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[4-Christ-Alone]

Re: unforgivable sins

I See you all woner wat sins are unforgiven to your God? I am new to the muslim faith and i dont ever intend to follow it. I am a firm believer in Christ Jesus, and that he was the son of God and the saviour to all men.

Im sure most of you know the basis of christianity, we believe our God is the true living God as do you, and that our God is all perfect and sinless, that he cannot look upon sin, guess what man sinned! Oh no boy are we in trouble? going agaisnt an all mighty God who quite frankly, alough he is loving and merciful, has to punish. But God said to himself, i dont want to punish them because they fall, so he sent Jesus Christ, his only begotten son (John 3:16), that whoever believed in his name, should not perish but have everlasting life.

Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.

So anyway back to the point, if a man rapes a woman, shud the court say, ""there is no punishment for this crime if u say u will repent from it"" no! thats not acceptable, the man should be punished. So what i am asking is, does allah punish sin? if he does, we are all in big trouble and hes not a merciful God, but if he doesnt, ow can a God so good look upon unclean souls as us men? Jesus paid the punishment, My God loves me, and every1 of you, despite what u believe, forgive me for preaching. Take care!

 

[Woodrow]

Re: unforgivable sins

I See you all woner wat sins are unforgiven to your God? I am new to the muslim faith and i dont ever intend to follow it. I am a firm believer in Christ Jesus, and that he was the son of God and the saviour to all men.

Im sure most of you know the basis of christianity, we believe our God is the true living God as do you, and that our God is all perfect and sinless, that he cannot look upon sin, guess what man sinned! Oh no boy are we in trouble? going agaisnt an all mighty God who quite frankly, alough he is loving and merciful, has to punish. But God said to himself, i dont want to punish them because they fall, so he sent Jesus Christ, his only begotten son (John 3:16), that whoever believed in his name, should not perish but have everlasting life.

Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.

So anyway back to the point, if a man rapes a woman, shud the court say, ""there is no punishment for this crime if u say u will repent from it"" no! thats not acceptable, the man should be punished. So what i am asking is, does allah punish sin? if he does, we are all in big trouble and hes not a merciful God, but if he doesnt, ow can a God so good look upon unclean souls as us men? Jesus paid the punishment, My God loves me, and every1 of you, despite what u believe, forgive me for preaching. Take care!

One thing you may hard to Believe. But, Allah is the very same God you worship. Just the Arabic name. Like in spanish it is Dios.

Same God that was revealed through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the Prophets.

I also agree nearly one hundred percent with this paragraph. (I edited this sentence and added the word nearly)

"Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony."

When I was Christian, those could very well have been my words. I loved Jesus with all my heart and still do. When I was Christian, I met Jesus. When I reverted to Islam, I got to truly know him, and now know him with a solid belief that a Christian would never comprehend.

 

[glo]

Re: unforgivable sins

Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.
Jesus paid the punishment, My God loves me, and every1 of you, despite what u believe, forgive me for preaching. Take care!

Welcome, 4-Christ-Alone
I hope you enjoy this forum.

If you want to share your testimony of why you believe, there is a folder here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/19347-why-do-you-believe-part-1-a.html
Although Nimrod's question was addresses at all forum members, it seems to have been the Christian members who contributed to the thread.

Hope to see you around. :thankyou:

Blessings.

 

[- Qatada -]

Hey.


You might want to check this link out:

Islam and Christianity. Is there a Relation ?
http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0134&subcatname=Selected Articles


Hope you benefit alot from it insha'Allaah (God willing.)


Peace.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

So do any of u believe sin should be punished? And if so arnt we in trouble? Who is your saviour? or do u believe your wrong doing should be unpunished? forgive my ignorance to your religion, i dnt understand it all fully yet.

 

[Ghazi]

So do any of u believe sin should be punished? And if so arnt we in trouble? Who is your saviour? or do u believe your wrong doing should be unpunished? forgive my ignorance to your religion, i dnt understand it all fully yet.

