Taliban getting whipped

[Woodrow]

i agree with you in principle. but in reality - think about it - if we all only spoke about that which we know for sure, you would be able to cut the silence with a knife!
i live in california - do i know everything that is happening in my state? i live in a small town - do i know everything that is going on here?
does anyone really?
if there were no "arm chair experts" there would be no forums at all!
so we will all continue to make noise and go blah blah blah and most of us will be under the temporary delusion that we actually know what we are talking about.
and hopefully, we will learn to listen to and respect each other more.

That is quite true. But, we all must be mindful that each post, including this one, is essentially an opinion and should not be taken as the only possibility.

The posts that may carry more credibility would be those of people actually experiencing the conditions.

 

[metalted]

for those who think the taliban was simpley misunderstood.. maybe you should check out poll findings in afganistan. over all they are extremely positive and optmistic. There is more support for the ousting of the taliban then there is support for president bush in america.. lol..


An ABC News poll in Afghanistan -- the first national survey there sponsored by a news organization -- underscores those challenges in a unique portrait of the lives of ordinary Afghans. Poverty is deep, medical care and other basic services lacking, and infrastructure minimal. Nearly six in 10 have no electricity in their homes, and just 3 percent have it around the clock. Seven in 10 Afghan adults have no more than an elementary education; half have no schooling whatsoever. Half have household incomes under $500 a year

Public Attitudes in Afghanistan
Right Direction Wrong Direction
Current Direction 77% 6%


U.S.-Led Overthrow of Taliban
Good Thing Bad Thing
Taliban Ouster 87% 9%

Yet despite these and other deprivations, 77 percent of Afghans say their country is headed in the right direction -- compared with 30 percent in the vastly better-off United States. Ninety-one percent prefer the current Afghan government to the Taliban regime, and 87 percent call the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban good for their country. Osama bin Laden, for his part, is as unpopular as the Taliban; nine in 10 view him unfavorably.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/PollVault/story?id=1363276

 

[bint_khalid]

ABC NEWS POLL!!;D ;D ;D , you actually expect me to take their poll seriously? ;Dlolzz

 

[thirdwatch512]

the Koreans disobeyed the law of the nation and thus must pay the price. They were preaching Christianity and thus were arrested. they should be persecuted and made an example of. We do not appreciate illegal wars and invasions of our lands and then sending your missionary's to exploit the poor and whose lives you have ravaged with your barbarism.

What kind of person are you?

These Christians were doing nothing. They were helping the poor. They were not evengelizing anyone.

How dare you say such barbaric things.

 

[metalted]

or you could believe.. whom?

 

[bint_khalid]

or you could believe.. whom?

salaams
to be honest with you i dont really trust the media in anything they say, especially all these polls and surveys they do.
ABC,fox news, sky news, CNN etc are all biased and ofcoursre anti taliban. so you dont expect any truth from them regarding the taliban.

 

[metalted]

salaams
to be honest with you i dont really trust the media in anything they say, especially all these polls and surveys they do.
ABC,fox news, sky news, CNN etc are all biased and ofcoursre anti taliban. so you dont expect any truth from them regarding the taliban.

so you prefer to believe whatever you wish to believe without sources or knowledge of any kind. Am I correct?

 

[KAding]

salaams
to be honest with you i dont really trust the media in anything they say, especially all these polls and surveys they do.
ABC,fox news, sky news, CNN etc are all biased and ofcoursre anti taliban. so you dont expect any truth from them regarding the taliban.

But again, from whom can you get information about the Taliban then? If you don't trust polling in Afghanistan, what do you trust? Surely, mere anecdotal cannot be trusted, since you can easily find both those who support the Taliban and those who hate them.

Maybe the national election in which over half of the people went to vote for the new president can be seen as a legitimization of the new institutions? Why would people go out and vote if they hate and don't accept the new system?

Are there any indications at all that Afghans, or even among the Pashtuns, would rather live under the rule of the Taliban than that of the current government?

