SOMALIA: full and open war declared

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SilentObserver said:
Why? The UIC prolonged the suffering of the people. If the transistional government had not been opposed by these troublemakers, the life of the Somaliis could have been made alot better by now.
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Lets see what the Ethiopian troops and Transitional gov't did for Somali people and towns:

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After the Islamist withdrawal, residents and local militiamen looted Buur Hakaba, 30 km (20 miles) east of Baidoa, stealing boxes of food and medicine, witnesses said.

"The town is in total chaos," said resident Adan Hassan.
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Thanks a lot, Western-backed hand of justice, you've done it again!

Thanks a lot for Iraq #2! +o(
 
SilentObserver said:
Why? The UIC prolonged the suffering of the people. If the transistional government had not been opposed by these troublemakers, the life of the Somaliis could have been made alot better by now.
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silentobserver,

the transitional govt are the warlords that ruined somalia, except now in fancy western suits. Abdullahi Yusuf is a warlord, his men are his militia.

just check out his biog on wiki if you dont believe me. but he is a crook, a criminal, a man responsible for running a hoard of men hooked on qat who use violence, murder and rape to keep order and loot everything that isnt nailed down and even then they will loot it still and the nails as well.

check the headlines in the western media, the towns 'liberated' from the Islamic courts are already being looted.

Abu Abdullah
 
It is expected that things are going to be chaotic for a while. The country has been in turmoil for decades. Given a chance things would be made better. But that is the problem, "given a chance". This won't be allowed to happen because the troublemakers will see to it that it fails, and then say "see, thier way doesn't work!".
 
SilentObserver said:
It is expected that things are going to be chaotic for a while. The country has been in turmoil for decades. Given a chance things would be made better. But that is the problem, "given a chance". This won't be allowed to happen because the troublemakers will see to it that it fails, and then say "see, thier way doesn't work!".
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Such chaos wasn't witnessed when the Islamic Courts seized power in the towns they held.

This was the basis of the Islamic Courts; have courts in place, then seize town.

This is the basis of the lawless gov't; seize town, then exit.

No strategy for the people, its just about power to the gov't.
 
Dahir said:
Such chaos wasn't witnessed when the Islamic Courts seized power in the towns they held.
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Of course not. Do as we do, do as we say, pray as we pray, or we will kill you. That is not freedom, it is oppression. And certainly is not happiness for the people.
I repeat this statement because it is important and true:
Given a chance things would be made better. But that is the problem, "given a chance". This won't be allowed to happen because the troublemakers will see to it that it fails, and then say "see, thier way doesn't work!".
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SilentObserver said:
Of course not. Do as we do, do as we say, pray as we pray, or we will kill you. That is not freedom, it is oppression. And certainly is not happiness for the people.
I repeat this statement because it is important and true:
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So, legalizing drugs is good for the populace?

You see, you know NOTHING about Somalia.

Somalia needs CONTROL, not freedom.

The Somali people have had far too much freedom, and people have taken advantage of those freedoms.

Somalia is in dire need of control; once control is established, then we can talk; but if you can't establish control, what is there?

Are you totally misguided, what do you think this war is about?? Its about controlling the warring populations, drugs, heresy, and conflict!!

Somalia, above ANYTHING else, is in need of CONTROL -- I can't emphasize that enough!!

When gunmen are running the streets and people are being killed en masse, does music matter; do sensuous clothes matter, does alcohol matter?? NO!!
 
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i dont have any issue with executing of male prisoners of war, in islam it is upto the general or amir of the state if he is available to make the decision on whether to release them to show mercy, to kill them or to enslave them.

what i have an issue with is the terrible way that the west treats women and children in war. this i have an issue with, not the killing of men in battle or after it.
 
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Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

sad to say i am close to agreeing with you, certain non-muslims on this board have made my ignore list as obvious trouble makers and this guy is close to being the latest member of it.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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I'm sorry you feel that way. But why would that be? Is it that any person that has a different opinion than you is a troublemaker? Isn't the end result of what we both want the same? That is the end of suffering for the people in Somalia?
I would not put you on my ignore list for disagreeing. I think it is rather intolerant of you to want to label a person a troublemaker for simply thinking differently. This forum would be boring with nothing to talk about if we all were drones thinking the same way.
 
I think that the power and popularity of the UIC amongst the Somali people has been greatly exaggerated by the media. First of all, they don't control as much territory as the media claims and their military strength is hugely overrated.

As for their popularity, compliance because of brute force does not mean they are liked. If the UIC really claims to have popular support, let them contest in a free and fair UN monitored elections rather than force people to accept them at gun point.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I think that the power and popularity of the UIC amongst the Somali people has been greatly exaggerated by the media. First of all, they don't control as much territory as the media claims and their military strength is hugely overrated.

As for their popularity, compliance because of brute force does not mean they are liked. If the UIC really claims to have popular support, let them contest in a free and fair UN monitored elections rather than force people to accept them at gun point.
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the nature of somalis situation is one about power. people have had freedom for way to long and law and order has long eroded, now these people want law and order andjustice for the people, and everyone is against them, and want a dictatorship to return to somalia.

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may allah bring us peace and justice.
 
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aqonsi said:
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the nature of somalis situation is one about power. people have had freedom for way to long and law and order has long eroded, now these people want law and order andjustice for the people, and everyone is against them, and want a dictatorship to return to somalia.

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may allah bring us peace and justice.
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LOL - Calm down brother. Yes i'm aware of the decades of civul war in the region. Has the UIC really brought stability to Somalia?
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
LOL - Calm down brother. Yes i'm aware of the decades of civul war in the region. Has the UIC really brought stability to Somalia?
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ok :statisfie

yes as much as they could have done, no one is perfect. but everyone wanted them to get back some form of order, something we have been lacking for a long time.
 
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