SUFISM: The Deviated Path

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Just wanted to share a relevant post I found just now by Dr Shadee Elmasry here:


If tasawwuf is such an essential science & practice, then why are Sufi groups so controversial? Why do some people fear them like the plague? Why is this sentiment found throughout the entire umma??


The main reason actually has nothing to do with the Sharia science called tasawwuf, which is based on the Quran and Hadith. The problem has to do with unverifiable claims of 'secret knowledge' used to override Sharia (and sometimes common sense!). This secret knowledge, usually via dreams or inspiration (a sixth sense that you haven't developed yet because of your nafs, but the shaykh has it), is always accessible only to the one shaykh, who has been chosen by God and thus has a monopoly over this inspiration. This is the pattern of every corrupt, fraudulent Sufi group. These dreams and ilhaams (inspirations) are used to override the supremacy of knowledge (mentioned over 180 times in the Quran) and also used to rank people, to raise and lower them in an unseen spiritual hierarchy. (Sometimes they're not lying, but over-extend the meaning of their dreams and inspirations. Or misuse them.)

Now once people start believing in him, his word becomes a currency and a bludgeon over people. With one word of disapproval from the shaykh, all your friends will turn their backs on you. People begin fearing the shaykh more than they fear Allah. His opinion becomes weightier than the Quran and Sunna and the fiqh that's been agreed upon for centuries.


I have met dozens of people that have been utterly destroyed by getting sucked into corrupted groups like this, then getting spit out when the wrath of the shaykh finally turned towards them. Misguided Sufism might be less in its presence than Liberal Reform or violent literalism, but it's still around. Some victims of it have even lost their iman in total.


Don't misunderstand. We believe in karamaat, dreams and ilham, but it is just like any other blessing: it's a test. I can use wealth or Sacred Knowledge to control and hurt people, or to improve them. Likewise, spiritual openings that come after years of worship can be misused to divide and conquer. We believe in awliya, but we don't rank them like a sports league. This is forbidden.


 
Very true. Following shariah is the criterion of tasawwuf. advise to read the books of maulana asraf Ali tahawi rh on this topic.
 
If you read the pdf in post #57, we sill see what the sufis believe. They believe either God is everywhere, in everything, or you can become one with God , or God is a slave naudbillah. Allah is far above that, so are they not denying Allah His Rights by not recognizing them and attributing this falsehood to Him?

"It is possible to divide the ideologies of the extreme Sufees into three categories.

(1) The first category: Followers of the Illuminist school of philosophy. They are those who give greater importance to the philosophical ideas over avoidance of the worldly life. What is meant by 'Illuminism' is that the soul is illuminated by light, which diffuses in the heart and is a result of spiritual exercises, training the soul and punishing the body in order to rectify and purify the spirit. This is something, which may be a characteristic of all Sufis, except that the people of this category draw the line here and do not fall into what those who claim that Allaah dwells within His creation fall into, or that everything is Allaah. However this way of theirs is contrary to the teachings of Islaam and is taken from the deviated religions such as Buddhism and its like.

(2) The second ideology is that of those who believe in hulool, those who say that Allaah dwells and is incarnate in human beings, High is Allaah above and far removed from that.

(3) The third ideology is that of wahdatul-wujood, i.e. that all in existence is a single reality, and that everything we see is only aspects of the Essence of Allaah. The chief claimant of this belief was Ibn 'Arabee al-Haatimee at-Taa'ee, who was buried in Damascus having died in the year 638H. He himself says about this belief in his book al-Fatoohaat-ul-Makkiyyah”

“The slave is the Lord and the Lord is a slave,
I wish that I knew which was the one required to carry out the required duties.
If I were to say the servant then that is true, or if I were to say the Lord,
then how can that be required for Him.”