 

[bint_khalid]

But again, from whom can you get information about the Taliban then? If you don't trust polling in Afghanistan, what do you trust? Surely, mere anecdotal cannot be trusted, since you can easily find both those who support the Taliban and those who hate them.

Maybe the national election in which over half of the people went to vote for the new president can be seen as a legitimization of the new institutions? Why would people go out and vote if they hate and don't accept the new system?

Are there any indications at all that Afghans, or even among the Pashtuns, would rather live under the rule of the Taliban than that of the current government?

salaams
the afghan elections just like the iraq elections were blatantly rigged, do you really think the coalition forces would allow a proper fair election? course they wouldnt because they know the general public is for the taliban and for saddam.
even many shiites who lived under saddam have openly said it was better under saddam. And these were the people who were supposedly oppressed by saddam.
Ofcourse people want the taliban back, who doesnt want to live in a virtual crime free zone, an environment where women can walk at night alone without fear, someone can leave 1000 dollars lying in the street and nobody dare touch that money.
sure they're must have been some bad apples amongst the taliban who still have backward culture in them, but the talibans intention was good and they tried to do what islam told them to do.

 

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

I Know It Is Kind Of Funny In A Way It Is Also Kind Of Sick And Wrong To Invade Two Contries.

 

[Idris]

Unbelievable: Taliban Getting Stronger

by paradox
As part of our record $495 billion defense budget the Army is taking the unusual step of going around the Secretary’s office—Rumsfeld—to submit final budgeting proposals to the OMB. Rumsfeld cannot do it himself because the Army proposal contradicts two of his most cherished goals: decreasing personnel and buying new generations of super-techno equipment.

Unsaid in the source above is that the Army is desperate to get more men and equipment replaced because every day the Army spends losing in Iraq and Afghanistan is a day it gets progressively weaker.

Should one of our NATO allies face invasion this year we, the strongest nation on earth, would not be able to help. $450 billion annually has, this very day, delivered a busted Army desperate to get its equipment back, unable to undertake any mission other than limping home and trying to get whole again.

With this comforting news arrives word that the Taliban is getting stronger in Afghanistan. Does anyone else remember winter and spring of 2002? Bush had 90% approval ratings, the media was a laser on Afghanistan, and soon there was a incessant amount of crowing in the great victory over the Taliban. Just four years ago, yet the Taliban are back. Unbelievable.

Bush and the he-man kick-ass killer Republicans, so sneeringly contemptuous of weak, know-nothing-defense Democrats, have utterly failed in every military goal given to them in six years. They’ve alienated the world against us, become war criminals, killed tens of thousands, spent an incomprehensible fortune, broken the Army and lied spectacularly about it all the whole time.

It goes without saying we are much, much less safer losing in Iraq and Afghanistan. We’re still broke and borrowing like mad. There is no one, not a Democrat or Republican, on the horizon who has any answer on how to get us out of these incredible extremely dangerous messes. Naturally, the United States chose to get itself into this path of self-destruction. Perhaps the next time some insane mental patients say we should go to war for something a country might do to us we should lock them up instead of listening seriously to them.

There is no way the US or the UK is winning or will win this so caled "war"
Congress has allocated $495 billion for Afghanistan, Iraq and terrorism-related efforts.
Afghanistan is an impoverished country, one of the world's poorest and least developed. Two-thirds of the population lives on fewer than 2 US dollars a day, but however the Taliban has been a horn in the butt of the US and the UK.

 

[Woodrow]

There is no way the US or the UK is winning or will win this so caled "war"

That is very true. No matter what the outcome is it is a loss. At the moment I see it as being a lose-lose situation with no winners.

Iraq has faced a tremendous loss in terms of lives and material. The USA and UK have also needlessly lost the same. The hardships and ill resulting will take a long time to reconcile.

Anybody who thinks they are a winner, is not capable of understanding loss in my opinion.

