So I've finally converted to Islam

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I'm afraid you're contradicting yourself now. On the one hand you're saying we should follow our Prophet SallAllahu 'alayhi wa Sallam, and now you're saying music shouldn't be banned. It's haraam because it's mentioned in the Hadeeth!

wAllah al-Muwaffiq.

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Salam
I know the hadith aswell. I also have a book of halal and harm by Dr. Yusuf Alqaradawi. He explains that music is ok except when it leads you astray.
And I am not conradicting myself if I know about this hadith.
 
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:) Incase you haven't noticed; I wrote about following Allah and His Prophet (saws), not the Quran on its own. It is not possible to follow the Quran on its own. The Quran says several times that you should follow Allah and His Prophet (saws). You do not have to be a "Sunni" or "Shia" to be following Allah and his Prophet (saws), as the two big groups are divisions of Muslims, who chose to label themselves with certain words; so that it may seem that they themselves are perfectly upon the straight path. So, I repeat: its best NOT to be divided into any group. Infact Allah commands us NOT to divide. For more information on Muslim Unity, please refer to:Muslim Unityon the esiraat website.

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Salam
Do you not know what sunna means, the word sunni means the follower of a tradition. not a group with made up beliefs.
And what you said is true.
Just that when you say forget Sunni and Shia it doesn't sound right.
Because Sunna in this case means the tradition of the prophet(PBUH) like you mentioned it says so in the Quran.
But these differences should not matter until we are untited and then we deal with them, otherwise the shaytan will benifit from this.
 
Salam
I know the hadith aswell. I also have a book of halal and harm by Dr. Yusuf Alqaradawi. He explains that music is ok except when it leads you astray.
And I am not conradicting myself if I know about this hadith.

I wonder why so many Muslims follow the fatwah of one scholar, which happens to be easy to follow, when it goes against the ijmaa' (consensus) of the majority of 'ulamaa??

And, we have been ordered to follow al-Qur-aan and the Hadeeth - not a scholar who happens to contradict these two, or derives a ruling which goes against the opinion of the majority of learned 'ulamaa all around the world!

Wa billaah at-tawfeeq!

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Yes, but we Allah know the hadeeth could be wrong. Allah never promised to protect the hadeeth. They are good for reading some and genuine some maybe are not. A Muslims should seek knowledge, not dissmiss it.
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I know ur eager to learn about Islam. But don't jump in at the deep end and drown urself in confusion.

First you need to learn the basics of Islam i.e the five pillars of Islam. These five pillars are the foundations of Islam. Hadith aren't. No structure is solid without the right foundations. What's more is at this stage you don't have to worry about false hadith. All hadith are authentic on these five pillars.. So begin with learning about what is necessary, and only after that worry about what hadith are saying about other matters. Stop over-loading urself with too much info at once and begin by learning how to perform salah. One of the first things you will asked in your grave is if you performed salah..

The Five Pillars Of Islam
1) Iman or Faith
"There is none worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God." This declaration of faith is called the Shahadah, a simple formula that all the faithful pronounce. The significance of this declaration is the belief that the only purpose of life is to serve and obey God, and this is achieved through the teachings and practices of the Last Prophet, Muhammad.

2) Salah is the name for the obligatory prayers that are performed five times a day, and are a direct link between the worshipper and God.

3)ZakahThe financial obligation upon Muslims. Each Muslim calculates his or her own zakah individually. This involves the annual payment of a fortieth of one's capital, excluding such items as primary residence, car and professional tools.

4)Sawm or Fasting
Every year in the month of Ramada-n, all Muslims fast from dawn until sundown--abstaining from food, drink, and sexual relations with their spouses (during fasting).

5) Hajj or Pilgrimage
The pilgrimage to Makkah (the hajj) is an obligation only for those who are physically and financially able to do so.


http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/I_Transp/IO5_FivePillars.html
 
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Congratulations brother SuperJatt on your reversion to Islam :)! I pray that Allaah blesses you with knowledge of Islam and helps you to implement it correctly in all aspects of your life, Aameen.

Brother Anis, I think what brother Ahmed Waheed is trying to say is that there should be no labelling of people, but rather everyone should follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah and stay away from sectarian issues.

Regarding the issue of music: this has been discussed on this forum elsewhere, see here for example. I think we should focus on the issues about brother SuperJatt in this thread, to avoid going off-topic Insha'Allaah.

Jazakallahu Khayr,

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I wonder why so many Muslims follow the fatwah of one scholar, which happens to be easy to follow, when it goes against the ijmaa' (consensus) of the majority of 'ulamaa??

And, we have been ordered to follow al-Qur-aan and the Hadeeth - not a scholar who happens to contradict these two, or derives a ruling which goes against the opinion of the majority of learned 'ulamaa all around the world!