Al-Fatoohaat-ul-Makkiyyah as it is attributed by Dr. Taqiyyuddeen al-Hilaalee in his book al-Hadiyyatul-Haadiyah (p.43). "

- pdf

I had a quick read of the PDF..
Typical far right hyper conservative hypocritical hate speech from 'authority' directed at those whose message is universal truth and love..Been happening for millennia..
So what if people say God is everything? a Sufi telling me this years ago was part of my journey that brought me here..And we now have the knowledge that every thing is a vibration that reflects light and if God is the light of the heavens and earth and all within then it all might actually be connected to the One that created us..I simply cant see how talking and theorizing about such things is a problem?
The Author used the typical right wing tactic of making them out to be free loaders and dependents like they do to demonize many minorities which as usual is in most cases simply not true..Sufi's i have know are extremely self sufficient and live very pure righteous lives free and independent of the corrupt Zionist petrodollar system..
So there is no evidence of real wrong doing, just a differing of opinions? No malice, hate or slander, nothing that could lead to division and violence and terrorist acts?
Here the author talks of the spirit of Jihaad..

Likewise they haveremoved the spirit of jihaad, which is to fight in the way of Allaah, with whatthey claim to be the greater jihaad, i.e. striving against ones own soul(jihaadun-nafs). They base this upon the saying: "We have returned from thelesser jihaad to the greater jihaad: striving against ones own soul." Whereasthis is a baseless Hadeeth and has provided the opportunity in the previoustwo centuries for colonialist powers to occupy most of the Muslim lands, andSufism has not ceased pitching its tent in all areas of the lands of theMuslims.

This is not the bible and we are not people of the book. There is no such thing as "my interpretation" in Islam, we have the tafsir from scholars to go on and not left at the whims of our personal interpretations.

Jesus is your prophet too though, what did he say about hypocrites and their corrupt religion?
This is the first time a Muslim has actually told me a third party was needed to reach Allaha, I am certain all Muslims i ever talked with on the subject told me to interpret it my self, it seemed an important point, no partners ,associates or intermediates..
After how the Church corrupted and hid Jesus true message it seemed most natural the next messenger would emphasis the point..

The kingdom of God is within..
I will continue to listen to the vibration of my heart and an open mind when interpreting anything, not a Salafi preacher in Saudi Arabia..When i looked at who the Author was saw how far from peace the world of Islam is..

Only God can judge what is in someone's heart. But I was referring to this...


"Don't judge me" - "Only God can judge me"


More and more Muslims Toady are using the statement "Don't judge me" or "Only God can judge me" to run away from advice.


As Mufti Ismail Menk said: "Don't use the term “DON'T JUDGE ME” in order to run away from advice."


Don't use these excuses to condemn someone who corrects you, just because you desire the Haram.


It maybe that your justification of the Haram, and your condemnation of the person who corrected you in the spirit of Dawah, that maybe serious in the sight of God than the Haram itself.


Moreover, Imagine how it would have been if Abu Bakr & Umar said to the Beloved Prophet "Don't judge me" or "Only God can judge me" when they were called towards paradise and warned against eternal doom.


In addition to that, if you go back and try to find out who made these statements popular, you would find that the kuffar, specifically, the rap and Hip Hop artists, were the ones who made such rhetoric famous to justify their Kufr and evil actions.


Finally, the choice is yours, you can either follow the way (sunnah) of the Kuffar and the rap artists, or you can follow the way (sunnah) of the best of generation (the Sahabah).


"...so judge you between men in truth (and justice) and follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allâh." [38 :: 26]

I think key to a peaceful existence on this planet is if understand people dont need to be judged unless they are causing harm or loss..What anyone thinks, believes or how they pray and live their life is none of anyone else business other than Gods.

I am with persecuted, the hippies , the inspired Hip hop artists and the Prophets whos message is universal Love and Truth is the Path to God..
 
I think key to a peaceful existence on this planet is if understand people dont need to be judged unless they are causing harm or loss..What anyone thinks, believes or how they pray and live their life is none of anyone else business other than Gods.

I am with persecuted, the hippies , the inspired Hip hop artists and the Prophets whos message is universal Love and Truth is the Path to God..

I'll say again what mufti menk said, DON"T use that excuse to run away from advice. Kufr is kufr, you can live in peace now and burn in hell forever or wake up now and live in peace forever. Allah commands us to enjoin good and forbid evil. So if we see evil we will speak out against it. It is our business, unless you do what you do in your own house. Islam is a religion of moderation, there is no extremism on either side of the spectrum (sufi or violence).
 
