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I posted this in another thread, but it sums up my attitude towards Areab leaders:
The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
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Criticizing the leaders
It is interesting how easily we all are ready to criticize the Muslim rulers, yet were we to seriously examine ourselves and count our mistakes, negligence, and laziness with respect to our religion, we would find many. So we could not then seriously examine what we might do with tremendous power and wealth and how the Shaytaan would tempt us with that more. But we are hasty a people in criticizing the rulers of Muslims lands--lands that are known for establishing Tawheed: which is exactly what our beloved messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) came to establish, which is what Allah ta'alaa loves more than anything else, and which is the primary purpose of our existence.
It is interesting how easily we all are ready to criticize the Muslim rulers, yet were we to seriously examine ourselves and count our mistakes, negligence, and laziness with respect to our religion, we would find many. So we could not then seriously examine what we might do with tremendous power and wealth and how the Shaytaan would tempt us with that more. But we are hasty a people in criticizing the rulers of Muslims lands--lands that are known for establishing Tawheed: which is exactly what our beloved messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) came to establish, which is what Allah ta'alaa loves more than anything else, and which is the primary purpose of our existence.
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What I mentioned in my last post is not entitled "The mistakes of the Rulers are Good". But it is about the Islamic methodology and attitude towards the Muslim rulers who are known for aiding in the establishment of tawheed in their land and spreading it whilst having mistakes, as no one is free from mistakes.
Tameem ad-Daaree (radiyallaahu ’anhu) said:
“The Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, (three times), “The Religion is naseehah (sincerity and sincere advice).” We said, “To whom?” He said, “To Allaah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and the general people.” [1]
Imaam an-Nawawee (d.676H) – rahimahullaah – commented on all of it, and the comment specifically on "to the leaders of the Muslims" is: Sincerity to the Leaders is to help them upon the truth. To obey them in it. To order them with it. To remind and advise them with kindness and gentleness. To remind them of that which they are heedless and neglectful of. To help them fulfill those rights of the Muslims that have not reached them yet. Not to rebel against them. To enamour the hearts of the people with obedience to them.
And the the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “Whosoever desires to advise the ruler, then let him not do so publicly. So do not do so publicly, but take him by his hand and take him into privacy. So if he accepts his advice, then he has achieved his objective. And if he refuses, then he has offered that which was upon him.”
Hasan: Related by Ahmad (3/403) and Ibn Abee ’Aasim in Kitaabus-Sunnah (2/251). It was declared hasan by al-Albaanee in Dhilaalul-Jannah fee Takhreejis-Sunnah (no. 1096).
But we have become a roudy people. Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzaan said, "Islaam is a religion of sanctity, and religion of tranquility, a religion based upon knowledge, it is not a religion of confusion and noise. It is a religion that aims to bring about tranquility and sanctity, alongside the working of beneficial and praisworthy deeds, such as aiding the Muslims and supplicating for them, and providing them with wealth and..." But we are roudy and we do sit-ins and demonstrations, expecting benefit from these when there is no shari'-legislated benefit and thereafter expecting that Allah will give us whatever we think we desire because of some greatness we have achieved. We are impatient. Even the Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) became angry at one of his companions, when torture and killings of Muslims was known in Makkah, when the companion asked him When will Allah's help come? He admonished the companion and related to him the stories of the Muslims of Bani Isra'eel who did not turn their back on Allah even when thrown into a ditch and then cut in half.
What I mentioned in my last post is not entitled "The mistakes of the Rulers are Good". But it is about the Islamic methodology and attitude towards the Muslim rulers who are known for aiding in the establishment of tawheed in their land and spreading it whilst having mistakes, as no one is free from mistakes.
