justahumane, please do not try to pull a fast one here
do you even know the reasons of that war? Should I enlighten you a bit? Or are you going to dance around the issue and not explain why Indian army crossed a national border and attacked another country? So what if they freed them? First, they crossed a national border, attacked Pakistani Army then captured them and later on they freed them for sake of peace treaty and let us not forget how those POW were treated. So what do you call this: a favour and kind act? Stop living in disney land world!
Thanks for enlightening me. Indian army crossed national border and attacked a munafiq army because they were mercilessly massacring ur muslim brothers and sisters and kids. They were raping helpless muslim women. Indian army only got into action when things went horrible and millions were killed. U should be thankful to Indian army rather than angry. It was indeed a noble act of Indian army who saved life of hundreds of millions of muslims.
you are just quoting one incident to prove what? What about thousands of prisoners in American and other dungeons? What about the treatment of POWs by the kuffaar throughout history? Who is living in fairytale and dream world: us or yourself?
I am surprised that you bring this point out as if Islam said POW can never be freed. Please read my previous post and others; this has been already explained many times
I m quoting this one incident to prove that there are better ways to treat POWs than to just make them ur slaves. I think that kuffar throughout history have done better treatment to their POWs as compared to muslims have done to muslims themselves, leave alone their POWs.
Every country has the right to shutup those who threaten its safety and commit act of treason. Who gave India the right to jump in this matter to help those who rebelled against Pakistani government - whether their rebellious movement was correct or not is a different story? Do you see Pakistan or any other counrty jumping in to help Indian minorities in their fight against Indian government? Who crossed the national borders to help a rebellious movement? So what is horrible? Really, why the lack of common sense?
If rebellion movement was correct, and in return innocent rebels were being massacred for no apparent cause, than it was most noble act to save those poor muslims who were being killed by a munafiq army. ALLAH who gave power and blessing to crush those munafiq army gave right to Indian army to jump in to save ur poor muslim bretherns. Horrible is genocide of poor muslim by a munafiq army, can U afford to differ? So why the lack of common sense?
Indian army never treated them kindly to begin with so it does not matter whether they have made slave or not
Secondly, regarding slavery we are talking about Islamic treatment of POW and how Islam deals with them. We already know how the kuffaar deals with POW. Because you reject Islam, you are never going to uphold the rulings described for POW in Islam even if you were to copy us. So your analogy/example holds no value!
Indian army gave them best possible treatment, however few exceptional cases of mistreatement was unfortunate and deeply regreted. But U know such things happen when U catch such a big no of human rights criminals.
I m talking about practical terms. I dont doubt Islamic treatment of POWs at all. But seeing the fact that how muslims have killed muslims throughout the history (Read from battle of siffin and battle of camels to Darfur today), idea of muslims making slaves their kuffar POWs is horrible. Kuffar need not copy muslims, the world already have had enough of it.
and here I thought this was suppose to be an exemplary act which we should be following
Oh thanks brother.
if we were to use this logic then your notions are the same. So where is the solution then? Should you not be spending more time cleaning up your system from this inhumane, unethical and barbaric law before questioning Islamic system?
Solution is to have full faith and ALLAH and free POWs so that they reunite with their families and kids. Which laws U are refering as inhumane, unethical, and barbaric, of making POWs ur slaves? But thats Islamic laws, how can they be barbaric? Plz correct urself.
when you look at slavery then you understand it how your culture and history has taught you. So due your lack of knowledge about Islam, you apply same principle and understanding on Islamic ruling of slavery; hence, you mix up oranges with apples. In Islam by slaves, we do not mean they are your pet dog - this is something found in your history and not ours.
Islam tells us that we are to educate them, feed them and cloth them and treat them like our brothers. And we learn from history that this has been carried out.
If you want to treat someone like your family then you keep them close to yourself and take care of them and not throw them in dungeons or leave them somewhere where their life could be under danger. I do not know where you get your logic from but what you are saying makes no sense
Thanks for reminding me my history and culture. I already told U that I have no doubts on Islamic laws, they are the best of course, but I highly doubt muslims who have throughout history killed their own bretherns. What is found in ur history is well known to us and the world, its time that U too get prepared to accept hard realities. Can I ask U how many muslims did muslims killed in battle of siffin and battle of camel under khilafat?
Well plz dont tell me what ancient muslims of 5th century used to do, that was time of the holy prophet. What U need to learned how muslims went astray after the holy prophet. Islam tells U that devouring interesnt is haram, has that deterred ur nation from refraining from interest? its just a small example to make U aware of the facts, that muslims have not learned anything from history or holy quran and they have shamelessly violated laws of ALLAH.
Permit me to tell U that U dont make any sense too, If U want to treat someone like ur family than U dont kill their families, U dont make them POWs, and U dont make them ur slaves in the first place, I m really surprised that U are not aware of these simple facts.
the examples have been set by early Muslims so it is not just a fairytale; it is just the fact you are ignorant of history or deliberately rejecting it. The law is there and and what evidence do you have that not even few people have followed it or would follow it. Secondly, in fact your notions are fairytale as not a single incident in your history has carried them out. If we were to use your logic, then it also applies to your notions regarding POW as there is no evidence that they would be treated nicely and freed for nothing in return.
Examples might have been set by early muslims, but later muslims set some misrable examples. My notions are not fairy tales, the biggest kuffar democracy has carried it out and have set the best example for today's world. Only ppls need to follow it.
Peace.
