Talmud - Jewish secret "holy" book

[malayloveislam]

There were ancient Arab tribes too who were blessed with prophets and His Mercy like 'Aad and Thamoud, but they disobeyed G-d. Jews are among those ingrate bedoiune. We should take heed from what had happened and not to take their disobedience as example, but G-d never told us to hate any human-being nor His other creations.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Non-Jews, in particular Muslims and Christians, should be aware of how Jesus (peace be upon him) and his blessed mother Maryam are depicted in the Jewish "holy" book Talmud. Mysteriously, Talmud is the least discussed/exposed religious book in the public domain and on the Jewish controlled media. Exposure of Talmud to a non-Jew is punishable to death according to the Rabbinical edict. On the other hand, the Jewish-controlled media mocks Islam and Christianity 24/7 and get away with impunity.

The Talmud is not that hard to get ahold of my friend. Have you actually read it? It is extremely boring and reads like a legal text. I own some of its volumes but not all of them and I'm not a Jew, so I guess I could be sentenced to death huh? There is the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud. They read like law books, I should know, I went to law school.

I've never come across any of the nonsense you quoted. I think you got your information from a bad source. It reminds me of some of the stuff put out by some of the anti-Qur'an sites out there. Be careful. It appears that you are defaming the Jews in the same way that Islam is defamed.

:wa:

 

[Rabi Mansur]

but G-d never told us to hate any human-being nor His other creations.

:amin:




:wa:

 

[Muslim Woman]

..G-d never told us to hate any human-being nor His other creations.

Why do u write God as G-d ?


Anyone has link of the whole Talmud including Sanhedrin chapter ?

 

[titus]

I haven't spread any lies about them, nor did I actually say 'I hate Jews'..

You never came out and said it, but you have no problem defending people that start threads like this. The original post of this thread is filled with lies and you attack me instead of the people posting the lies. I find that very telling.

As for the 'Muslim terrorist' thing, if that is your trump card, pls. feel free to use it at will, it doesn't affect me in any shape or form, so I don't see how I can have any double standard about it!

Then you obviously misunderstood the point I was making.

If you can defend lies being spread about Judaism because you disagree with the actions of some of its followers, then it is only logical that you should defend lies being spread about Islam for the same reason.

If lies being spread about Islam, and posts about Islam being a religion of hate and violence don't bother you then you are most certainly correct when saying that it won't affect you.

If, on the other hand, such accusations do affect you then you should not have a double standard and defend those that spread such lies about Judaism.

 

[جوري]

You never came out and said it, but you have no problem defending people that start threads like this. The original post of this thread is filled with lies and you attack me instead of the people posting the lies. I find that very telling.

1-Indeed, I haven't come out and said anything to the smarmy avail that you desire to bank on. Leaving you very little margin to work with I imagine must be frustrating for you to strain so hard and still make a point out of nothing.
2- The original thread isn't filled with lies.. you are yet to establish that said quotes aren't directly from the talmud.
3- I haven't attacked you, I couldn't be less invested emotionally in anything you write.. I get a thrill though seeing flustered for something of substance to impart and always coming up empty

Then you obviously misunderstood the point I was making.

I don't think you have much of a point!

If you can defend lies being spread about Judaism because you disagree with the actions of some of its followers, then it is only logical that you should defend lies being spread about Islam for the same reason.

There is no logic in that whatsoever.. Again, you are first to establish that, these quotes aren't direct from the talmud, and secondly--you are doing a good job from the opposite end, that one can't possibly beat you in folly.

If lies being spread about Islam, and posts about Islam being a religion of hate and violence don't bother you then you are most certainly correct when saying that it won't affect you.

Hey no publicity is bad publicity.. as evinced by the number of converts yearly.. surely for every ten idiots on the net, ten reflective people pick up a book and find out the truth of the matter for themselves!

If, on the other hand, such accusations do affect you then you should not have a double standard and defend those that spread such lies about Judaism.

see last comment..


all the best

 

[titus]

I don't hate jews. I don't even know any jews..

One does not need to know something to hate it. In fact it is usually just the opposite, the less one knows more about something the easier it is to hate it.