I believe I should punished for things I have done If I havn't repented but I it
won't be fair for someone to be punished for what someone else has done for exmaple jesus.

 

[- Qatada -]

Hadith Qudsi 34:

On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) say: Allah the Almighty said:

O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.​

It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Ahmad ibn Hanbal). Its chain of authorities is sound.


more hadith qudsi (divine hadith):
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/hadithqudsi.html

 

[Muslim Soldier]

Re: unforgivable sins

i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.

Hi

The others have answered yr question. I could not help noticing the above quote. How do you know it was Jesus? Perhaps it was Satan doing that to you.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

The others have answered yr question. I could not help noticing the above quote. How do you know it was Jesus? Perhaps it was Satan doing that to you.

How do you know when youve got the flu and not the cold by your own judjment? How do u know when its jesus filling you with complete peace and love and not satan. If the supernatural experiences i have had was satan, he has done a great job in turning a mess of a life, into a Godly living life. Of course i cant prove to you it is Jesus who touchs my life, but i have faith that only a loving saviour would show me this kindness, and not a evil enemy!

I believe I should punished for things I have done If I havn't repented but I it
won't be fair for someone to be punished for what someone else has done for exmaple jesus.

You says it is not fair that if Jesus died for the world its not fair, Jesus wasnt forced to save the world, he chose the cross because he thought we were worth dying for, I believe Jesus was God in the form of a man, and as it sayd, For God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son, thatwhoever believed in him, should not persih but have everlasting life (John 3:16)

Islam-truth, ask yourself if a family member was in trouble, and needed you to help them, say they owed someone money, and you could pay there debt, would you? if you loved them you would! God is love, Jesus is his son, Jesus loves us infinity more times that we love our families, so did he have to think twice about paying our debt of sin, no.

God bless

 

[Woodrow]

So do any of u believe sin should be punished? And if so arnt we in trouble? Who is your saviour? or do u believe your wrong doing should be unpunished? forgive my ignorance to your religion, i dnt understand it all fully yet.

Bismillallahi ir Rahman ir Raheem
[In the name of God, the Beneficent (provider of all things material and spiritual) the Most Merciful Forgiver.]

Yes we believe our sins will be punished. Yes we know God(swt) will forgive those who repent and have found mercy from God(swt). Only God(swt) has the power to forgive us of our sins. God(swt) is our Saviour.

On the judgement day, The forgiven will gain eternal happiness in Jannah the unforgiven will be cast for all eternity into Hell fire.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

Do us sinners punish evil? Even if the person is sincerely sorry and willing to repent? Yes!

So if its right for a sinner to punish evil, even if the person is willing to repent, is it not even more right that an ALL good God should punish whether we repent or not, i believe so, but i believe God loved us to much to punish us so he sent Jesus to pay our punishment. I believe Jesus is the answer to sin.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

Sorry what i mean is, i think God HAS to punish evil, and he loves us to much to punish us, so he sent Jesus to take it. And yes i believe God forgives any sin throught Jesus. Exept speaking against the holy spirit of course as that says thats the only unforgivable sin.

 

[Ghazi]

Sorry what i mean is, i think God HAS to punish evil, and he loves us to much to punish us, so he sent Jesus to take it. And yes i believe God forgives any sin throught Jesus. Exept speaking against the holy spirit of course as that says thats the only unforgivable sin.

so you got a licence to sin then since jesus died for our sin you can do what you want.

 

[Woodrow]

Sorry what i mean is, i think God HAS to punish evil, and he loves us to much to punish us, so he sent Jesus to take it. And yes i believe God forgives any sin throught Jesus. Exept speaking against the holy spirit of course as that says thats the only unforgivable sin.

Our concept of the unforgivable sin is the sin of shirk. which is the worship of or placing of anything or anyone as being equal to God(swt)

The concept of Jesus (swt) dieing for our sins gives Jesus(swt) the same qualities as God (swt) which is shirk. Then if you counter with that Jesus is God(swt) We are already turning to God(swt) to forgive our sins.