Wa billaah at-tawfeeq!

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A.

Salam
Thats not true, otherwise we would be united right now.
In that hadith it says that what ever leads you astray is forbidden, but if there is music that has rememberance of Allah then its Halal.
And its wrong to say that you follow the Quran and sunna then you come to a scholar and say that, the scholar is well more educated than you.
I have the right to follow the opinion of which ever scholar I want and you are entitled to the same.
 
Lol - now the new-Muslims can be introduced to one of the most common things in the Ummah - squabbling.
 
Brother don’t get in all that sunni and shia business, that wont get you anywhere…what is important than anything is that you follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and also the teachings of the Quran..this is more crucial than following any group of people..just be a MUSLIM and you’ll be fine…stay away from all these little groups, its a major sin for people to cause divisions, we are one ummah and should stay like that and unite...those people who do go around making divisions in the ummah they will be punished accordingly coz its not allowed…When you in the grave the angel wont ask ya what group you followed on earth but they’ll ask ya who is your lord?, your deen? (religion) and also who’s your prophet?…and you gotta answer all these corecctlly and that’s the time where you cant lie..so my humble advice is that forget these groups and stick to being JUST A MUSLIM

also brother ask anyone on this forum what is more important following the sunnah and Quran?, or following a group/madhab..they tell ya sunnah and Quran..i hope you take this on board Insha'Allah..

take care brother

brother please take notice of this and also i just wanna add to this that at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) there weren't all these groups..All Muslims were ONE, all the ummah was ONE, this shows we were one and not divided in the first place....but down the years its just got messed up for some reason..and we started splitting into these little groups, so this is another reason why you should just be concerned about being JUST a Muslims and not a shia Muslim. sunni Muslim or whatever Insha'Allah

Jazka'Allah khair for reading my post
 
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brother please take notice of this and also i just wanna add to this that at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) there weren't all these groups..All Muslims were ONE, all the ummah was ONE, this shows we were one and not divided in the first place....but down the years its just got messed up for some reason..and we started splitting into these little groups, so this is another reason why you should just be concerned about being JUST a Muslims and not a shai Muslim. sunni Muslim or whatever Insha'Allah

Jazka'Allah khair for reading my post
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Mashallh brother, you have done your research well and are well informed

Jazka'Allah khair
 
sufism?? Hmmm.. you wanna be a hippie?? LOL! Dude read the Koran and follow the Sunnah and you'll be strait. The basic theme Islam is that this life is only to worship and submit to Allah. It isn't what you want. It's just how it is. This life isn't for getting all mysical and smoking weed and crap. Masha allah the main thing is that you believe in One God. Now before you follow ANY school of thought or "sect" or whatever... read the Koran.. read the tafsirs to understand the Koran.. read.. very important. After that if you still wanna be a hippie... fine! Puff-puff-pass and pray...
 
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I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)



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Salaam. Yeah I just decided to accept Islam


---Alhamdulillah. May Allah bless u :statisfie


Judaism: It just put me off, when I saw all the dissin' I mean the Virgin Mary was labeled a *****. I really don't even see the point why Christians get along better with the Jews then then Muslims, when the Jews diss Jesus and his mother - while the Qu'ran holds them in high esteem.


----yap . it's almost a mystery to me . I can't understand how it's possible ? :rollseyes

Jews don't respect Mother Mary (p) & Jesus (p) ; still Christians love them . Muslims respect both the mohter & son & Christians don't like us much.:cry:

I asked in another forum ( or may be this forum , too ) what's the reason behind this ? Still waiting for answer.





 
Sikhism: There is evidence to suggest that Guru Nanak, was most likely a Muslim then a Hindu or a Sikh, he prayed with Muslims, he ate with Muslims, his best friend was a Muslim, he went to mecca near the Kabbah, and we all know non-Muslims are not allowed near the Kahhbah. Conclusion he was a Muslim not a Sikh, all Sikhs should convert to Islam and me Muslims. I mean Sikhism says all paths lead to one destination so it doesn't really matter what religion you follow according to Sikhism. If I was a Sikh I would convert to Islam.

Dude read Guru Granth Sahib and find it out for yourself that gurus were neither Hindu nor Muslims. Find out the truth first why he went to Mecca, only then post it. I posted the truth and it took the moderators only a second to delete it.

Moderators: If you are going to delete this, make sure you delete the lie SuperJatt told about Guru Nanak in the quote above...
 
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Dude read Guru Granth Sahib and find it out for yourself that gurus were neither Hindu nor Muslims. Find out the truth first why he went to Mecca, only then post it. I posted the truth and it took the moderators only a second to delete it.

Moderators: If you are going to delete this, make sure you delete the lie SuperJatt told about Guru Nanak in the quote above...

Brother, I am not lying. All of my relatives are Sikhs. I am the only Muslim. I have looked into Sikhism. Let me explain.

Sikhism is known as the religion founded by Guru Nanak who was born in 1469 A.D. It is commonly understood as a compromise between the teachings of Hinduism and Islam. But a careful study of Sikh traditions and relics of Sikhism lead to an irrefutable conclusion that Guru Nanak discarded the Hindu doctrines and assimilated the teachings of Islam to such an extent that Sikhism, in its pristine form, can be looked upon as a sect of Islam.

Baba Nanak, by birth, was a Hindu. The elasticity of Hinduism makes it difficult to draw a line, crossing which a man ceases to be a Hindu. Deficiency in one's beliefs in the doctrines of Hinduism can be compensated by one's way of living and customs. But if one mixes with Muslims to such an extent that he eats and drinks with them and publicly performs religious rites of Islam, one would never be tolerated by Hindu society. The whole history of Sikhism shows that its founder, though born a Hindu, mixed with Muslims, joined in their prayers and performed other Islamic obligations, all in public. He wore none of the marks of Hindus upon him. On the other hand, he dressed like a Muslim and had all the insignia of a Muslim faqir on him. He passed his days with Muslim pirs and saints and ate and drank with them. It was a Muslim sufi he constantly turned to for advice and there is not a single instance in his life which indicated that he bowed his head to a Hindu pandit. There are many places associated with his name, where he is known to have performed Chillas, Nanak's chilla at Sirsa, a small town in the Punjab, is an example. (Chilla is an Islamic form of meditation). Travelling through Muslim countries he reached Mecca where he performed Haj (pilgrimage) and is also known to have visited the holy city of Medina. His choicest friend during these travels was a Muslim, Sheikh Farid, in whose company he passed twelve years of his life. Baba Nanak, while on pilgrimage, dressed like a pilgrim, carried with him a stick, Quran, a prayer mat and a water jug for performing ablution. Even his first four successors are represented in pictures as Muslims, carrying rosaries in their hands.

Guru Nanak also married in a Muslim family. This point is very important because no respectable Muslim family would have taken Nanak as a son-in-law, unless he was known to be a Muslim. Nanak lived in a country under Muslim rule where the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim would on no account be tolerated. This clearly indicates that Guru Nanak was accepted as a Muslim by his contemporaries.

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.

But strangely, the misconception has gained upper hand in the case of Chola as in the case with teachings of Baba Nanak, which, in spite of being purely Islamic, came by and by to be looked upon as a compromise between Hinduism and Islam.

The congruence of the teachings of Baba Nanak with those of the Holy Quran is so perfect that one cannot escape the conclusion that the Guru had accepted Islam as his religion. He declared that there was One God and He was the same for all and that He was formless. There is none else who is equal to Him. He is the sole Creator of this Universe. Everything is created by Him. He is the ultimate determinant in terms of all forms of His creation.

Sikhism believes in a one and formless God and it does not believe in idol worship. According to it, idol worship promotes attachment of God with something other than God and God cannot limit Himself in the form of an idol or a stone. He is beyond everything and in everything at the same time.

Sikhism does not believe in Avatar, i.e. God descending on earth to protect humanity. On the other hand, it believes that there are men who are spiritual to the highest degree, are blessed souls and therefore are assigned the duty to liberate humanity from its continual suffering.

The book Janam Sakhi of Bala Sahib is an authoritative source of Sikhism. Bala was Nanak's constant companion and he accompanied his Master for twenty years during his travels. It is true that in Janam Sakhi one finds much fiction mixed with facts. Bala was a Hindu and after Nanak's death, estrangemant of Sikhism from Islam had started. As such any statement contained in Janam Sakhi in favour of Islam has the weight of a hostile witness.

The following passages are quoted from the third edition of Bala Sahib's Janam Sakhi, printed by the press, Anarkali, Lahore in the early part of this century.

On page 134 of Janam Sakhi, we read, The Quran is divided into thirty sections, proclaim thou, this Quran in the four comers of this world. Declare the glory of one name only for none other is an associate with me. Nanak proclaims the word of God that came to him, thou hast been granted the rank of Sheikh, so thou shouldst abolish the worship of gods and goddesses and the old Hindu idol - temples.

The fundamental article of the Islamic faith, the Kalima, has been given the greatest stress in Janam Sakhi. A few Shaloks (verses) from this Sakhi read:

I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.
I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.

Those who repeat the Kalima and are not devoid of the faith, shall not be burned on fire.

Repeat the Holy Kalima of the Prophet, it shall cleanse thee of all sins.

By repeating the Kalima, the punishment of this world, as well as the next is averted.

Who ever repeats the Kalima, how shall he be punished? the merit of repeating the Kalima is that a person is cleansed of his sins.

In Bala's Janam Sakhi, we also read that during his pilgrimage to Mecca, Baba Nanak met Qazi Rukn-ud-Din, the Imam and had long conversations with him. It is reported that Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, it is written in the Book (i.e., the Quran) that those who drink wine or 'Bhang' shall be punished on the Day of Judgement.
Baba Nanak was not a Muslim in belief only. He recognised the necessity of worship in the form enjoined by Islam and laid stress on this point in his teachings. On page 193 of Bala's Janam Sakhi, we have: Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, hear from me the true reply: the saying of the Lord is written in the Book. That person will go to hell who does not repeat the Kalima, who does not keep the thirty fasts, and does not say the five prayers, who eats what is not lawful for him. These shall receive the punishment and the fire of the bottomless pit shall be his abode. It is also reported that Baba Nanak kept fasts for a whole year at Mecca and put his fingers in his ears and gave the call to prayer. It is also related that Nanak recited the Khutba of the Prophet and became happy.

The few quotations are sufficient to show that Nanak not only made a full confession of the absolute truth of Islam but also performed the obligations of Islamic law and enjoined others to follow them. Now the question arises how the religion preached by Nanak came to be identified as an offshoot of Hinduism. Anybody who is acquainted with the history of Sikhism would reach the conclusion that the transformation was due to political, not religious reasons.

Baba Nanak was not a mere convert to Islam. He felt he had been called to act as a spiritual guide and to take people into his discipleship after the manner of many Muslim sufis. This has lead later historians to conclude that Baba Nanak founded a new cult which took into his fold Muslims as well as Hindus and hence Sikhism was a compromise of the two religions. We have to reject this conclusion because no Muslim disciple of Nanak is known to have given up his belief in Islamic principles nor to have acted against any Islamic injunctions regarding prayers and fasting. Punjab, at the time of Nanak, was under Muslim rule and if Nanak had converted any Muslim to a faith other than Islam, he would have been sentenced to death for apostacy, (though it is un-Islamic to the core!) was strictly enforced by all Muslim rulers in the Middle ages, but Nanak's disciples were not harmed in any way let alone being stoned to death. This clearly shows that Nanak was looked upon as a Muslim sufi by his contemporaries. It is indeed difficult to explain fully the causes which led to the identification of Sikhism with Hinduism rather than with Islam. But so subtle and variant are generally the causes which shape the religious thought of a people, that a complete satisfactory explanation is often impossible in such matters.

The transformation of Christ's monotheistic teaching to Paulean Trinity offers a greater difficulty when one analyses the course of history. Originally a branch of Judaism, it soon developed into a movement entirely opposed to the parent religion. As plainly as Guru Nanak said that the injunctions of the Islamic law should be followed to attain salvation, Jesus also insisted that the Mosaic law was under no circumstances to be altered. Within a single generation, however, his teachings were altered, lock stock and barrel. Baba Nanak took Hindu disciples, but did not insist on their outright conversion to Islam. They could call themselves Hindus with their traditional life-style and still continue to be in his company.

Nanak probably knew that those who really accepted him as their Master, would ultimately follow him in the Islamic way. There is a strong reason to believe that with Nanak's death the influx of Muslims into his movement stopped all together. It was his personal charisma that drew Muslims towards him, and won their conviction that he was a Muslim saint. Accordingly, Nanak's death was the turning point and with this, the Muslim element began to disappear. The movement remained in the hands of Hindu disciples, who, by lapse of time, relapsed into their old faith. The political circumstances accelerated this estrangement. The culmination of this can be seen from the perception of the tenth Master Guru, Gobind Singh Ji, that the power of God on the earth was symbolised by the khanda, a double edged sword. From the fifth Guru, Arjun Dev, onwards, the Islamic elements started disappearing from Sikh literature including the Granth Sahib with only some of these teachings remaining in some Janam Sakhis written earlier.

My brother I advise you to convert to Islam this instant. And stop being a slave to Hindus.

He perform the Hajj, and even Prayed Salah.

What ruined everything were the Gurus who came after him, like Guru Gobind Singh who introduced the 5 K's, kirpaan, kara, etc...at all times.

It was Gobind Singh who changed the teachings of Guru Nanak - he lived his life and the books written about him are full of many fallacies.

What his personal beliefs were Allahu 'alam, but I do not think that it is appropriate to label Guru Nanak as a non-Muslim. He was a student as someone has already said, of Baba Farid 'Shakar-Ganj.'
 
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Can I just ask- why do you want info on shiism? Are you trying to choose between sunni and shia...?
 

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