This is why Hitler decided to eliminate the Jews from Germany and the rest of the world. That is why the holocaust occurred, where the Nazi Germans literally baked the Jews in ovens, and killed in other ways such as poising them to death. It is the Jews' mischief in Germany and Europe that caused for their mass murder. It is the Jews' mischief that caused for the Nazi Germans to "disfigure their faces" as Allah Almighty promised the Jews to be punished for any mischief they cause on earth.

Do you realize how revolting this statement is?

The Jews caused the Holocaust? You are making excuses for Hitler?

Look at your post. You spend one sentence and one quote telling how Muslims honor Jews, then spend the rest of your long post explaining how all Jews deserve whatever they get.

Why is it that someone can start a thread filled with lies about a Jewish holy book, yet not one Muslim has come on here to help refute lies. In fact they make more posts explaining why Jews deserve punishment.

 

[titus]

The original thread isn't filled with lies.. you are yet to establish that said quotes aren't directly from the talmud.

I posted a link to the Talmud. If you read the Talmud you will see that it a record of discussions between Rabbis, and often has Rabbis disagreeing with each other. Such a text makes it easy to take things out of context.

If you want someone to explain it to you then here are some links:


O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

I haven't attacked you, I couldn't be less invested emotionally in anything you write.. I get a thrill though seeing flustered for something of substance to impart and always coming up empty

Sure, we all believe you. Keep defending and excusing the Jew haters while telling me I have nothing of substance to impart.

I don't think you have much of a point!

Witty retort, but then you obviously didn't understand the point in the first place.

Hey no publicity is bad publicity.. as evinced by the number of converts yearly.. surely for every ten idiots on the net, ten reflective people pick up a book and find out the truth of the matter for themselves!

So you are trying to convince people that you think websites that lie about Islam are a good thing?

It is also amusing that expect "reflective" people to look up the truth and "idiots" not to, yet you won't take the time to look into the accusations against Judaism. You may actually have a point there.

 

[جوري]

I posted a link to the Talmud. If you read the Talmud you will see that it a record of discussions between Rabbis, and often has Rabbis disagreeing with each other. Such a text makes it easy to take things out of context.

If you want someone to explain it to you then here are some links:


O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

The link addresses nothing, it is left open for one to decipher as they may.. do you have something to rebut these statements:

Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a *****: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"



just to name a few.


When we had Jewish members here, they actually accused Muslims of being brain washed by Christians to buy into the 'virgin birth' -- so frankly if they have no cause to defend those beliefs, who are you to defend it?

Sure, we all believe you. Keep defending and excusing the Jew haters while telling me I have nothing of substance to impart.

Again, you have to establish that stating facts = to Jewish hate, before you flail like a lunatic!

Witty retort, but then you obviously didn't understand the point in the first place.

Again, it is because you have nothing of substance to impart!

So you are trying to convince people that you think websites that lie about Islam are a good thing?

No, I genuinely don't care.. today as I was driving by the U.N I saw lunatics not unlike yourself equating islam with terror, and asking the U.N to intervene on their behalf, allegedly that their Christian youths are being 'slaughtered' in Egypt, funnily enough the entire coptic population seemed to fill three blocks, and given their percentage in Egypt, I'd say all of them are given the opportunity to travel abroad while Muslims are being denied such opportunities. I didn't open my window and try to correct their views, they are entitled to spread falsehood. It won't change Islam, and it does me no good to cast pearl before swine.. I am not moved by the loud braying of donkeys!

It is also amusing that expect "reflective" people to look up the truth and "idiots" not to, yet you won't take the time to look into the accusations against Judaism. You may actually have a point there.

Well indeed, by definition idiots are idiotic, while reflective folks reflect!
just because you have dispensed the label of hatred doesn't make one hateful or loan anything you write credence!

get a picket sign and take a corner!

all the best

 

[Predator]

Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a *****: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

The Holy Quran elevated Mary in particular to a position no other woman has ever reached in history.

While the aforementioned women are significant models of morality, Mary has a special and esteemed placed in the Qur'an and in Islam, where a sura (or verse of the Qur'an) is named after her and Allah chooses her above all women.

"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations."

