Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

['Abd-al Latif]

You're taking the thread off topic bro [emoji52]

 

[TDWT]

You're taking the thread off topic bro [emoji52]

Thoughts on the video?

 

[greenhill]

Well, i mean i heard many of them have a negative view of islam due to being oppressed in the name of it and they think it's like a political ideology or something, so wouldn't they be excused then?

You know, Allah has already said that no a soul will be wronged by even an atom's worth. So why find things in the world that would create such doubts as to how Allah will deal with the matter? He has asked from over 1400 years ago for anyone to challenge the Quran and to date, nothing in the Quran has been contradicted.

If you (or anybody for that reason) cannot find answers, it is due to our limitations, not Allah's. If we create doubt because we do not know the answer(s), what it goes to show is that we have not fully submitted to His AlMighty Will. We are not His true slave.

Maalikiyawmiddeen - Sovereign of the day of recompense

Then again, Allah also said that hidayah is His to give. It has nothing to do with us. Will we start questioning that too? Why does He have to choose? So if He chooses when to give why do we need to spread the word? and whatever other doubts you can create in your mind.

I can give you more reasons to ask questions, similar questions and at the end of the day, I realise something, all these subtly complex questions comes about from an intelligent mind. This intelligent mind is 'used' by the accursed to create something within ourselves almost as though to plant a seed of doubt will erode the chain of a slave to Allah. Like saying, I will only fully submit if this can be explained... almost a surge of arrogance

The thing is, do you submit or do you not? Allah already said again that no soul will bear another soul's sins. So what that means is that we all should really concentrate on our own deeds and not the fate of others as it is theirs to bear. We can only pray for them, dakwah to them because apart from that, the hidayah belongs to Allah, and there is no compulsion in religion. So really our hands are very tied (except for what we decide to do for ourselves) and we have to have faith in Allah being the Most Forgiving (except in the matters of syirk!) and that He is Most Fair.

I think if kept simple, always going back to the drawing board to keep from going off trajectory and being ensnared by the accursed, we must realise what is our duty. Judging the fate of others based on what you think they have been given fairly or not, is definitely not one of them.


eace:

 

[TDWT]

You know, Allah has already said that no a soul will be wronged by even an atom's worth. So why find things in the world that would create such doubts as to how Allah will deal with the matter? He has asked from over 1400 years ago for anyone to challenge the Quran and to date, nothing in the Quran has been contradicted.

If you (or anybody for that reason) cannot find answers, it is due to our limitations, not Allah's. If we create doubt because we do not know the answer(s), what it goes to show is that we have not fully submitted to His AlMighty Will. We are not His true slave.

Maalikiyawmiddeen - Sovereign of the day of recompense

Then again, Allah also said that hidayah is His to give. It has nothing to do with us. Will we start questioning that too? Why does He have to choose? So if He chooses when to give why do we need to spread the word? and whatever other doubts you can create in your mind.

I can give you more reasons to ask questions, similar questions and at the end of the day, I realise something, all these subtly complex questions comes about from an intelligent mind. This intelligent mind is 'used' by the accursed to create something within ourselves almost as though to plant a seed of doubt will erode the chain of a slave to Allah. Like saying, I will only fully submit if this can be explained... almost a surge of arrogance

The thing is, do you submit or do you not? Allah already said again that no soul will bear another soul's sins. So what that means is that we all should really concentrate on our own deeds and not the fate of others as it is theirs to bear. We can only pray for them, dakwah to them because apart from that, the hidayah belongs to Allah, and there is no compulsion in religion. So really our hands are very tied (except for what we decide to do for ourselves) and we have to have faith in Allah being the Most Forgiving (except in the matters of syirk!) and that He is Most Fair.

I think if kept simple, always going back to the drawing board to keep from going off trajectory and being ensnared by the accursed, we must realise what is our duty. Judging the fate of others based on what you think they have been given fairly or not, is definitely not one of them.


eace:

It's clearly been stated that non muslims are hellhound though

 

[greenhill]

Yes. That is the test. When there is a test, it will be to separate those who pass from those who fail. Who pass and who fail will be based on the decisions they make.

Plus, it is not our law.. it is Divine decree... so we understand not as much, but do we submit?


eace:

 

[M.I.A.]

just had a guy walking past chucking pages he ripped from a book through doorways...

people need help.

i cant upload the pic? it seems like a comparative religion book.. maybe written from a christian perspective?

he must be very upset.

i shouted at him for chucking something into my shop but he kept walking..

i suppose things could be worse. alhamdulillah.

..some people would use books for kindling i suppose.

lol.. that didn't work..

https://postimg.org/image/cxzkydcxj/


...upon actually reading it.. it may be from a muslim perspective..

if that changes anything i do not know.


...might look an idiot if i go pick things up of the road.

wow.

i told one of the brothers.. and he picked up the pages he could and said hes taking them to the mosque.

made him angry really. made me upset.

 

[Muhaba]

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

You should just believe a) that Allah is the most just, b) as Musa Alayhi Salam said to pharaoh about his forefathers (chapter 20, verse 52), "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a record. My Lord neither errs nor forgets."

