Slavery

[abdullah_001]

I m none to say that,but am only reminding U what Islam says about these or present (Majority of not all) kind of so called muslims. U need the reference? Looks like U didnt like the truth for obvious reasons.

Islam says they are muslim but you are hindu... need i say more?

Lol at ur aquired ignorance. I know that they have abandoned laws of ALLAH everywhere in the muslim world coz their respective governments have chosen to write laws for them. And we see no resistance from Ummah. Iwonder which world U are living in that U dont even know that muslims have abandoned laws of ALLAH.

If you read my posts I never said Muslims didn't abandon the Laws of Islam I said if they were to adapt it they would outdo all other people, just read my previous posts.

Whom I m worshipping is known to ALLAH, U havent yet asked me whom I worship still U are busy in cooking up things like a fake prophet. Plz wake up doing such individual attacks, its for ur welfare only. I m not judging any individual but a bunch of individuals who I see doing unislamic things like devouring haram Interest. thats why I dare to comment on that group of ppls. And plz stop writing obscene language, there are sisters too in this forum if U know. Havent U learned how to talk decently in places like this???

Ok, so then tell me, who is your God? Do you believe that Krishna and Ramayan and all such could ever be Gods? If you say you only believe in one God and say there could be no Gods besides him then I will stop arguing with you right here.

If not, then inspite of all the crap you talk, you are still a hindu.

LOL, few gay ppls celebrating on streets makes a whole nation of 1000 million ppls including urself butt buddy of america??? Wow at ur hatred for the nation U are living in. Ever consulted ur alim how islamic it is???

It is not the people it is the goverment, people follow the leader simple as that the question for the gay day or whatever wasn't to say whatever ppl did, it was to point out that government has allowed such actions which implies it will only get worse for YOUR PEOPLE in the future. Think a little bit before you answer.



[/quote]U are able to produce following four verses from Bhagvad Gita the only authentic hindu scripture,

[41] The works of Brahmins, Ks.atriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are different, in harmony with the three powers of their born nature.
[42] The works of a Brahmin are peace; self-harmony, austerity, and purity; loving-forgiveness and righteousness; vision and wisdom and faith.

[43] These are the works of a Ks.atriya: a heroic mind, inner fire, constancy, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and noble leadership.

[44] Trade, agriculture and the rearing of cattle is the work of a Vaishya. And the work of the Shudra is service.

It clearly talks about the works given to them. Nowhere it says that one cast should be treated lowly than others. Its only cooked up story of religious haters. I hope U have understood at last.

Secondly, do U believe in holy quran? According to ur belief, all scriptures have been altered. So when U bring out scriptures to defame a religion, U are indirectly pointing ur fingers towards ALLAH. Coz Bhagvad Gita is nothing but words of ALLAH. Now its upto U whether U believe or not. [/quote]

Amazing is your reply, you yourself admit your scripture has been altered and yet you defend it? Tell me according to your words, whats better something that hasn't been altered or something that has been?

Exactly this what I have been trying to make U understand. Hinduism never says that shudras are worse than brahmins, still is hindus do it than its not fault of religion its fault of hindus only. And as for sati, U again failed to bring out any authentic source of ur baseless allegation.

baseless allegation? I just gave you a milliong links go read on it, if not read up Indian history? You're trying to tell me something that happened in history doesn't exist? Whats your authentic source really? You yourself admitted that your scriptures have been altered so my question to you is how is it even authentic to begin with and why do you even believe in something has been altered?[/quote]

LOL, I have answered ur questions, U havent yet answered my few questions from previous post. Plz read that carefully in case U have missed them, otherwise I assume that U have no answer to that, and I wont ask U again. Again I request U not to use some words in presence of sisters, its only a request if U are kind enough to listen.

Peace to U Indian brother.

What questions did you ask? Im sure i replied to everyone but you reply to my questions here... it is very obvious y ou are just arguing for the sake of argument.

Let me ask you again? Who is your God? And do you believe that there could be any God besides the one God?

 

[Uthman]

I of course meant to say that it's not something I don't acknowledge. I don't know how to edit posts here.