She said: 'How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?' He said: 'So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed.' "
(Qur'an 19:20-21)

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Chapter 3:45
The angel said: "O Mary ! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah , Jesus , the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and he will be one of those who are near to Allah.'') He will speak to the people, in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.''

Any Christian with common sense would read and appreciate what is written in the Quran about Mary and Jesus and detest the devilish filth in Thalmud

 

[titus]

The link addresses nothing, it is left open for one to decipher as they may.. do you have something to rebut these statements:

Left open to decipher? I find it intriguing that if anyone says anything bad about Jews it is not up to that person to prove it, the burden of proof then lies on the person trying to refute it. That alone shows your feelings about Jews, and your double standard.

As for refuting what it says about Jesus and Mary, I have not researched that because I do not care. Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, therefore I have no problem with them believing he was a sorcerer or that the "virgin" Mary was a liar.

To argue that Jews are taught to look upon non-Jews as subhuman or to argue that their religion tells them it is perfectly fine to cheat others is a lie, though. It is an attempt to demonize them, which is why you mainly find these accusations on White Power and Muslim sites since both groups want to legitimize their hatred and convince others to hate also.

get a picket sign and take a corner!

What would I picket? I have nothing against Islam, unlike the people you mention. The only one here that is arguing against an entire religion here is you.

When can we expect to see you with a picket explaining how Jews think all non-Jews are subhuman and that Judaism teaches that it is fine for them to steal from other people?

 

[جوري]

Left open to decipher? I find it intriguing that if anyone says anything bad about Jews it is not up to that person to prove it, the burden of proof then lies on the person trying to refute it. That alone shows your feelings about Jews, and your double standard.

?
you said we 'demonized Jews'
I contend (I in fact haven't) however when passages of bigotry are cited you ask us to look the other way? I mean if they don't exist then rebut them, don't reference us to some website because you can't do some homework!

As for refuting what it says about Jesus and Mary, I have not researched that because I do not care. Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, therefore I have no problem with them believing he was a sorcerer or that the "virgin" Mary was a liar.

Indeed, they believe he was the son of a w hore etc. etc.
so I must ask you, in which ways are we being bigoted or hateful in citing their beliefs-- do you have it the other way around perhaps?

To argue that Jews are taught to look upon non-Jews as subhuman or to argue that their religion tells them it is perfectly fine to cheat others is a lie, though. It is an attempt to demonize them, which is why you mainly find these accusations on White Power and Muslim sites since both groups want to legitimize their hatred and convince others to hate also.

I have actually done no such thing, and I don't need to, in fact I believe those of them that are hateful and bigoted living on stolen lands have done a mighty fine job to foster that hatred for themselves by themselves without citations from holy or non-holy books or the need for the yearly holocaust movie.. surely for folks who have suffered a five year plight, they enjoy inflicting it on others for 60+ yrs.. and then you come cataloging and surveying with your smarmy self-importance.. take a hike mac!

What would I picket? I have nothing against Islam, unlike the people you mention. The only one here that is arguing against an entire religion here is you.

Whatever your grievances go picket them to anyone who will listen, I am not big on drivel.

When can we expect to see you with a picket explaining how Jews think all non-Jews are subhuman and that Judaism teaches that it is fine for them to steal from other people?

I don't picket, I suggested it for you as it seems right up your ally!

all the best

 

[titus]

you said we 'demonized Jews'
I contend (I in fact haven't) however when passages of bigotry are cited you ask us to look the other way?

When the passages being quoted are as bigoted as any found in the Quran?

You are defending people who claim that Judaism teaches that non-Jews are basically animals and that is allowable for Jews to cheat anyone who is not a Jew. How can you claim that is not demonizing them?

so I must ask you, in which ways are we being bigoted or hateful in citing their beliefs-- do you have it the other way around perhaps?

Read my post again. I am referring the passages that are not about Jesus. You keep bringing up passages that I have already stated I am not concerned with.

I have actually done no such thing, and I don't need to, in fact I believe those of them that are hateful and bigoted living on stolen lands have done a mighty fine job to foster that hatred for themselves by themselves without citations from holy or non-holy books or the need for the yearly holocaust movie..

You seem to be confusing Israelis with the Talmud. You are bringing up something totally irrelevant when you bring up Israel.