If you read the pdf in post #57, (3) The third ideology is that of wahdatul-wujood, i.e. that all in existence is a single reality, and that everything we see is only aspects of the Essence of Allaah. The chief claimant of this belief was Ibn 'Arabee al-Haatimee at-Taa'ee, who was buried in Damascus having died in the year 638H. He himself says about this belief in his book al-Fatoohaat-ul-Makkiyyah”

“The slave is the Lord and the Lord is a slave, [38 :: 26]

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum.

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‘The third ideology is that of wahdatul-wujood, i.e. that all in existence is a single reality, and that everything we see is only aspects of the Essence of Allaah. The chief claimant of this belief was Ibn 'Arabee al-Haatimee at-Taa'ee, who was buried in Damascus having died in the year 638H. He himself says about this belief in his book al-Fatoohaat-ul-Makkiyyah”.

‘Ibn ‘Arabî has typically been called the founder of the doctrine of ‘wahdat al-wujûd’, the Oneness of Being or the Unity of Existence, but this is misleading, for he never uses the expression. Passages in his writings that approximate it have no special significance, nor are they out of place in the general trend of contemporary philosophy and theology, both of which affirmed the unity of the Necessary Being. Why ‘wahdat al-wujûd’ was singled out to typify Ibn ‘Arabî's position is not clear. Part of the reason is that he highlights ‘tawhîd’ as his guiding principle and gives ‘wujûd’ a special prominence in his vocabulary. It was utterly obvious to him that there is no Real Being but God and that everything other than God is unreal being; this is another way of saying what Avicenna says, that all things are possible or contingent save the Necessary Being. In short, Ibn ‘Arabî, and even more so his followers like Qûnawî, focused on the Real ‘Wujûd’ as the one, unique reality from which all other reality derives. On the rare occasions when his immediate followers used the expression ‘wahdat al-wujûd’, they did not give it a technical sense. The first author to say that Ibn ‘Arabî believed in ‘wahdat al-wujûd’ seems to have been the Hanbalite polemicist Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328), who called it worse than unbelief. According to him, it means that no distinction can be drawn between God and the world. His attack set in motion a long controversy over the term, often with little or no attempt to define it. At least seven different meanings were ascribed to it in the later literature, and Orientalists followed suit, declaring that Ibn ‘Arabî invented the doctrine, and then interpreting it negatively (à la Ibn Taymiyya) or, less commonly, positively (à la ‘Abd al-Rahmân Jâmî [d. 1492], the first of Ibn ‘Arabî's defenders to embrace the expression). (Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy; quoting Chittick; 1994b).

As you can see, the term ‘waḥdat al-wujūd’ is a misunderstood – and frequently misquoted – concept.

Taken literally, the term means ‘unity of existence’; but this is far from saying that Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) and His creation are one and the same essence; or that, somehow, He exists inside everything as an integral part of their own existence; while they are an integral part of His. The term is not to be confused with any notion of incarnation (as you suggest); such as exists in Christian Trinitarian doctrines, or in the beliefs of the Hindus. Such notions are kufr.

In a famous ‘proof’ for the existence of God, the Dominican theologian (St) Thomas Aquinas argues that the universe is composed of contingent beings; by which he means beings that cannot bring themselves – or anything else – into existence; and that cannot guarantee their continued existence. Aquinas argues that if contingent beings are the only ones that have ever existed, then nothing could have come into existence at all. There has to be a 'Necessary Being'; one that does not depend on any other for its existence, and which is the ‘First Cause' of all other beings. This 'Necessary Being'......this ‘First Cause' we call God.

IbnʿArabī employs the term: ‘wujūd’ when referring to this ‘Necessary Being’. He declares that wujūd belongs to Allah (Sallallahu a’laihi wa sallam) alone. He writes that: ‘Wujūd is the unknowable and inaccessible ground of everything that exists. God alone is true wujūd, while all things dwell in nonexistence, so also wujūd alone is nondelimited (muṭlaq), while everything else is constrained, confined, and constricted. Wujūd is the absolute, infinite, nondelimited reality of God, while all others remain relative, finite, and delimited.’ (‘The Seals of Wisdom’).

