Sunni - Shi'a unity

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*Yasmin* said:
Sunni and Shiaa (twelver) have differences which can't be ignored.
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That's the mentality that is keeping the Muslims so separate and full of hate! Sad sad thing.


*Yasmin* said:
and because you are a shiaa i wish you can give your opinion about shiaa cursing sahabah
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UMMM? what are you talking about! May be you should take your advice sister, and read scholarly acticles about Shi'as. True Shia. Shia's do not hate the sahaba. I do not know where you pulled that one out from.
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Sahabas are who supported Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the Aimma-e-Masoomeen.
I thought you were helping Shia, but you do not like Shia's ?
Well InshAllah you read scholarly articles and not hypocrites making us out to be bad!
 
Wow!
I read some of these comments, the hate for Shia are horrible! And haraam. There are shia's out there that would never curse any sahaba, I never would, and it is a big shame that anyone can say we can get along with them because of their beliefs, well just to clarify we read the same word in the Qur'an as you do, and Allah looks at that before he looks at anything. He looks to see if you are following His words and commands. So how can any of you sit here and have hate toward all the Shia's when a lot of them are good people.

And for the most part, you are judging and that is Haraam! The Qur'an say not to hate or judge any person belief and I pray you all stop this.

I will not reply to this any more. Brother YaAqsa said he wished we could all unite, and I feel he means shia and sunni, and if no one can accept each other than that will never happen! Sadly I don't see it with the mentality going on here, and being yelled at while praying in school, but I do see it in the mosque, and haj when all pray untied... InshAllah one day.. may be!
 
*Yasmin* said:



Sunni and Shiaa (twelver) have differences which can't be ignored.

i read a lot about shiaa, i wish what i read is wrong!

and because you are a shiaa i wish you can give your opinion about shiaa cursing sahabah.

with respect,
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Salaam alaikum

There is a lot of knowledge available to read out there for anyone sincere who wants to learn all sides before forming an opinion without irrational bias.

Sahih Muslim, Book 01, Hadith #0141
Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

Sahih Muslim, Book 31, Hadith #5915
This hadith has been narrated. on the authority of Shu'ba with the same chain of transmitters. Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyin appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said: What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camelg. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say about 'Ali as he left behind hrin in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'All said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no prophethood after me. And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We have been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed:" Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali, Fitima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.

No rational and learned Muslim will curse someone unless Allah SWT has cursed them, and as we know "Muhammad(sawaws) speaks not of his own desire, rather it is a revelation revealed" (Qur'an 53:4). So if someone who is educated curses someone who curses 'Ali(AS) they're only cursing the hypocrites according to Qur'an and Hadith.
 
first, i don't read for hypocrites sunni scholars. i read and hear from well-known scholars in the Islamic Ummah.

well i read about things in your books. and hear things from shiaa scholars' mouths. and what i hear shocks me.
yani i'm not pulling things from no where!


salam.
 
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*Yasmin* said:
first, i don't read for hypocrites sunni scholars. i read and hear from well-known scholars in the Islamic Ummah.
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you lack good education on shia's and you are stuborn to learn the truth from the real shia! What a shame!
 
flowergarden said:
That was to brother YaAqsa!

LOL yasmin! Allah guide you not to judge, as I talk about looking at the good shia's, shia's that wouldnt cruse anyone period!!!... and good you won't reply!
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thanks for your mocking.

flowergarden said:
you lack good education on shia's and you are stuborn to learn the truth from the real shia! What a shame!
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thanks for your judge! ..
 
I'm NOT judging! I never said anything to judge you, I merely said to truly educate yourself, not a judge! And how was I mocking you!?
this is funny and may allah bless everyone.



Ma'Salaam!!!
 
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Please delete all my comments on here.

As much as I would love a united Islam, this thread makes me sad and I don't want my account to be part of it, nor wish to raise any type of commotion.
Please delete them. JazakAllah Khair!
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Futuwwa said:
Today, I will be a shia too :)
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Salam

A Muslim must stand with the right thing nomatter how much it cost, Yes I am with SHIAA today too.

This Shiaa and Sunni thing is like a non Muslim who doesnt want to listen to a Muslim that his religion doesnt teaches to hurt anyone, that its full individual's fault.

So if we people claims to be a Muslim and this is how we attack each other, then no need to expect that Non Muslim would be willing to pause and listen to us.
 
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flowergarden said:
Wow!
I read some of these comments, the hate for Shia are horrible! And haraam. There are shia's out there that would never curse any sahaba, I never would, and it is a big shame that anyone can say we can get along with them because of their beliefs, well just to clarify we read the same word in the Qur'an as you do, and Allah looks at that before he looks at anything. He looks to see if you are following His words and commands. So how can any of you sit here and have hate toward all the Shia's when a lot of them are good people.

And for the most part, you are judging and that is Haraam! The Qur'an say not to hate or judge any person belief and I pray you all stop this.

I will not reply to this any more. Brother YaAqsa said he wished we could all unite, and I feel he means shia and sunni, and if no one can accept each other than that will never happen! Sadly I don't see it with the mentality going on here, and being yelled at while praying in school, but I do see it in the mosque, and haj when all pray untied... InshAllah one day.. may be!
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I don't hate shia, but I've spend considerable time with them and learning about shia islam from shia scholars I saw lot of hate for sunnis. Some of things in the belief itself I found were really disturbing, one main thing was cursing of the sahabas. Maybe yours don't curse but I went to a number of places, what I learned from shia scholars in all those places is cursing is important belief in shia islam, except for zayidi shias. But thats not the main reason I decided shia islam is not for me, but it might have played a role, because it was a major turn off. But that doesn't mean we can't achieve unity of peace in regards to doing good as br Eric mentioned, I'm all for that. But I'm not in favor of any military support or alliance.

Not to mention, recent massacres of sunnis in Syria and Nassurallah or/and Sistani not saying anything against that was very disappointing.
 
FS123 said:
zayidi shias
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I'm pretty sure these shia are just shia by name, ie they don't do any of the other things that are normally attributed to shias (cursing of sahabah, hitting themselves) they are mostly found in Yemen. My neighbor is a zaydi shia and if I didn't know she was shia I would think she was a sunnni.
 
YaAqsa said:
No rational and learned Muslim will curse someone unless Allah SWT has cursed them, and as we know "Muhammad(sawaws) speaks not of his own desire, rather it is a revelation revealed" (Qur'an 53:4). So if someone who is educated curses someone who curses 'Ali(AS) they're only cursing the hypocrites according to Qur'an and Hadith.
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Of course, hence, we don't. We love Ali (ra) and his family. They are our one of the most revered personalities.
 
Ghazalah said:
I'm pretty sure these shia are just shia by name, ie they don't do any of the other things that are normally attributed to shias (cursing of sahabah, hitting themselves) they are mostly found in Yemen. My neighbor is a zaydi shia and if I didn't know she was shia I would think she was a sunnni.
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You read it wrong, I said except zaydi shia. Meaning Zaydi shia don't do that. But for all the other sub sects of shias that I've learned about so far, cursing is part of their belief.
 
FS123 said:
You read it wrong, I said except zaydi shia. Meaning Zaydi shia don't do that. But for all the other sub sects of shias that I've learned about so far, cursing is part of their belief.
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My post was not a reply to your post. I just quoted zaydi shias because I just wanted to point out they are not the same as the mainstream shia. :)
 
Can we stop lecturing people of other denominations on what they believe in? I think they know best themselves.
 
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