If you want people to hate Jews because of what they are doing in Israel then be honest and say so. Don't foster your hatred by defending falsehoods about the Talmud. Don't be intellectually dishonest by defending people who claim that such things are a secret part of their evil religion.

 

[جوري]

When the passages being quoted are as bigoted as any found in the Quran?

No, the Quran doesn't refer to holy people as W hores.. but this begs the questions and the purpose of the thread!

You are defending people who claim that Judaism teaches that non-Jews are basically animals and that is allowable for Jews to cheat anyone who is not a Jew. How can you claim that is not demonizing them?

Everyone has a right to their opinion even if another doesn't agree with it. Furthermore I haven't 'defended' anyone, I have joined with my own commentary!

Read my post again. I am referring the passages that are not about Jesus. You keep bringing up passages that I have already stated I am not concerned with.

But I was speaking specifically of those passages, and they are not the only one of their kind.. I reference those because they are of particular significance religiously!

You seem to be confusing Israelis with the Talmud. You are bringing up something totally irrelevant when you bring up Israel.

as irrelevant as bringing up the Quran to the talmud?.. it is after what governs the practices of some people!

If you want people to hate Jews because of what they are doing in Israel then be honest and say so. Don't foster your hatred by defending falsehoods about the Talmud. Don't be intellectually dishonest by defending people who claim that such things are a secret part of their evil religion.

I haven't fostered falsehood, you are yet to prove it false.. and my feelings are my own, I don't need to defend them, I am not under the impression that anyone should be made to like something they find frankly distasteful.

all the best

 

[titus]

No, the Quran doesn't refer to holy people as W hores.. but this begs the questions and the purpose of the thread!

The purpose of this thread is obvious, to make people want to hate Jews and using the pretext of saying the Talmud tells Jews that non-Jews are subhuman, can be cheated and not payed, etc.

It has the same purpose as the ones started by people stating that the Quran is evil because it says things like "Muslims are taught by Islam to fight all non-Muslims" because the Quran says "9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”.

Is it true that Islam teaches that Muslims should kill all the non-Muslims? No.

Yet you have no problem when people do the same towards Judaism.

Do you truly care about the truth, or is your agenda getting in the way?

as irrelevant as bringing up the Quran to the talmud?.. it is after what governs the practices of some people!

As relevant as showing how people attack them with lies in extremely similar ways.

I am not under the impression that anyone should be made to like something they find frankly distasteful.

What are you referring to that you find distasteful?

 

[جوري]

The purpose of this thread is obvious, to make people want to hate Jews and using the pretext of saying the Talmud tells Jews that non-Jews are subhuman, can be cheated and not payed, etc.

It has the same purpose as the ones started by people stating that the Quran is evil because it says things like "Muslims are taught by Islam to fight all non-Muslims" because the Quran says "9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”.

Rather the purpose of the thread is to highlight contents in the talmud that others should be made aware of.. I for once don't understand for instance why the U.S funnels billions of dollars to fund a state that thinks the christian god is a son of a w hore.. can you?
Indeed said verse is in the Quran: [FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1][Pickthal 9:123] O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

the question is why do you want us to deny contents that is found in their book because you think it 'bigoted'?

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Is it true that Islam teaches that Muslims should kill all the non-Muslims? No.

Depends.. warfare is part of every constitution for specific reasons!

Yet you have no problem when people do the same towards Judaism.

You keep thinking that I should have a problem when I clearly don't

Do you truly care about the truth, or is your agenda getting in the way?

Indeed I care for the truth, so why do you muffle it?

As relevant as showing how people attack them with lies in extremely similar ways.

Again, yet to prove that they are lies!

What are you referring to that you find distasteful?

passages that refer to holy people as W hores amongst others!


all the best

 

[titus]

passages that refer to holy people as W hores amongst others!

It is not any more distasteful than calling the followers of a religion apes and pigs.

the question is why do you want us to deny contents that is found in their book because you think it 'bigoted'?

You keep mentioning the passages that I have no problem with while ignoring the passages that I do.

You want to maintain that Jews are taught that non-Jews are not human and that they are allowed to cheat non-Jews, among other things. That simply is not true.