When you have 50 posts, you will be upgraded to full member and then you will be able to edit posts the same way as it is done on UI.

 

[justahumane]

Let me ask you again? Who is your God? And do you believe that there could be any God besides the one God?

Ur previous post deserved a detailed reply,but due to lack of time I m forced to reply this small but most important portion of ur previous post.

My GOD is the GOD who created this universe. HE is one and only.And yes there could be no other god besides HIM. I hope U got ur answer.

Peace to U.

 

[abdullah_001]

Ur previous post deserved a detailed reply,but due to lack of time I m forced to reply this small but most important portion of ur previous post.

My GOD is the GOD who created this universe. HE is one and only.And yes there could be no other god besides HIM. I hope U got ur answer.

Peace to U.

Ah, peace to you too, do you believe that Muhammad(sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) is his messenger?

All my arguments stop here.

:wa:

 

[Santoku]

This is not about semantics and as usual I'm not going to indulge people in a diversion to semantics from the topic. What we were talking about is about what the religion itself defines as slavery and the rules it sets on the matter. I hardly think that an exposition on the truth of that matter shouldn't be part and parcel of this discussion. It's absolutely essential to a discussion on this topic.

If by "work of a thousand years" you're referring to more of those instances of Muslims doing unIslamic things in the matter then the existence of these acts is certainly something I don't acknowledge--just like I acknowledge that the Conquistators pillaged and enslaved in the name of Christianity and the thugees murdered thousands while allegedly adhering to or basing their beliefs on Hindu doctrine. It's time that the world acknowledged that the only possible application such things could be to a discussion of what a religion itself teaches, when what it teaches is contrary, is pure ad hominem-based prejudice and/or aggression. No one ever has discussions about questioning the rule of not looking at your opponent's cards in poker because so many people break it and win repeatedly claiming to do they do for love of the game. These days, only religions get treatment like that.

Semantics? No, facts, for a thousand years muslims raids for "something" people dragged away from their homes and families, in Europe and in Africa. These are what we call slaves, now suddenly there is a new meaning of the words slave, an Islamic meaning. (That , by the way, is the meaning of the "work of a thousand years")
If you wish to compare treatments of ??????s then we have to define what you mean by a ?????. And what you call the ?????s.

These raids went on for a thousand years and was indulged in by people of all levels in muslim society, that is the work of a thousand years I referred to, that is more than one or two people behaving unislamically.

You choose not to acknowledge these slave raids but do acknowledge the Christian slave raids. So despite the fact that muslims raided for and traded far more slaves than Christians you acknowledge only the Christian raids. You are quite right there is no point in continuing the discussion.

 

[justahumane]

Ah, peace to you too, do you believe that Muhammad(sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) is his messenger?

All my arguments stop here.

:wa:

Hmmmmmm, I would say that I m not very much sure about that. Sometimes I wish to believe, sometimes my heart says otherwise. A bit confused in this issue. Lets see what happens in future.

Peace to U.

 

[abdullah_001]

Hmmmmmm, I would say that I m not very much sure about that. Sometimes I wish to believe, sometimes my heart says otherwise. A bit confused in this issue. Lets see what happens in future.

Peace to U.

That is a very weird disposition. You believe that Vedas was a revelation, yet don't believe Qur'an is a revelation? Yet use Qur'an to judge rather than using your own book?

 

[justahumane]

That is a very weird disposition. You believe that Vedas was a revelation, yet don't believe Qur'an is a revelation? Yet use Qur'an to judge rather than using your own book?

No neither I believe vedas nor Gita were revealations, or word of GOD. When I told U that Gita is word of ALLAH than I was using sayings of holy quran only. I believe that if some book is divine, than its holy quran.

Peace.

 

[abdullah_001]

No neither I believe vedas nor Gita were revealations, or word of GOD. When I told U that gita is word of ALLAH than I was using sayings of holy Quran only. I believe that if some book is divine, than its holy Quran.

Peace.

Qur'an doesn't say gita is a revelation. If you believe that Qur'an is the revelation then what is holding you back and why do you call yourself a kafir?