This is what IbnʿArabī has to say concerning the Exalted’s unique essence (my emphasis in every case):

‘Praise belongs to Allāh the Great; His Majesty is part of the manifestation of His Beauty. In His proximity He is the Near, in His loftiness, the Observer. Power, splendour, grandeur, and magnificence are His WHOSE ESSENCE IS GREAT BEYOND ANY RESEMBLANCE TO OTHER ESSENCES.

‘His essence is exalted above all motions and stillnesses, all bewilderment and mindfulness. It is too high to be overtaken by any explanation, express or implied, just as it is too great to be limited and described. It is beyond any physical descent or ascent, any tangible enthronement upon any throne, any haste to seek an object, and – when an object is gained – any satisfaction at reuniting with something that had been missed.

‘Just so, it is too great to be described in detail or in summary, to be the basis for creeds, to alter with the differences among creeds, to find pleasure or pain in action, or to be qualified with anything but eternity.

‘It is too great to draw together or be divided; FOR ANYTHING THAT REFERS TO BODIES TO REFER TO IT; for understanding to encompass the core of its reality; to be as imagination would describe it; to be as wakefulness or dream would seek to perceive it.

‘It is too great for times and places to hold it, for the permanence of its being to be measured with the passing of months and years, for above and below, right and left, behind and before.

‘It is too great for denial or confusion to hinder its majesty. It is too great to be comprehended by intellectual reflection, by the spiritual practices of masters of illumination, by the Knowers' secrets, by the majestic range of leaders' vision – for it is too great to be confined behind veils and curtains, and so cannot be comprehended by anything but its own light.

‘It is too great either to EXIST IN THE SHAPE OF A HUMAN BEING OR TO LOSE ANYTHING BY THE EXISTENCE OF PARTICULAR ESSENCES; EITHER TO ACCEPT AN ALIEN CONDITION BELONGING TO THE ENTITIES IT HAS CREATED, or to be defined by negative conditions (though it is confirmed by faith); either to be the place of manifestations, or to be known as past, present or future time.

‘It is too great for the senses to rest upon, for doubt and confusion to affect, for likeness and analogy to comprehend, FOR MATERIAL CLASSIFICATION, or for the intimacy of the man of knowledge.

‘It is too great to be the third of three in company. It is great beyond spouse and parents, BEYOND THERE BEING ‘A SINGLE THING LIKE UNTO IT’ (Ikhlas), beyond anything preceding its existence, beyond being attributed limbs, hands, fingers, feet, beyond anything else being with it in eternity.

‘It is great beyond the laughter and joy promised for the repentance of servants, beyond wrath, beyond habitual wonder, beyond alteration of state as it exists among humankind.

‘So glory be to Him, Mighty in His magnificence, Grand in His splendour. "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." – Shûrâ 11.’ (‘Kitâb Al-Jalâl Wa-l Jamâl).


According to you (quoting Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din bin Abdil-Qadir Al-Hilali), IbnʿArabī said: ‘The slave is the Lord and the Lord is a slave’.

This is incorrect. The opponents of IbnʿArabī accuse him (frequently) of stating that: ‘The Lord is a servant and the servant is lord.’

This is a deliberate distortion of what he actually wrote; namely: ‘The Lord is Real and the servant is real’ (The Meccan Revelations: Volume One; Part Two - The Reality of Existence).

Later in this same chapter IbnʿArabī writes of Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla):

‘He is, the Exalted, The Granter (al-Wāhib) Who does not weary (of giving out), the King (al-Malik), Whose Power is great and Immaculate (in the earth and in the heavens), the Kind (al-latif) to His servants and the Expert (al-Khabir) Who is ‘nothing like Him, and He is the Hearer and the Seer’ - Surah 42: 11.’

Tell me…who does IbnʿArabī portray as the servant here: Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) or humankind? Only a fool (or a liar) would declare it to be the former.

Very best regards.
 
As-Salāmu ‘alaykum.

You write:

Tell me…who does IbnʿArabī portray as the servant here: Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) or humankind? Only a fool (or a liar) would declare it to be the former.

Very best regards.

:wasalam:

I did not write, I quoted an author. If you have the equivalent educational credentials in the deen as the author then please do share that.

Otherwise, debate with the author on how he is wrong and have him correct what he is writing.
 
:wasalam:

I did not write, I quoted an author. If you have the equivalent educational credentials in the deen as the author then please do share that.

