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Thanks for the reply.
I hope this happens but i cant see it happening
It may be too late now
The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
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Thanks for the reply.
I hope this happens but i cant see it happening
It may be too late now
I only see Hamas gaining more members out of this to be honest, of course that is if everyone in Gaza isn't murdered... Especially now that a lot of people are losing their families, houses, and pretty much everything else..
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I think Israel has just painted itself into a corner. It needs to show the world that Gaza is a serious threat to Israel. Without showing that, world opinion is going to be changed because of those baby pictures. A masive defeat of Gaza would show that Gaza, never had the ability to pose a danger to most of Israel.
Gaza will never surrender. soon the Palestinians are going to be seen as the small rag-tail, ill equipped army that could not be pushed to surrender by one of the most modern militias on earth. israel might have modern equipment, but the Palestinians have courage and a strong belief in what they are fighting for.
I strongly believe that Israel has signed it's own doom. Not that it will be destroyed by military might but because the world will see the Zionists as they really are and the world will have to admit that 1947 was a mistake and it is time to dismantle and stop supporting a failed experiment.
I believe most Americans are going to stop seeing the Palestinians as rogues, and will see the similarity between ourselves in 1776 and the Palestinians of today. In 1776 we were a small poorly equipped group of rebels that took on Great Britain, the mightiest military force ever seen at that time.
and we beat them with little equipment and having little more than a desire to get out from under British Rule.
Gaza will never surrender. soon the Palestinians are going to be seen as the small rag-tail, ill equipped army that could not be pushed to surrender by one of the most modern militias on earth. israel might have modern equipment, but the Palestinians have courage and a strong belief in what they are fighting for.
I strongly believe that Israel has signed it's own doom. Not that it will be destroyed by military might but because the world will see the Zionists as they really are and the world will have to admit that 1947 was a mistake and it is time to dismantle and stop supporting a failed experiment.
I believe most Americans are going to stop seeing the Palestinians as rogues, and will see the similarity between ourselves in 1776 and the Palestinians of today. In 1776 we were a small poorly equipped group of rebels that took on Great Britain, the mightiest military force ever seen at that time.
and we beat them with little equipment and having little more than a desire to get out from under British Rule.
I don't see it amongst the politicians. If an accecpted American politician (just 1) then by the indexing theory of media studies this could start to open up the debate.
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The door is opening for Obama to speak, let us see what he has to say over the next few days. Remember, not long back he pledged continued support for Israel. Seems he is trying to come up with a diplomatic way to announce he is altering some of his original thoughts..
Just some words of a possibility taken from this story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_mideast_gaza_stakes_analysis;_ylt=Ah2faJm3pFz9QkALItfY8ZgLewgF
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I see it as early steps in him breaking the ice to say he sees the Palestinians as victims and not as aggressors. That in turn will break down the barrier that keeps any politician from saying they see Israel as being the aggressor and we need to stop supporting Israel.
Perhaps I am reading too much into a few words, but the few words Obama has said give hope his stand about Palestine is swinging in the direction of sympathy for Palestine.
As I already said, let us wait and see what he says over the next few days.
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well arab leaders wont do anythin and its not a surprise ...i always ask my self why the arab presidents r sooo scared of america i mean if they unite they will have a huge shot.. weird and i know its only the governments who r messed up but i think the people would go to ghad if they open the boarders . and as for egypt we all know they wont open the boaders i mean they dont wanna war plus i mean Y should they help when the others r sitting and doing nothin. and as for iran i heard on CNN couple of days ago that there was some kinda paper that was issued and pretty much like they collected like 1000 or somethin suicide bombers and they r trying to send them to Palestine but they dont know how to get them in ?! any info about that ! i guess they will take over Palestine .. didnt the prophet mohammed PBUH said that.. and we will regain it !
oh yea did yall see one of the members of hamas who fled to America and converted to Christianity .. he was the son of the hamas leader?
oh yea did yall see one of the members of hamas who fled to America and converted to Christianity .. he was the son of the hamas leader?
how do you know?
Sure, I was just trying to say God willing you will be right. Sorry if I got the arabic messed up.
I know that the Prophet said something similar to that Ar Rum and the Ummah would fight as one of the Romans would join the Muslim Ranks and that the Ar Rum (Western World) would try and convince the Ummah to let the fight only those that left them...and that Constantinople would be conquered by nothing except the Takbeer. InshaAllah Turkey, our former Capital, our former leader of the Ummah, our former valiant Ameers who gave victory to this deen will return from them...Allah Make Turkey favoured to you again and give the Ummah victory by them. Turkey is the only nation capable of uniting the Ummah again and fighting Israeli Conventionally
Because he came on TV and dismissed them...
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You were very close with the Arabic it is: Inshallah
At least we both now have some idea as to what we are saying. Thank you for the thoughts and it is my hope it will be the will of God(swt) that the American politicians are changing their views.
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whoa.... do you mean ... to assist the Gazans? I thought Erdogan is pro-Israeli... (a Kemalist told me that)
If Turkey managed to send the troops there abd help the Gazans, I'll raise Turkish flag at my house....
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. I'm talking about this, "oh yea did yall see one of the members of hamas who fled to America and converted to Christianity .. he was the son of the hamas leader?"
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it came on fox news but people say its not trusted .. so i dont now...
yeah, I saw it too. I could not find any source for it beyong right wing news outlets, but I never found anything refuting it. It seemed fishy but I could not reject it out of hand.
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'We Could Send Turkish Troops to Gaza to Contribute to Peace'
After yesterday's Cabinet meeting, government spokesperson and Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek told a press conference that the Cabinet members will brief Parliament on Israel's attacks in Gaza today.
Asked what Turkey's stance would be on the possibility of sending Turkish soldiers to Gaza, Cicek said, "If doing so would contribute to peace, we wouldn't refuse."
Stating that Turkey is following all developments on the issue, Cicek called Israel's ground offensive "unacceptable," adding that the government has also contacted Hamas as part of its diplomatic efforts.
Wednesday, 7 January 2009
Aksam, Istanbul based Turkish daily
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/6...roops-to-gaza-to-contribute-to-peace-39-.html
After yesterday's Cabinet meeting, government spokesperson and Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek told a press conference that the Cabinet members will brief Parliament on Israel's attacks in Gaza today.
Asked what Turkey's stance would be on the possibility of sending Turkish soldiers to Gaza, Cicek said, "If doing so would contribute to peace, we wouldn't refuse."
Stating that Turkey is following all developments on the issue, Cicek called Israel's ground offensive "unacceptable," adding that the government has also contacted Hamas as part of its diplomatic efforts.
Wednesday, 7 January 2009
Aksam, Istanbul based Turkish daily
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/6...roops-to-gaza-to-contribute-to-peace-39-.html
that sounds like a peacekeeping force. Like part of a larger multinational force