 

[justahumane]

Qur'an doesn't say gita is a revelation. If you believe that Qur'an is the revelation then what is holding you back and why do you call yourself a kafir?

I know holy quran doesnt say this, but it says that ALLAH has given books to all Nations.

I m still a kafir coz some part of holy quran puzzles me. Like ALLAH can forgive any sin but wont forgive if someone associate partners with him. This is something which I m unable to swallow. Coz it makes great ppls like Mother Teresa dweller of hell while ppls like Saddam hussain still have chances of Paradise.

Why would ALLAH just put me into hell coz he himself destined me to be born in hindu family? How could he expect his all creations to think alike and believe in holy quran and his messenger? Even if he and she is born in a non-muslim religious family???

Its all so confusing.

Peace.

 

[Salahudeen]

The sin of shirk is forgiven unless one dies upon it, in todays world nearly everyone has heard about and been given the message of Islam.

Once a person has been given the message of Islam then he doesn't have an excuse of being brought up as being a hindu.

it's not hard to swallow at all because Allah says he is willing to forgives all sins except for disbelieving in him or asscoiating parnters with him, it's not that he can't forgive it's that he won't forgive, there's a difference.

Allah said that he does not forgive if you go to chaper 4 verse 48 Allah says

Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a treme

you see the verse in the Qur'an also this is mentioned in chapter 4 verse 116

Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far away.

so Allah already laid down the rules for us and he said that if you repent sincerly to him, if he pleases he will forgive your sins but the only unforgivable sin to him that he will not forgive is dying upon associating partners with him or worshiping other than him.

About the part where you said

"Why would ALLAH just put me into hell coz he himself destined me to be born in hindu family? How could he expect his all creations to think alike and believe in holy quran and his messenger? Even if he and she is born in a non-muslim religious family???"

Every person is born on fitra, which is the innate human nature, it's apart of our human nature to believe in 1 creator and worship him.

This means that if a child was born and his parents didn't influence him in anyway he would grow up beliving in god and worshipping him alone. But it's because of the influence of parents that they make the child divert from the pure human nature that everyone is born with and convert him into a hindu or christian.

That doesn't mean that they have the right to blame their families because they have a sane mind, they have a brain and they can research for themselves. It doesn't make sense to a normal person to worship a cow for example.

So if they receive the message, the message of Islam alhamdulilah reaches everywhere, so the message is out there they have to do their part, they have to research and find out.

God doesn't destine you to hell, you destine your self to hell, there are certain things in your life that you will have to go through, some of the things god has ordained on you,

something is going to happen in your life, for example somebody dies, you get a car accident, you lose a job, there a certain things you have to go through in your life.

But this is the test upon you, how are you going to react to those things which is upto you, yes God is all knowing, he knows how your going to react to these things already ahead of time. he has the knowledge of how your going to react to these things but never the less that doesn't change the fact that you reacted to these things so you can't ask a question and say well i'm predestined to go to hell because I was born in a indian family that's not true that's nonsense you have a choice if you make the right choices it doesn't matter if your born in an indian family or an italian family.

it's a duty upon everybody to reasearch and find out for themselves and find out the truth, even if your born into a Muslim family that doesn't mean your upon the correct path, that doesn't mean everything is ok and your guided.

there is alot of children that are born into Muslim family's that are misguided big time even they go as far as they go out the fold of Islam. Many people are born into Muslim family's and they get taught tradition more than Islam and sometimes they get mixed up and end up praticing tradition more than Islam itself

so it's a duty upon everybody to reasearch, everybody has to find out their path, you can't say I was born in an Indian family that's it I'm gonna have to go to hell.

you choose the path that takes you to hell or you choose that will lead you to paradise with the mercy of god.


God gave us a brain to think if a person is born in a hindu family and is worshipping an animal like cow or rat he must use his brain a little bit and think how can a cow or rat help me.

so it's very easy, people often say

"is it my mistake that I was born in a non muslim family, it's not my fault god made me born in a hindu family so you know it's not my mistake I'm born a hindu i must continue hindu",

this is illogical,

 

[aamirsaab]

Th-th-th-th-th-th-that's all folks!