Otherwise, debate with the author on how he is wrong and have him correct what he is writing.

As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum.

No doubt about it, I don’t have better credentials than the authors you quote from. But I’ve read a guy who does……...and by a country mile. Name of ibnʿArabī.
 
Imam Tartoushi al-Maliki (451H-520H) was asked about the Sufis so he said:

“The Madhab of the Sufis is futile, ignorance, misguidance… and it is not allowed for anyone who believes in Allaah and the last day to be present with them, nor to help them upon their baseless ways and this is the way of Malik, Abu Haneefah, ash-Shafee and other than them from the scholars of the Muslims and to Allaah belongs success.”


Tafseer Qurtubi 11/237/238
 
Imam Tartoushi al-Maliki (451H-520H) was asked about the Sufis so he said:

“The Madhab of the Sufis is futile, ignorance, misguidance… and it is not allowed for anyone who believes in Allaah and the last day to be present with them, nor to help them upon their baseless ways and this is the way of Malik, Abu Haneefah, ash-Shafee and other than them from the scholars of the Muslims and to Allaah belongs success.”


Tafseer Qurtubi 11/237/238

‘If it were not for two years, I would have perished. For two years I accompanied Hazrat Jafer as-Sadiq (R.A) and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a knower in the Way (i.e. Sufism).’ (Reported of Imam Abu Hanifa: ‘Ad-Durr Al-Mukhthar’; Volume 1, page 43).

‘Whoever studies jurisprudence and does not study Sufism will be corrupted. Whoever studies Sufism and does not study Jurisprudence will become a heretic. Whoever combines both will reach the truth.’ (Imam Malik: ‘Kashf Al-Khafa Wa Muzid Al-Abas’; Volume 1, page 41).

‘I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three kinds of knowledge: They taught me how to speak. They taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart. They guided me in the ways of Sufism.’ (Imam Shafi: ‘Tanwir Al-Qulub’; page 405).

‘O my son you have to sit with the Sufis, because they are like a fountain of knowledge. They recite the remembrance of Allah (S.W.T) in their hearts. They are ascetics and they have the most spiritual power……………………… I do not know any people better than them.’ (Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, advising his son: ‘Ghiza Al-Albab’; Volume 1, page 120).

‘I knew it to be true that the Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way. Their conduct is the best of conduct. Their way is the best of ways. Their manners are the most sanctified. They have purified their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence.’ (Imam Ghazali: ‘Al-Munqidh Min Ad-Dalal’; page 131).

‘The specification of the Ways of the Sufis are five: To keep the Presence of Allah (S.W.T) in your heart in public and in private. To follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (S.A.W) by action and speech. To keep away from dependence on people. To be happy with what Allah (S.W.T) gives you, even if it is little. To always refer your matters to Allah (S.W.T) Almighty and Exalted.’ (Imam Nawawi: ‘Al-Maqasid At-Tawhid’; page 20).

‘Sufism appeared in the 1st century of Islam and it received tremendous honour. It purified the self, straightened the conduct and gave knowledge to people from the wisdom and secrets of the Divine Presence.’ (Muhammad Abduh: ‘Majallat Al Muslim’; page 24).

‘The Sufis initiate people in Oneness and sincerity in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (S.A.W), in repentance from their sins and in avoidance of every disobedience to Allah, Almighty and Exalted. Their guides encourage them to move in the way of perfect Love of Allah.’ (Abul Hasan Ali An-Nadwi: ‘Muslims in India’; pages 140-146).

‘Sufism is a reality whose signs are the love of Allah and the love of the Prophet (S.A.W), where one absents oneself for their sake and one is annihilated from anything other than them. It instructs us how to follow in the footsteps of the Prophet (S.A.W)……………The Shariah and Sufism; what is the similitude of the two? They are like the body and the soul. The body is the external knowledge, the Shariah, and the spirit is the internal knowledge.’ (Abul Ala Mawdudi: ‘Mabadi Al Islam’; page 17).
 
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Just saw this thread and haven't read through it all yet. From the little that I know about Sufism, this isn't a for or against post and I simply want ask.