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

so you got a licence to sin then since jesus died for our sin you can do what you want.

im sorry when did i say this? God can forgive us if we accept jesus because jesus died for the sins, but he will only forgive us if we are truely sorry and willing to repent. God knows everything and he obviously knows if we are sorry or not. only by accepting Christ can we be forgiven. at no point did i say Jesus us makes it ok to carry on sinning.

Yes we believe our sins will be punished

You say we worship the same God, but i disagree, my Gods loves us enough to send a saviour, your God has not done this. Correct me if im wrong.

God bless

 

[4-Christ-Alone]

The concept of Jesus (swt) dieing for our sins gives Jesus(swt) the same qualities as God (swt) which is shirk. Then if you counter with that Jesus is God(swt) We are already turning to God(swt) to forgive our sins.

The concept on Jesus dieing for our sins doesnt give him the same qualities as God, its shows how he became man for us, but the miracles Jesus performed gives him the same qualities as God, because he was God as a man,

If you think of water steam and ice, they are all the same but in different forms, i believe its the same with God the father, son (jesus) and holy spirit. Jesus was God in a different form, like water is ice in a different form

 

[glo]

so you got a licence to sin then since jesus died for our sin you can do what you want.

Come on, islam-truth ... do you really see Christians like that???:rollseyes

Yes, we believe that Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice who paid for the sins of all. We receive salvation and eternal life through him alone.

But that does not give us free licence to continue sinning and doing wrong in the assurance that we are forgiven anyway.

Romans 6:1-2 says this:
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"

and Romans 6:15-18:
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

As 4-Christ-Alone indicates, once you know the love of Christ, you will desire to follow him with all your heart! It is done with a free willingness, and is not prompted by fear, guilt or damnation.

Peace.

 

[Ghazi]

ok I apologies to anyone I've offended.

 

[- Qatada -]

4-Christ-Alone - this is exactly what us as muslims believe.


We believe that God will forgive us if we are sorry for what we did, as you just stated above. And if we repent, God will remove the sin from us and hence we will not be punished.

We don't believe that God needs to send down a 'son' to be killed by a creation of God, because we feel that it would degrade God and God can forgive sins without having to sacrifice anything on His behalf. The creation is owned by God, and He gives whatever he wills to whomever he wills without any weakness whatsoever.


The reason a person may be punished by God is if they persistently sin without no regret, and if God was to forgive everyone and the person did whatever he/she wanted - then there would be no difference between the one who helps the needy, gives in charity, smiles at his brother etc. and the murderer, rapist etc. This is why God will punish the sinner if they do not repent for their actions, and the ones who did good will be rewarded equally.


However, after the believer who believed in pure monotheism has had his/her punishment - then they will be rewarded with paradise too. And they can have whatever they desire there - whether the person is male or female. This reward will be through the mercy of God.


Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.

 

[Zulkiflim]

im sorry when did i say this? God can forgive us if we accept jesus because jesus died for the sins, but he will only forgive us if we are truely sorry and willing to repent. God knows everything and he obviously knows if we are sorry or not. only by accepting Christ can we be forgiven. at no point did i say Jesus us makes it ok to carry on sinning.



You say we worship the same God, but i disagree, my Gods loves us enough to send a saviour, your God has not done this. Correct me if im wrong.

God bless

Salaam,

You in one word you say that if you accept Propeht Jesus son of Mary as as god then your sin are forgiven...but now you say IF YOU ARE TRULLY SORRY...

Who judges if youa re trully sorry ...you or god?
How do you know that you are forgiven?
Do you take it upon yourself that becasue YOU think you accept Propeht Jesus son of Mary as as god then you are forgiven?

May i ask,in your mind,do you think god forgives you your every repeated sin?

In Islam we do not need to sacrifice anythign to receive forgiveness,,,YOU MERELY ASK...Is asking so difficult..

Allah forgives for he is the MOST MERCIFUL..