sisters attacked for asking to pray in a blackburn masjid

[S_87]

But how can it be wrong for women to go to mosque and worship???
Does it say that in the Qu'ran?

Peace

not at all, infact Muhammed :arabic5: said not to prevent women from going to the masjid.

 

[~Stranger~]

these sisters have done nothing but bring shame upon themselves, and embarassed us Muslims.

they provoked the men to behave irrationally, they can show all the hadith they can find, but it still doesnt change the fact that they shouldnt have been there in the first place

kamilah hun, even if the sisters r wrong these males have no right to physically attacjk them.
and seems like the sisters didnt have to do much to PROVOKE these males...
nothing was done in this case is right, both sides have acted shamefully. but attack sisters??!!!!!! :?

It is not haram for women to pray in the masjid

but its much better for them to pray in their houses right?

 

[Kamilah]

I don't understand ... why weren't the women allowed in the masjid in the first place? :?:?:?
There's obviously something I am not getting here ...

Women are allowed to go to the Masjid,providing there is room to facilitate them, it is imperitive upon men to go to the masjid and pray, but its a little more complex for women (due to lack of child provisions, and other commitments a women may have also the dangers of free mixing etc..) hence why our lord has made it easy for us women and has not commanded us to go pray our five daily prayers at the masjid, and hence why we earn greater reward if we pray from home. In large cities, mosques are able to afford bigger buildings where they can successfully accomodate and provide the relevent facilities for both men and women...London Muslim Centre is one example of a well facilitated masjid.

unfortunately in other parts of the UK, communities do not have the space or the funding to do this...

in the incident which took place in Blackburn, the two sisters involved, they chose that particual mosque out of the 29 mosques(where facilities could/are widely available to women) in the locality of Blackburn, basically to cause a commotion, knowing full well that they will come head to head with irrational delinquents.

politics is involved in this case.

 

[*LJ*]

Asalamu alaikum,

I think that none of us are going to agree on 'who was in the wrong' in this issue and I'm not sure that it really matters too much...Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) know the intentions of the people who were involved and I think maybe we should just leave it at that. I don't know what to think as I don't know much about MPAC and of course I don't know the intentions of the sisters involved.

Just one more thing:
Do women get more reward for praying at home or do we get the same reward whether we pray in the masjid or at home???
(And also is there a greater reward for praying in Jamah with others?)

Salam

 

[Vaseline]

I am definitely sure that you are awarded more sunnah for praying with Jam'ah. Not sure about the masjid and the home salaat though.

 

[kormath]

وهم يحسبون انهم يحسنون صنعا

 

[kormath]

In our area some of the authorities of Mosque established seperate buildings foe women to worship near the Mosque. They belive that the entering of the women in Mosque is prohibited by Islam. A majority of the Ulama teach them so.

 

[Hashim_507]

This is very wrong...

 

[Kamilah]

It is permitted for women to attend the congregational prayers at the mosques and their husbands may not prevent them from doing so unless it is feared that harm will come to them. However, it is preferable for women to perform prayers at their homes. The Prophet (peace be upon him) says:“ Do not prohibit women to attend prayer at mosque, but prayer at their homes is better for them” (Reported by Imam Ahmad).

If, however, women decide to go out for prayer at the mosques, they should neither dress nor perfume themselves in a manner that may attract the attention of men. At the mosques, it is an established tradition that women perform their prayers preferably in their own partition behind the rows of men.

 

[glo]

I thought Islam prided itself on giving women so many rights ...

This issue, however, is clearly gender discrimination - no matter how many reasons for protection, fitnah etc people may come up with.

Either Allah himself doesn't want women in his mosques, or men cannot or want not to make provisions for their women to come to mosque, or it is a combination of the both ...
Whichever way, women do not have the same rights to worship Allah as men have ... doesn't seem right to me ... :heated:

 

[*LJ*]

I thought Islam prided itself on giving women so many rights ...

This issue, however, is clearly gender discrimination - no matter how many reasons for protection, fitnah etc people may come up with.

Either Allah himself doesn't want women in his mosques, or men cannot or want not to make provisions for their women to come to mosque, or it is a combination of the both ...
Whichever way, women do not have the same rights to worship Allah as men have ... doesn't seem right to me ... :heated:

Hey Glo,

I'm just going to try explain the issue a bit better for you.I think you've misunderstood a bit. The Prophet(sallallahu alaihi wasalam) expressed that women have exactly the same right to worship in the mosque as men. The way it should be is that all mosques should allow women in but unfortunately that sometimes doesn't happen. It's not that the religion that prevents women having rights to enter a mosque, its some of the followers unfortunately.

In many mosques women do have the same rights as men to enter and pray and learn etc, most mosques where I live are fine about this, I only know of one which does not cater for women but they are in the process of getting a women's section.

You can't judge a religion by the followers you have to look at the Holy Book and the fundamentals of the religion... in the case of Islam you need to look at the Qur'an and Sunnah to determine what the religion teaches.

I hope that clears things up a bit for you.

Take care

 

[- Qatada -]

I thought Islam prided itself on giving women so many rights ...

This issue, however, is clearly gender discrimination - no matter how many reasons for protection, fitnah etc people may come up with.

Either Allah himself doesn't want women in his mosques, or men cannot or want not to make provisions for their women to come to mosque, or it is a combination of the both ...
Whichever way, women do not have the same rights to worship Allah as men have ... doesn't seem right to me ... :heated:

Hi glo.


If you've read all the previous posts, and even think about the reason why the sister posted this thread - you'll realise that nearly everyone on this thread said that them guy's did the wrong thing.