Is it really necessary to be a Sufi to be spiritual and to separate oneself from the material world (in terms of being controlled by it, not some kind of meditation)? As a Muslim who (tries) to read and study the Quran/Hadith, performs the prayers, considers himself to be spiritual, disregards most material things other than the necessities, and overall, tries to be a good Muslim/person, what benefit would it be to me for following the Sufi way? Is the dancing, chanting, singing (?), and rituals (?) necessary to be closer to Allah?

InshaAllah I'll get a chance to read through it all.
 
Just saw this thread and haven't read through it all yet. From the little that I know about Sufism, this isn't a for or against post and I simply want ask.

Is it really necessary to be a Sufi to be spiritual and to separate oneself from the material world (in terms of being controlled by it, not some kind of meditation)? As a Muslim who (tries) to read and study the Quran/Hadith, performs the prayers, considers himself to be spiritual, disregards most material things other than the necessities, and overall, tries to be a good Muslim/person, what benefit would it be to me for following the Sufi way? Is the dancing, chanting, singing (?), and rituals (?) necessary to be closer to Allah?

InshaAllah I'll get a chance to read through it all.
Nope
Devil do not leave people for a sec.
Our some muslim brothers who do not have knowledge took spiritual path without knowledge got deviated as u saw and asked about them.
Or else suffism.never ever can go against or without shairah. Because suffism also meant path to allah. And it can only be taken from shairah . So shairah described us about tht dancing etc.
And furthermore these kind of suffis say dance is haram but got extreme spiritual doze tht make us like we are dancing and narrate one companion story as proof tht he was reciting quran so greatly tht his horse was dancing like been unconscious.
We not knw about this story or read from any place
 
"Sufism as an organised movement arose among pious Muslims as a reaction against the worldliness of the early Umayyad period"

I still don't understand the point of Sufism if it was supposed to be the answer to corruptness. That's an issue on an individual basis, not a religious one. If early Muslims were having problems and not following the way of the Sunnah, Islam didn't need reforming or have new sects branch out of it because of issues people were having. To come up with something new would mean that there were issues with Islam as a whole, otherwise there wouldn't of been a need for the Sufism belief. At least that's what I'm getting out of this.
 
Leftists and centrists have severe leadership crisis in India . YOu have a long way to go uwu .
 
Surah al kafiroon has answers . Why you try to convert others . You do realize this has created a lot of problems for your own ummah .

It´s not good idea to quote a post of member who can´t answer (as his account is disabled) but in general we try to convert others because we wish they too will have possibility to avoid the flames of the Hell. So we think other´s best when telling to them about the right path (Islam). Is it bad idea huh?
 
Yall do realise that sufism is about getting close to, and essentially loving Allah swt thru ibadat? There are also lots of different orders and beliefs within sufism?
 
Yall do realise that sufism is about getting close to, and essentially loving Allah swt thru ibadat? There are also lots of different orders and beliefs within sufism?

That's the claim. On the face of it seems as though Sufis are simply concerned with dhikr to get closer to Allah, which seems like an innocent and praiseworthy endeavour. However, the real issue is, just as it is with any group or sect, they restrict themselves to particular acts of worship at the expense of others. Sufis focus so much on dhikr that they fail to worship Allah as described by Allah and His Messenger. The basic principle in Islam is that all acts of worship are forbidden except for those that are approved within the Qur'an and Sunnah. One cannot 'invent' an act of worship and expect Allah to accept it. This includes acts like the Sufi dances, chanting, singing, etc.

You've said it yourself 'there are also lots of different orders and beliefs within sufism'. This is plain and clear division amongst Muslims because the Qur'an and Sunnah are not being learned and applied within these 'different orders'. There was no such nonsense as sufism or salafism, etc at the time of the Prophet (:saws1:). You label yourself a Muslim and follow the teachings of Islam as described in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

People these days are too concerned with labelling themselves as one thing or the other with each group claiming to be more righteous and closer to Allah than the other. The reality is these are all just names and imaginary boundaries that are far removed from Islam.

For instance, why don't Sufis focus on all aspects of Islam and follow the religion wholly and completely rather than making a mockery of one act of worship? The same goes for all other groups and sects.

If anybody here is offended by the above then the problem is with you. Not with anyone else.
 
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