Sunni - Shi'a unity

[Zafran]

Salaam

I agree with Futuwwa let the individual define what he or she believes dont just say I read X or Y in "your" books when he or she doesnt believe what your saying about them and there beliefs - thats the same thing that all the anti Islam guys do - they define Islam for us.

peace

 

[Riana17]

Can we stop lecturing people of other denominations on what they believe in? I think they know best themselves.

Asalam

Most of the people I know who lectures others of what to do, are the ones who seriously needs help.

It is too simple, if a Muslim commits a crime, or a Christian or a Jew, sure thing its not the teaching of any religion nor its not in their Holy book, its personal action and can't blame religion for it, no one can claim, he or she is a Christian, Shiaa, Sunni if he has intention to hurt or judge others like that,


Flowergarden although born to a Muslim parents is a new Muslim like me, she is new and learning about ISLAM, if she has intention to curse the Sahabah (pbu them) etc... why she didnt curse anyone of us here?

So inshallah as claiming to be Sunni, let us show what Sunni really means if that's what we guys are trying to prove.

Or most of you are serious and would like to throw all the Shiaa hatred to Flowergarden ?? What's the difference of that to Christian hating Muslim for 9/11?

 

[FS123]

Flowergarden although born to a Muslim parents is a new Muslim like me, she is new and learning about ISLAM, if she has intention to curse the Sahabah (pbu them) etc... why she didnt curse anyone of us here?

I don't know about her, but if you want to know about the practice go to a shia majaalis. If that is not possible then go to one of their popular forum, see the common view of shias about the practice. Shiachat.com is one of the most popular shia forums: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/

 

[Riana17]

I don't know about her, but if you want to know about the practice go to a shia majaalis. If that is not possible then go to one of their popular forum, see the common view of shias about the practice. Shiachat.com is one of the most popular shia forums: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/

Salam Alaikkum

It is not ideal to look at other's mistake when I myself is full of sin, its okay I know very well about Shiaa (not knowledge but personal contacts)

My colleague sharing my room is Shiaa and I observe she is better than many people who claims to be Sunni, I live in Q8 where Shiaa is abundant, My kuwaiti inlaw is a Shiaa and wow I vouch for his kindness and generosity, my sister is too lucky to have him.Alhamdollelah

Subhanallah he loves charity, he has huge patience, he never disturb his neighbor, he studied Engineering in London for 7years & 3yrs in US, travelled the whole world but never at all show proudness or show that he is better than someone. I lived with him for 3yrs, I know, and enough to talk about him

I had the opportunity to spend almost 2weeks in Bahrain too and I observe their kindness and simplicity, they are so friendly, they are mostly Shiaa and to prove that, they surpass Canada as the Most friendliest country in the world, forbes.com

I know Shiaa believes in Sunnah and the Holy Quran, if they do not follow all of them, I am not to judge or hurt them. I gotta fix my own first and even after fixing it I still wont judge them and if I hear something bad about them and believe for a moment I should control myself, because it isnt correct

Salam

 

[FS123]

Salam Alaikkum

It is not ideal to look at other's mistake when I myself is full of sin, its okay I know very well about Shiaa (not knowledge but personal contacts)

My colleague sharing my room is Shiaa and I observe she is better than many people who claims to be Sunni, I live in Q8 where Shiaa is abundant, My kuwaiti inlaw is a Shiaa and wow I vouch for his kindness and generosity, my sister is too lucky to have him.Alhamdollelah

Subhanallah he loves charity, he has huge patience, he never disturb his neighbor, he studied Engineering in London for 7years & 3yrs in US, travelled the whole world but never at all show proudness or show that he is better than someone. I lived with him for 3yrs, I know, and enough to talk about him

I had the opportunity to spend almost 2weeks in Bahrain too and I observe their kindness and simplicity, they are so friendly, they are mostly Shiaa and to prove that, they surpass Canada as the Most friendliest country in the world, forbes.com

I know Shiaa believes in Sunnah and the Holy Quran, if they do not follow all of them, I am not to judge or hurt them. I gotta fix my own first and even after fixing it I still wont judge them and if I hear something bad about them and believe for a moment I should control myself, because it isnt correct

Salam

True; and their are Jews, Christians, Atheist, and Agnostics who are better than many who claim to be Muslims.