Why was that? It's because them men acted in a arrogant and aggressive way - when it's been mentioned over and over again that this is not what islam teaches.


We also said that this may have been out of the ignorance of those men, who never actually knew that women should be allowed to pray within the masjid (even though this was so popular at the time of the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him.) Now add ignorance and arrogance together of the people, what do you think that equals?



Second point i want to make is that most likely, due to blackburn having a big majority of pakistani/indian/bengali population - their culture is part of the hindi/indian culture, and what does their culture do?

You may have even read this on the news a few days back - but some hindu sons actually threw their mother alive into the same fire her husband was put into, due to their hindu death incineration process. Why was this? It's because in that culture - women are treated like dirt.


Now let's add another substance into the equation:

Ignorance (of islaam) + Arrogance + Degradation of women culture = ?


I'll leave you think about that.



Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.

 

[AQSA]

Do women get more reward for praying at home or do we get the same reward whether we pray in the masjid or at home???
(And also is there a greater reward for praying in Jamah with others?)

Salam

Umme Humaid the wife of Abu Humaid As-Sa’adi (ra) narrates that she came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said,

“O Messenger of Allah, indeed I love to pray with you.”

He replied,

“I know that you love to pray with me, but your prayer in your bedroom is better than your prayer in your living room and your prayer in your living room is better than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better than your prayer in your neighborhood masjid and your prayer in your masjid is better than your prayer in my masjid”.

The narrators says,

“So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

(Sahidh Ibn Hibban hadith no. 2214 and Shahih Ibn Khuzaimah hadith no.1689).​

 

[ameen]

The narrators says,

“So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

salam,

this nicely explains the new efforts being made by the men - which clearly seem like 'gradual steps' toward completely eliminating women from the Masjid Al-Haram in Makkah:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general-chat/27724-rejection-haram-prayer-proposal.html

wsalam
 

 

[Isma'el]

Umme Humaid the wife of Abu Humaid As-Sa’adi (ra) narrates that she came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said,

“O Messenger of Allah, indeed I love to pray with you.”

He replied,

“I know that you love to pray with me, but your prayer in your bedroom is better than your prayer in your living room and your prayer in your living room is better than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better than your prayer in your neighborhood masjid and your prayer in your masjid is better than your prayer in my masjid”.

The narrators says,

“So she gave an order and a masjid was constructed for her in the farthest and darkest corner of her house and she continued to pray there until she died.”

(Sahidh Ibn Hibban hadith no. 2214 and Shahih Ibn Khuzaimah hadith no.1689).​

I Think this hadith sum's everything up...!! If its better for the si8ster to pray at home then why go to the mosque, surly u get more rewards if its better at home.? then why deprive your self of the rewards..

 

[Ann]

I thought Islam prided itself on giving women so many rights ...

This issue, however, is clearly gender discrimination - no matter how many reasons for protection, fitnah etc people may come up with.

Either Allah himself doesn't want women in his mosques, or men cannot or want not to make provisions for their women to come to mosque, or it is a combination of the both ...
Whichever way, women do not have the same rights to worship Allah as men have ... doesn't seem right to me ... :heated:

Hi glo,

I think some of the others have already made it clear that Islam does not prohibit women in the masjid, sadly as stated its more of a culture thing and one that certainly doesnt present out religion in the best of light. And absoulutely these men acted horribly but I have to admit I think the sisters went about it in the wrong way. I agree they should be allowed to pray in the masjid and (someone help me here, though I know theres hadith that says its better for ladies to pray at home isnt there also one about greater reward for those who pray in congregation???) Anway I think they should have contacted the imam on any day other than friday and perhaps also they could have tried to speak to the wives of some of the elders, form a commitee as someone else mentioned and opened a dialouge, rather then showing up with pamphlets after Jummah prayer. Another option is to contact an imam at a masjid that does have a ladies section and ask him to speak to imam of this masjid. Perhaps with that kind of support and a chance to present thier case in that way they might have faired better.

Having said that I think these men need to move out of the dark ages and find a room or space to be sectioned off for the sisters to use during prayer.

( And Glo, thanks from the PM, its nice to see your still here. Take care)

 

[Ann]

oh and heres an interesting link that goes to culture vs religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3ol-iuCGU

 

[Isma'el]

Are womens's pray's better at home or in the mosque is the question here..?

What do the four school of fiQ say regarding this issue...? majority of ulama say it's permissable but not desirable due to the time we are in, regards fitna etc.

 

[Ali_slave of Allah]

I thought Islam prided itself on giving women so many rights ...

This issue, however, is clearly gender discrimination - no matter how many reasons for protection, fitnah etc people may come up with.

Either Allah himself doesn't want women in his mosques, or men cannot or want not to make provisions for their women to come to mosque, or it is a combination of the both ...
Whichever way, women do not have the same rights to worship Allah as men have ... doesn't seem right to me ... :heated:

its not the sisters fault y r u blaming islam instead of blaming the guys
when some1 drives a car in a badway nobody blames the car when a muslim does something wrong it is islam that goes to trail y coz he is a muslim

 

[Ann]

its not the sisters fault y r u blaming islam instead of blaming the guys
when some1 drives a car in a badway nobody blames the car when a muslim does something wrong it is islam that goes to trail y coz he is a muslim

I dont think she was blaming anyone, she was just asking a question. She is not muslim and was ooking for an explination. If you read any of her other post you will see she is not judgemental about our religion, shes just trying to get a clearer picture. I wish more christians would follow her example and seek the truth from practicing muslims instead of the news broadcasts.