So basically you don't know their faith when they're dying. Only Allah does. If they are kafir, then yes they will go to Hell. People have been given intellect and if they don't use it to get guidance and cling to their wrong beliefs despite all the signs being shown to them, then they deserve whatever punishment Allah chooses to give them. (But once again, only Allah knows their inner faith.) Your concern shouldn't be with that. What you should be concerned about is yourself, your faith and actions , and how you can give dawah to those accessible to you to save them from hell.

 

[M.I.A.]

5.82. You will most certainly find that, of the people (of unbelief), the most violent in enmity toward the believers (the Muslims) are the Jews and those who associate partners with God. And you will most certainly find that the nearest of them in affection to the believers (the Muslims) are those who say: "We are Christians. " This is because there are among them (the Christians) hermits (who devote themselves to worshipping God, especially at night) and monks (who struggle with their carnal selves, ever fearful of God's punishment), and because they are not arrogant.


...although..

make of it what you will.

 

[crimsontide06]

No person who has the ability and means to learn about Islaam can use the excuse of "a distorted image of Islaam" being presented to them. They are supposed to make the effort to seek the truth.

Simple question:

Why did 1.5 million people accept Islaam immediately after 9/11?

People possessing internet have no excuse for not searching for the truth. The ability to research anything is right there at your fingertips. What stops a person from learning about Islaam? Obstinacy, or laziness, or simply not caring about anything. They had the means but chose not to make use of it. They can't blame anyone else.

Was-Salaam.

That they believe they already know what Islam is. What reason would they have to take time out of their busy lives to learn about Islam, when they fully accept and believe they know what Islam is all about.


I agree that people should not be ignorant, I agree they should search (assuming they are linked with the correct resources) but the everyday person is just not going to do that.

 

[azc]

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

Initiate dawa, first, to your friends and do dua for their hidaya.

 

[TDWT]

Well, there is this agnostic associate of mine, who like me, is overwhelmed by all the suffering in the world and he told he wants to believe in an afterlife so that all people, even if they are non muslim can go to heaven so there is no more suffering for them.. Thoughts on his predicament? Should I tell him only muslims go to heaven?

 

[Scimitar]

lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

My questions will lead you to understand why your question is based on emotion and not theo-logic! in sha Allah. And the appeal to emotion, is always weak!

First question:

I wonder why you believe God created us?

Scimi

 

[azc]

What is the problem in saying that only believers will go in heaven..?

 

[azc]

Well, there is this agnostic associate of mine, who like me, is overwhelmed by all the suffering in the world and he told he wants to believe in an afterlife so that all people, even if they are non muslim can go to heaven so there is no more suffering for them.. Thoughts on his predicament? Should I tell him only muslims go to heaven?

give him dawah with hikma and ask him to think of his own life first , instead of thinking of the whole world.

 

[azc]

That they believe they already know what Islam is. What reason would they have to take time out of their busy lives to learn about Islam, when they fully accept and believe they know what Islam is all about. I agree that people should not be ignorant, I agree they should search (assuming they are linked with the correct resources) but the everyday person is just not going to do that.

in this age most of the people know what Islam is, nevertheless they run away from the truth

 

[azc]

Well I mean persecuted people due to the likes of boko-haram/isis, who are also in refugee camps and without internet I mean. Do they fall under the category?

even if the dawah hasn't reached to them, why Allah swt has given them this brain, they will be questioned

 

[azc]

:wasalam:The hadith which mention "Every child born in fitrah, then his parent that makes him become Jew, Christian, or Majusi", actually is explanation of prohibition to kill non-Muslim children, even in war. The cause/background of that hadith was an event when some Muslims killed mushrikin children in a war. When Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam questioning why they killed the mushrikin children, they said they killed those children because those children were mushrikin. Then Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam issued prohibition to kill non-Muslim children in war, and said that hadith as explanation why is prohibited to kill children from enemy side.

can you give the source please ?

 

[azc]

Yeah but the thing is, I feel cruel when I hear about all these like non muslims suffering in the world and because they aren't muslim and die like that, they should go to hell and i'm just like 'oh, they didn't die muslim, tough luck/too bad', like I'm indifferent towards their sufferingThough I heard in south sudan, many of them aren't muslims because they were oppressed in the name of Islam and think it's like some kind of political ideology, would they be excused in this case as mentioned before

oppressors will be punished regardless of their religion. Everyone will get the justice on the judgement day..... Non Muslims who are suffering in this world will undergo light punishment in comparison with those non Muslims who are oppressors and enjoying their luxurious life will have to face severe punishment. But one punishment is equal to all non Muslims i.e. Not accepting the msg of Islam.

 

[TDWT]

oppressors will be punished regardless of their religion. Everyone will get the justice on the judgement day..... Non Muslims who are suffering in this world will undergo light punishment in comparison with those non Muslims who are oppressors and enjoying their luxurious life will have to face severe punishment. But one punishment is equal to all non Muslims i.e. Not accepting the msg of Islam.

What evidence do you have of this? Also, would you really say hell is light punishment? Hell is Hell, don't downplay it.

 

[Abdullah910]

Anyone who heard about Islam but disbelieved after the message came to him shall be thrown to hell.

We have to understand that nobody will stay in hell forever except the worst of people.

And Allah is the most just!