I know Shiaa believes in Sunnah and the Holy Quran, if they do not follow all of them, I am not to judge or hurt them.

Who is saying to judge or hurt them?

 

[Riana17]

True; and their are Jews, Christians, Atheist, and Agnostics who are better than many who claim to be Muslims.


Who is saying to judge or hurt them?

Salam

Thanks for seeing my points.

When we show the fault of Shi'ism we are hurting them like Flowergarden, just how we feel when non Muslims thinks our Muslim brothers attacked the Pentagon. We are helpless

 

[GuestFellow]

Salam Alaikkum

It is not ideal to look at other's mistake when I myself is full of sin, its okay I know very well about Shiaa (not knowledge but personal contacts)

Waliakum Salaam,

There is a difference between correcting someone and judging them. If someone says something that is incorrect, there is nothing wrong with correcting them in a polite manner.

My colleague sharing my room is Shiaa and I observe she is better than many people who claims to be Sunni, I live in Q8 where Shiaa is abundant, My kuwaiti inlaw is a Shiaa and wow I vouch for his kindness and generosity, my sister is too lucky to have him.Alhamdollelah

Is it not ironic? You say that it is not ideal to look at other's mistake but here you already passed a judgment that a Shia you know is better than many people who claim to be Sunni. Are you not being judgemental to the Sunnis that you know?

 

[FS123]

Salam

Thanks for seeing my points.

When we show the fault of Shi'ism we are hurting them like Flowergarden, just how we feel when non Muslims thinks our Muslim brothers attacked the Pentagon. We are helpless

First, I'm not trying to show fault of Shi'ism, out of all my posts in this thread I've touched on the theological issues only in one post.

Second, for "Muslim brothers attacked the Pentagon" I completely condemned those attacks and so did the prominent scholars of Islam. But that is not what happened in the recent massacres of sunni community in Syria; Nasrullah or Sistani, the two most prominent shia scholars, didn't condemn them. Both are silent. What you want us to make out of it? Mind you I'm not blaming all shia for this, but their two main scholars not saying against it is concerning. And it is fair asking us not be concerned about it?

 

[Salahudeen]

Personally I've resigned to the fact that these differences will remain in the ummah because it was prophesied by the prophet (saw) so I don't see how we can beat prophecy and cause a united ummah when it's all ready been predicted that it will split.

 

[Futuwwa]

We can be one ummah regardless of the differences, though.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Futuwwa;

We can be one ummah regardless of the differences, though.

God created each and everyone one of us in a special and unique way, which means we are all different. As you profoundly said, we can be as one with the rest of God’s creation, despite our differences.

Every blessing be with you,

Eric

 

[flowergarden]

I don't hate shia, but I've spend considerable time with them and learning about shia islam from shia scholars I saw lot of hate for sunnis. Some of things in the belief itself I found were really disturbing, one main thing was cursing of the sahabas. Maybe yours don't curse but I went to a number of places, what I learned from shia scholars in all those places is cursing is important belief in shia islam, except for zayidi shias. But thats not the main reason I decided shia islam is not for me, but it might have played a role, because it was a major turn off. But that doesn't mean we can't achieve unity of peace in regards to doing good as br Eric mentioned, I'm all for that. But I'm not in favor of any military support or alliance.

Not to mention, recent massacres of sunnis in Syria and Nassurallah or/and Sistani not saying anything against that was very disappointing.

Dear brother,
I can understand what you say, and feel that SOME and only some shia are like that. I am shia, and I have and never will curse any muslim person, or any person in general. And NO it is not an important beliefe of Shia's to cruse any one! That is nowhere in any shia book of mine. I don't know why any one is saying this and I am shia, and have read the books.
And the scholars you have talked to, met. Maybe they are just extremist. I don't know who they are but my family is one of most peaceul families you will meet. I have had sunni friends and they love us. I have had men whom are sunni ask for my hand, and I really considered them. We would never curse any one.

