.
During his teaching years he demonstrated to us how we should love and serve each other.
Jesus served the people around him - don't you think? He healed them, he fed them, he even washed his disciples feet (a very humbling act of service, indeed!)
As Christians we should try to follow Christ's example - to serve and love each other just as he taught us to do.

Of course we should worship and serve God! God and his creation, in fact ... that's what Jesus did!

Does that make it clearer?

Blessings.

 

[Umar001]

Just before Jesus died in the NT Jesus said " Father why have u forsaken me"? Because for the first time in his life God had to look away from him, for the first time God looked away from him because he was carrying the worlds sin. God cannot look upon sin......until that soul has been cleasned by the precious blood of Chist. The great sacrifice, our salvation.

In post 25:

Like i said, the God i believe in is so rightous he cannot look upon sin, and if ur God can forgive just by saying the word, i wudnt want to follow him if he was true, but thats my on views, i want my God to be so rightous he cant be around sin.

Many a times G-d is said to have looked at the people:

Exodus 2:25
So God looked on the Israelites and was concerned about them.

1 Chronicles 17:17
And as if this were not enough in your sight, O God, you have spoken about the future of the house of your servant. You have looked on me as though I were the most exalted of men, O LORD God.

G-d also walked with Enoch, was he a sinner?

Genesis 5:22
And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters.

In post 28:

like i said, Water and Ice are the same but in different forms, Jesus was God in a different God, I believe God sent the son because the father couldnt be in our sin, so thats why he sent himself in the form on a man rathewr than God himselff the father.

So Jesus can be among sinners but the Father cannot. Just out of wonder, water, ice and steam, we can see the differences in, can you tell us the differences between Jesus the G-d, Father the G-d and Holy Spirit the G-d.

Just wondering bro Fi Sabilillah and Woodrow:

Well i dont know about God creating sin, maybe he did, but u could say God created freedom of choice to the angels and man and we created sin ourself. If it wasnt possible to sin from day 1 then God wud have created a bunch of robots, but i guess he wants us to choose him, and choose to live and Godly life.

Yup and thats one of the similarities between christianity and islam.

Isn't that shirk, to ascribe the status of creator to creation?


I think because I have missed quite abit of the thread I shall stop there in order to stop things being repeated.

Anyhow, I hope to learn from this and anymistakes are mine.

As Eric H says, In the spirit of seeking truth or was it peace :giggling:

Peace be upon yall.

Also do not feel like anyone's gotta respond because I am bringing stuff thats abit old, so if yall already moved on then ignore me

 

[Umar001]

Of course we should worship and serve God! God and his creation, in fact ... that's what Jesus did!

Im under the impression thats a typin mistake, well I hope it is.

Peace,

 

[glo]

Im under the impression thats a typin mistake, well I hope it is.

Peace,

Yes! :giggling:

What I meant was worship God, and serve God and his creation.
Better? :rollseyes
Sorry.

Peace.

 

[Umar001]

Yes! :giggling:

What I meant was worship God, and serve God and his creation.
Better? :rollseyes
Sorry.

Peace.

Dont be sorry :giggling: happens to most of us.

Jus wanted to get it said before anyone jumped on here and started accusing you of worshiping them :giggling: :giggling:

Peaceeee

 

[*Hana*]

I meant to reply to islam-truth's post earlier, but got distracted ...
I can see how this statement would sound very disturbing to Muslims.

Christians believe - as you know - that Jesus is God's son who came to earth in human form to live amongst us.
During his teaching years he demonstrated to us how we should love and serve each other.
Jesus served the people around him - don't you think? He healed them, he fed them, he even washed his disciples feet (a very humbling act of service, indeed!)
As Christians we should try to follow Christ's example - to serve and love each other just as he taught us to do.

Of course we should worship and serve God! God and his creation, in fact ... that's what Jesus did!

Does that make it clearer?

Blessings.

Peace to you:

Sooooo glad you clarified that. lol

As Muslims we believe Jesus, pbuh, was one of the greatest prophets, born through miraculous birth, he was very pious, performed many miracles through, (as He says), God's will and not His own, and brought the same message as all the prophets before Him, but not through His own words as He says, but using God's word.

And yes, we also agree, Jesus, pbuh, totally submitted His will to God. When He performed ablution, when He fell down in prostration with His face to the ground, when He greeted His followers with "Peace be upon you" and when He taught, "There is only ONE that is good", and "only ONE that knows the time and day of the Day of Judgement", He is telling you there is only ONE worthy of worship and that is God. My God and your God....He tells you that He as well as His followers submit to the same God, He is not telling them to submit to Him because He IS God.

So, yes, absolutely He wanted people to behave as He behaved because He was serving God and doing as God willed Him to do.....to teach the people and spread the message.

A Prophet of God is the best representation of the message being sent, so of course they will behave in the same manner. Jesus, pbuh, upheld the laws of the Prophets before Him and continued to teach people how to do that as well by obeying the commandments. He abided by all the commandments and never sinned because this is what He was suppose to do. You can't have a Prophet of God sinning, and disobeying the commandment of God while telling the people to do different. So, for sure, all the Prophets were the best of men with total submission to God.

Peace,
Hana

 

[glo]

Ohhh, please provide me the verse that says God came to serve His creations and submit to them. In all my years as a Christian I was never taught that, never read it, never had reference to it in any way, shape or form.

Jesus said that he 'did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.' (Matthew 20:28)

Of course this assumes that you believe Jesus to be God (which Christians do believe) ... but that's a debate for another thread ... :rollseyes

Peace.

 

[glo]

Dont be sorry :giggling: happens to most of us.

Jus wanted to get it said before anyone jumped on here and started accusing you of worshiping them :giggling: :giggling:

Peaceeee

Thanks, bro!

 

[Umar001]

Thanks, bro!

No problemo sis, lol got it right!

if you see me make such a mistake point it out please, cos im prone to typing too fast sometimes ;D ;D

 

[- Qatada -]

Just wondering bro Fi Sabilillah and Woodrow:



Isn't that shirk, to ascribe the status of creator to creation?

:salamext:


Brother, i'm really sorry as i never meant that at all.

I've changed my post, and highlighted the parts that i agreed on (which i agreed to.)

you can view it now insha'Allaah:
http://www.islamicboard.com/340577-post33.html


jazak Allaah khayr sooo much for pointin out my mistake.



:wasalamex

 

[Umar001]

:salamext:


Brother, i'm really sorry as i never meant that at all.

I've changed my post, and highlighted the parts that i agreed on (which i agreed to.)

you can view it now insha'Allaah:
http://www.islamicboard.com/340577-post33.html


jazak Allaah khayr sooo much for pointin out my mistake.

:wasalamex

No worries with me akhi, if you see me do the same, then point it out to me bro, p.s how do u do that link where it only shows your post?

Salam aleykum

 

[- Qatada -]

:wasalamex


Will do insha'Allaah.

To get the link on the post, on the top right hand side of every post - it shows the post no. (i.e. this is post #60) - so right click on the post no. and 'copy link location/shortcut' - then you can paste the posts direct link insha'Allaah.


If you still don't understand, just ask insha'Allaah.


:salamext: