SOMALIA: full and open war declared

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well...... might be..

But why Ethiopia want to wage war to Islamic Court... dont they ever think that, they might offend the Ethiopian Muslims (who constitutes 45% -50% of the population)

Ethiopia has three large Ethnic groups:

50% are Oromo (entirely Muslim population, live in squalors in the desert regions)
35% are Amhara (historically Orthodox population)
12% are Tigre (allied to Amharas, hold power in the country, Orthodox)

The Muslim population is nearly inexistent; they have a short history of war and are extremely powerless; that's why you never hear about prominent Ethiopian Muslims.
 
NM,

The Iranians are Shi'ites, but several of their soldiers were found there, although they could've just been Afghanis that were mistaken.

The Afghanis who were found are mercenaries left over from the 1980s conflicts; mostly guerilla technicians and squadron leaders.

There is also a major Sudanese general among the ranks who is eluding the eyes of Western intelligence in Somalia at the moment. He is also alongside another prominent Afghani general.
 
Ethiopia has three large Ethnic groups:

50% are Oromo (entirely Muslim population, live in squalors in the desert regions)
35% are Amhara (historically Orthodox population)
12% are Tigre (allied to Amharas, hold power in the country, Orthodox)

The Muslim population is nearly inexistent; they have a short history of war and are extremely powerless; that's why you never hear about prominent Ethiopian Muslims.

In the last Ramadhan, a local Malaysian tv network went to Addis Ababa for a documentary on Muslims in Addis Ababa... it was shocking... the 1,000,000 Muslims living in poverty and mostly are homeless...:cry:
 
NM,

The Iranians are Shi'ites, but several of their soldiers were found there, although they could've just been Afghanis that were mistaken.

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Maybe the IRanians belong to Sunni ethnic groups like the Kurds, Turkmens or Baluchis...
 
Now muslims have to agree this is an attack on islam. The reason west and speically america is ignoring this because Shariah was coming. American even openly rejected the idea of somalia getting Shariah. Well then agian some muslims might make up a reason for that. Just like when george bush said this crusade muslims helped him out in what he actully meant.
 
Now muslims have to agree this is an attack on islam. The reason west and speically america is ignoring this because Shariah was coming. American even openly rejected the idea of somalia getting Shariah. Well then agian some muslims might make up a reason for that. Just like when george bush said this crusade muslims helped him out in what he actully meant.

Oh boy, here we go again. Westernophobia.
 
I don't hate the west nor do I even hate America. I just hate the American Government and the neo cons who follow the government blindly.

My comment was not about hating the west. It was about the fear and/or paranoia that many muslims have of the west, that parallels 'islamophobia'. Everything that happens in the world is connected to the US and thier evil plan. Geesh.
 
haha I liked the Ethiopian PM's comments.**** the Somalias have fought well despite the fact they are inferior.they inflicted quite a lot of casualties.
the UIC have achieved a lot.They have actually worked with western forces to capture pirates,establish some law and order.you can google about that.
 
Islamic Fighters quitting Somali Front (Its over, go back to your homes...)

Its over, its all over...

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Islamic fighters attempting to wrest power from Somalia's internationally recognized government retreated from the main front line early Tuesday, witnesses said, a day after Ethiopian fighter jets bombed the country's two main international airports.

Troops loyal to the Council of Islamic Courts withdrew more than 30 miles to the southeast from Daynuney, a town just south of Baidoa, the government headquarters.

The Islamic forces also abandoned their main stronghold in Bur Haqaba and were forming convoys headed toward the capital, Mogadishu, residents in villages along the road told The Associated Press by telephone.

"We woke up from our sleep this morning and the town was empty of troops, not a single Islamic fighter," Ibrahim Mohamed Aden, a resident of Bur Haqaba said.

On the northern front, government and Ethiopian troops entered the town of Bulo Barde, where just two weeks ago an Islamic cleric said anyone who did not pray five times a day would be executed.

"We have withdrawn as part of our military strategy," said Sheik Mohamoud Ibrahim Suley, an official with the Islamic council in Mogadishu.

The Ethiopian and Puntland military are headed to Kismayo and when that happens, the show will be capped off.

Either the Islamists are regrouping in Mogadishu to push back harder than before, or they're slowly putting away their munitions and giving their good bye speeches.

My heart fell to the floor when I got confirmation from a friend living overseas that it was all over on the central front in Jowhar.
 
Re: ICU Lost key towns in Somalia

How the hell does Ethiopia have planes?

You know, those 'save Africa' commercials don't really tell the whole story, I mean, even the Taliban had a few MiGs in their early days.

:rollseyes


would it be a regional war? Like Eritrea and Sudan supporting ICU.

Sudan really isn't playing a huge hand in this affair, its not playing ANY role. Why the heck do people make the 'Sudan' connection? Sudan is a North African regional nation and has no interest or similarity with Somalia. It puzzles me sometimes how these conclusions are made...

The major regional players will be Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Eritrea, and Tanzania to a very small extent if the Islamists gain such power.
 
Now muslims have to agree this is an attack on islam. The reason west and speically america is ignoring this because Shariah was coming. American even openly rejected the idea of somalia getting Shariah.

America will 'ignore' this because even Bush isn't stupid enough to get the US involved with Somalia again considering what happened last time. As for everybody else, the political situation is complex, not least because it was continuing aggression by the UIC in trying to expand their area of influence that gave the Ethopians the excuse they needed. Add to that the fact that the African Union has now backed the Ethiopians and the obvious policy for the likes of the US, China, Russia and the EU is to stay as far away as possible.

It is not an 'attack on islam'... although it no doubt suits the UIC to pretend it is. The Ethopians couldn't care less about who is muslim and who isn't, and who has Shariah and who doesn't - let alone go to war about about it. It's about political power, who has control, what they intend to do with it and what Ethiopia and Eritrea can get out of it.
 
Re: ICU Lost key towns in Somalia

How the hell does Ethiopia have planes?
I say its a good opportunity to end their small stockpile of planes, i am sure the courts have some stingers or a soviet made ones with them
 
Re: ICU Lost key towns in Somalia

I say its a good opportunity to end their small stockpile of planes, i am sure the courts have some stingers or a soviet made ones with them

It's actually one of the largest airforces in Africa, albeit of varying vintage.
 
Re: Islamic Fighters quitting Somali Front (Its over, go back to your homes...)

Its over, its all over...



The Ethiopian and Puntland military are headed to Kismayo and when that happens, the show will be capped off.

Either the Islamists are regrouping in Mogadishu to push back harder than before, or they're slowly putting away their munitions and giving their good bye speeches.

My heart fell to the floor when I got confirmation from a friend living overseas that it was all over on the central front in Jowhar.

subhanallah there are people here who would give up after one victory for the enemies of Allah!?!?!?!

is the war all won for the kuffar and over with in afghanistan or are the mujahadeen pushing back and fighting hard and making it almost impossible for the kuffar and their apostate allies to control anything more than the towns and cities they have troops?

do the mujahadeen in iraq not have most british and US troops frightened to leave their bases and have they not also siezed towns and then lost them? did they say o' well lets all go home then, we lost falluja, it was all for nothing'

no of-course not. they recognise that victory comes from Allah, and that the reward of the one who travels in the path of Allah is two, either victory or martrydom.

sometimes people are tested but we should not give up after one major battle or if we did islam would never have got where it is today.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
Re: Islamic Fighters quitting Somali Front (Its over, go back to your homes...)

subhanallah there are people here who would give up after one victory for the enemies of Allah!?!?!?!

is the war all won for the kuffar and over with in afghanistan or are the mujahadeen pushing back and fighting hard and making it almost impossible for the kuffar and their apostate allies to control anything more than the towns and cities they have troops?

do the mujahadeen in iraq not have most british and US troops frightened to leave their bases and have they not also siezed towns and then lost them? did they say o' well lets all go home then, we lost falluja, it was all for nothing'

no of-course not. they recognise that victory comes from Allah, and that the reward of the one who travels in the path of Allah is two, either victory or martrydom.

sometimes people are tested but we should not give up after one major battle or if we did islam would never have got where it is today.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Very true. I was shocked this morning to see the heartbreaking headlines. You are correct, it is not yet over. The Islamists have said they are digging in for a war of attrition, and hopefully they come out on it.

I, furthermore, believe the Islamists were betrayed by their Muslim allies; no real help came from Eritrea, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt!
 
Re: Islamic Fighters quitting Somali Front (Its over, go back to your homes...)

Very true. I was shocked this morning to see the heartbreaking headlines. You are correct, it is not yet over. The Islamists have said they are digging in for a war of attrition, and hopefully they come out on it.

I, furthermore, believe the Islamists were betrayed by their Muslim allies; no real help came from Eritrea, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt!

some of them might have been muslim, but none of them are nations fighting for islam.

i think this will be a hard lesson for the islamic courts, just as other islamic movements had to learn simular hard lessons not to rely on secularistics or believe the old saying of my enemies enemy is my friend as such friendships are never trustworthy or last.
 
Even worse news; the secular Somali government wants to make Khat LEGAL!! :laugh:


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Hurreh, the Somali foreign minister, said Somalis will embrace the fall of the Islamic militias. Their severe interpretation of Islam is reminiscent, to some, of Afghanistan's Taliban regime — ousted by a U.S.-led campaign in 2001 for harboring Osama bin Laden.

"A lot of people in Mogadishu will be very happy to chew some qat and have the Islamic courts out of their way," Hurreh said, referring to the narcotic leaf banned by many of the Islamic courts.

SICK SICK SICK!!!
 
Even worse news; the secular Somali government wants to make Khat LEGAL!! :laugh:


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SICK SICK SICK!!!

most of their fighters are addicted to this stuff, how could they maintain the ban?

even the western media is reporting that the so called govt forces are actually a mixture of ethiopian troops and the warlords militia who escaped to ethiopia a few months before, all of them qat addicts.

the islamic courts were too merciful, those who refused to surrender then should have been killed to the last man, insha'allah they dont make the same mistake again.

saying that, in the somalia 2006 report it showed former warlord militia being reformed in camps so if they surrender then yes let them be reformed but if not then kill them so they cant come back again.
 
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