About Syria, any person who has died in there attacks are traigic, and just becasue one person (or two or even thousands) don't send their prayers and condleances that doesn't mean all the shia's are sorry and sorrowed for what has happened! plus I haven't heard anything about Bahrain. and so many lives are being killed everyday.

But I'm not in favor of any military support or alliance.

Brother you a kind man, and I respect you... but if we don't have any Military support and alliance there will never be unity, so no there can be unity with out such!

Why isn't anyone realize we shia's and sunnis read the Qur'an before anything!? It is the words of Allah that matter first and foremost!

 

[flowergarden]

ie they don't do any of the other things that are normally attributed to shias (cursing of sahabah, hitting themselves)

Stop saying Shia curse Sahabah!
Some shia may, but majority of shia would never curse any person important to Islams! The few friends I have whom are shia, we would never curse ANY Sahabah. That is Haraam and wrong, and yes a Shia is saying it is Haraam and wrong!

And not all shia's hit themselvles, a lot of them consider that self harm and it being haraam. Some believe in it, a lot do not!

We pray like you 5 times a day, we fast with you, we celebrate Eid with you, we believe in all the verse of the Qur'an just like you! So please stop saying we curse others..
I could easyily say, I know allot of sunnis whom practice black magic, but I know not all, frankly most don't! So what your saying is judging and that is wrong brother, because most shia are not like that!

 

[IslamicRevival]

Who cares? Im past caring because lets face it, There will never be unity until the end of times, simple as that

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you flowergarden;

but if we don't have any Military support and alliance there will never be unity, so no there can be unity with out such!

I sincerely believe that any kind of military unity is built more on secular ideals than on God’s will.

Consider for a moment that twenty five thousand children die needlessly every day, from starvation, grinding poverty and preventable disease. These children are from all faiths and no faith, our unity should be helping and caring for them.

Tragically in the time it has taken me to write this reply, another hundred children will have died needlessly, and without the world noticing or careing.

In the spirit of praying for justice for the poor, oppressed and marginalised.

Eric

 

[flowergarden]

But for all the other sub sects of shias that I've learned about so far, cursing is part of their belief.[/quote
So far you been speaking and reading wrong brother! With all due respect brother, nope, we DO NOT have that apart of our belief. Like I said that is haraam!

 

[flowergarden]

Salaam,

Just an add to one thing... if you are a Muslim.... do you say oh I am sunni? I am shia? You should not! Islam is Islam. It should be I am Muslim without a sector.
when people ask what sector are you, I say I am a Muslim. Period.

Like others say, NO ONE should say shia's do this sunnis do that unless you are a person in that practice of Islam. If you aren't and you just listening to what you heard and read- that that is being a hypocrite and not allowing yourself to learn the truth... If you can't look past some beliefs outside the Quran, and that is not what Allah wants.

Allah wants us as One. Not arguing about who is right. It all about following His words before anyone else! End of story!

We are all untied to opinions, but to judge people based on a couple of people, that is not very Islamic! I think this thread should be sharing Qur'an verse explain why we SHOULD unite, not explaining difference that most likely are not true! It is up to us to us to bring unity, and for now sadly it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon !

Wa Salaam!

 

[Futuwwa]

I think it is beautiful that Riana, who brandishes her sunni alignment openly in her avatar, is among those who is most accepting of our differences

 

[Abz2000]

i see all yous are still battling it out on the keyboard while nato drops bombs on all of us - i've come out of all sects and said i'm Muslim, not even a madhab, and decided to learn Islam without the interpretation of other people. yes i read the Quran, and i also read books, and the opinions of the imams - but i don't fear to disagree with any imam - unless he is appointed by the (non existent) Caliph (and i can see why he's non-existent so far) - in which case we can request him to reconsider or look into issues a little more - or say "we hear and we obey". and if we see him on kufr - we disobey.

how easy it would be if we all tried that.

 

[flowergarden]

incerely believe that any kind of military unity is built more on secular ideals than on God’s will.

Dear brother, I was just making a point. hehe.
But I just was saying if you can unite with your brothers and sisters than will be on alliances as a brother before was mentioning
.