 

[MTAFFI]

There is no way the US or the UK is winning or will win this so caled "war"
Congress has allocated $495 billion for Afghanistan, Iraq and terrorism-related efforts.
Afghanistan is an impoverished country, one of the world's poorest and least developed. Two-thirds of the population lives on fewer than 2 US dollars a day, but however the Taliban has been a horn in the butt of the US and the UK.

first off rumsfield was still in office when this was written
second how much of that 495 goes to afghan now with NATO troops there
third they are a horn because they are funded by Iran and others, their people are poor but the Taliban are supplied
fourth by "winning" I mean they are not support by the vast majority of the people, they die in high numbers everyday, and they are heard and seen less and less. By "winning" I mean the original and current objectives have been and are being acheived everyday

As far as Iraq goes, well that is another story and another type of people

 

[Chechnya]

It took the Afghans ten years, to defeat the Soviet invaders - i predict a neat 15 years for them to kick out the current invaders.

 

[Keltoi]

It took the Afghans ten years, to defeat the Soviet invaders - i predict a neat 15 years for them to kick out the current invaders.

That might make sense if the majority of the Afghan people supported such an endeavor, but they don't.

 

[islamirama]

It took the Afghans ten years, to defeat the Soviet invaders - i predict a neat 15 years for them to kick out the current invaders.

The british empire couldn't take them, the Russian empire failed, what chance does this next failing empire has? As one of the Russians were much more ruthless and barbaric in how they tortured these people, and yet they lost. As one of the Generals said, "how can you fight man who looks into the barrel of a gun and sees paradise".

Pashtuns are proud people and they would rather die fighting then let anyone rule over them.

 

[MTAFFI]

Pashtuns are proud people and they would rather die fighting then let anyone rule over them.

does that include the Taliban? As Keltoi said, in the past the people of Afghanistan backed the Taliban, this time the majority are not

 

[islamirama]

does that include the Taliban? As Keltoi said, in the past the people of Afghanistan backed the Taliban, this time the majority are not

Check your sources again. The western powers had the North Alliance (warlords) have beat women up and showed them as "taleban" beating women, one of many propagandas they showed the dumb americans. It is the people that went to the Talebans against these warlords who were raping and killing as they pleased. And it is the US that bombed and invaded afghan and then put these same warlords in power as the new Gov't. Only people against taleban were the liberals who want to wear miniskirts and what not in public, they account of less than 1% yet the western media gives them the voice as if they are the majority. If no body liked the talebans, how are they able to hide in homes and blend in with public without anyone turning against them. You forget, taleban is not some qaeda from foreign land, they are the natives themselves. And they all will stick together despite what ever lies your gov't tell you about them.

 

[Keltoi]

Check your sources again. The western powers had the North Alliance (warlords) have beat women up and showed them as "taleban" beating women, one of many propagandas they showed the dumb americans. It is the people that went to the Talebans against these warlords who were raping and killing as they pleased. And it is the US that bombed and invaded afghan and then put these same warlords in power as the new Gov't. Only people against taleban were the liberals who want to wear miniskirts and what not in public, they account of less than 1% yet the western media gives them the voice as if they are the majority. If no body liked the talebans, how are they able to hide in homes and blend in with public without anyone turning against them. You forget, taleban is not some qaeda from foreign land, they are the natives themselves. And they all will stick together despite what ever lies your gov't tell you about them.

There didn't have to be propoganda on beating women by the Taliban. The video most Americans saw showed members of the Taliban's religious police beating up a Tajik woman with a stick. Not to mention the infamous video of a woman being shot in the back of the head at a soccer stadium.

As for Taliban support or lack thereof, like most things it depends on what particular people you are talking about. Those Afghans who resent the opium eradication policies probably do support the Taliban, who only taxed them 20% and called it zakat. It is fairly obvious that no popular insurgency exists in Afghanistan. The majority of the insurgency now calls Pakistan home.

 

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

Yes I Always Watch Al Jazeera English They Arnt Anti Taliban And Say The Truth About What Is Going On In Afghanistan.