You keep bringing up Israel without seeing how completely irrelevant it is. Saying that the actions of Israel supports these lies is the intellectual equal of saying that Muslim suicide bombers in crowded markets proves that Islam teaches it is perfectly fine to kill innocent bystanders.

If you want more links refuting these passages then please check these out:

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Link

Link

Indeed I care for the truth, so why do you muffle it?

Which truth am I trying to muffle? That Jews are evil and their religion teaches them to be that way?

If you truly cared for the truth you would admit that the accusations in that article about the Talmud are a lie.

 

[جوري]

It is not any more distasteful than calling the followers of a religion apes and pigs.

It depends on your taste buds..

You want to maintain that Jews are taught that non-Jews are not human and that they are allowed to cheat non-Jews, among other things. That simply is not true.

Who knows right?

pictures do speak a thousand word..

You keep bringing up Israel without seeing how completely irrelevant it is. Saying that the actions of Israel supports these lies is the intellectual equal of saying that Muslim suicide bombers in crowded markets proves that Islam teaches it is perfectly fine to kill innocent bystanders.

It has great relevance since Israelis for the most part are jews.

If you want more links refuting these passages then please check these out:

Link

Link

Link

It doesn't refute them.. it does no more than state and I quote directly from your link:

there is no reason to assume that this refers to Jesus..

well then who is it referring to? considering the Jews on board didn't deny this, you are telling me that wiki outweighs the knowledge of actual Jews on board?

Which truth am I trying to muffle? That Jews are evil and their religion teaches them to be that way?

you need to work on some intermediate terms, you sound like a hysterical woman.

If you truly cared for the truth you would admit that the accusations in that article about the Talmud are a lie.

How can I? should I disbelieve what my eyes see?


all the best

 

[titus]

pictures do speak a thousand word..

Yes, they do. Are you arguing that such pictures paint an entire religion? If that picture is supposed to represent what Jews are taught, then what does this picture say about Islam:

Do these signs represent Islam as much as the sign you posted represents Judaism?

well then who is it referring to? considering the Jews on board didn't deny this, you are telling me that wiki outweighs the knowledge of actual Jews on board?

Remember when I said I don't care about the passages about Jesus? I am referring to the passages that refer to non-Jews not being human and those that say Jews are allowed to cheat non-Jews. You keep ignoring the ones that I am referring to, which is a very poor way of avoiding admitting that the original post lied about the Talmud.

you need to work on some intermediate terms, you sound like a hysterical woman.

Name calling again? I am simply trying to get you to answer a direct question. You keep dancing around the issue instead of confronting it head on.

How can I? should I disbelieve what my eyes see?

If you can read then the passages are there for you to read. If you read the Talmud does it say that non-Jews are not human? Does it say that Jews are allowed to cheat non-Jews? Show us the context, Gossamer, then tell us what your eyes see.

 

[جوري]

Yes, they do. Are you arguing that such pictures paint an entire religion? If that picture is supposed to represent what Jews are taught, then what does this picture say about Islam:

who knows? perhaps you can run a formal survey and come back when you have substantial results?

Do these signs represent Islam as much as the sign you posted represents Judaism?

see previous reply!

Remember when I said I don't care about the passages about Jesus? I am referring to the passages that refer to non-Jews not being human and those that say Jews are allowed to cheat non-Jews. You keep ignoring the ones that I am referring to, which is a very poor way of avoiding admitting that the original post lied about the Talmud.

That is because whatever you are referring to is no point of interest to me, the point of interest is the one I personally presented. Perhaps you can direct your other queries/commentaries to the party directly involved with said quotes?

Name calling again? I am simply trying to get you to answer a direct question. You keep dancing around the issue instead of confronting it head on.

Name calling? has hysteria too been banned from the politically correct dictionary? hilarious.
let me get out my kid glove to handle you with.

If you can read then the passages are there for you to read. If you read the Talmud does it say that non-Jews are not human? Does it say that Jews are allowed to cheat non-Jews? Show us the context, Gossamer, then tell us what your eyes see.

see my comment two paragraphs ago. And generally try to focus on a point, so that you don't come across as hysterical but also a disjointed pedant!

all the best