Tameem ad-Daaree (radiyallaahu ’anhu) said:
“The Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, (three times), “The Religion is naseehah (sincerity and sincere advice).” We said, “To whom?” He said, “To Allaah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and the general people.” [1]
Imaam an-Nawawee (d.676H) – rahimahullaah – commented on all of it, and the comment specifically on "to the leaders of the Muslims" is: Sincerity to the Leaders is to help them upon the truth. To obey them in it. To order them with it. To remind and advise them with kindness and gentleness. To remind them of that which they are heedless and neglectful of. To help them fulfill those rights of the Muslims that have not reached them yet. Not to rebel against them. To enamour the hearts of the people with obedience to them.
And the the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “Whosoever desires to advise the ruler, then let him not do so publicly. So do not do so publicly, but take him by his hand and take him into privacy. So if he accepts his advice, then he has achieved his objective. And if he refuses, then he has offered that which was upon him.”
Hasan: Related by Ahmad (3/403) and Ibn Abee ’Aasim in Kitaabus-Sunnah (2/251). It was declared hasan by al-Albaanee in Dhilaalul-Jannah fee Takhreejis-Sunnah (no. 1096).
But we have become a roudy people. Shaykh Saleh Al-Fawzaan said, "Islaam is a religion of sanctity, and religion of tranquility, a religion based upon knowledge, it is not a religion of confusion and noise. It is a religion that aims to bring about tranquility and sanctity, alongside the working of beneficial and praisworthy deeds, such as aiding the Muslims and supplicating for them, and providing them with wealth and..." But we are roudy and we do sit-ins and demonstrations, expecting benefit from these when there is no shari'-legislated benefit and thereafter expecting that Allah will give us whatever we think we desire because of some greatness we have achieved. We are impatient. Even the Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) became angry at one of his companions, when torture and killings of Muslims was known in Makkah, when the companion asked him When will Allah's help come? He admonished the companion and related to him the stories of the Muslims of Bani Isra'eel who did not turn their back on Allah even when thrown into a ditch and then cut in half.
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The Great Advice of Ibn Al-Qayyim- The Corruption of the People
I though I might follow-up my last post and end with
The great advice of the noble and famous scholar Ibn Al-Qayyim (rahimahullah) on The Reasons for the Oppression of the rulers- The Corruption of the People
(I posted my own comments at the end). He posts the following in the 8th Century Hijrah, so imagine our situation being even further in time from the conmpanions:
"And reflect in His, the Most High’s wisdom in making the kings of the servants, their leaders and their rulers to be of the same type as their actions (i.e. those of the servant’s). Rather, it is as if their actions (those of the servants) became manifest in the appearances of their rulers and kings. If they remain upright, then their kings will remain upright, and if they turn away (from uprightness), then they (the kings) too will turn away from uprightness. And if they (the servants) oppress [themselves and others], then their kings and rulers will oppress [them], and if their appears plotting and deception from them, their rulers will [be made to] behave likewise, and if they (the servants) prevent the rights of Allaah that are with them, and become stingy with respect to them (i.e. withhold the rights of each other), then their kings and their rulers will withhold the right that they (the servants) have from them, and will become stingy with respect to them. And if they take from the one who is considered weak, what they do not deserve to take from him in their dealings (i.e. misappropriate from him), then the kings will take from them (the servants) what they do not deserve to take (from them) and will inflict them with taxes and [other forms of] service. And everything that they (the servants) take away from the weak person, the kings will take away from them with power, force. So their actions (those of the servants) become manifest in their actions (those of the kings and rulers).
And it is not from the Divine wisdom that the evil-doers and the sinners are
made to be ruled over [by anyone] except by one who is of their like.
And when the very first band (of Islaam) was the best of the generations, and the most pious of them, then their rulers were likewise. And when they became tarnished (i.e. corrupted), the Rulers were made corrupted over them. Thus, the wisdom of Allaah refuses that the likes of Mu’aawiyah, and ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil- ‘Azeez are put in authority over us in the likes of these times [the 8th Century Hijra], let alone the likes of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Rather, our rulers are in accordance with our (nature) and the rulers of those before us were in accordance with their (nature). And both of the two matters necessitate wisdom and what it requires.
And the one who has deep rooted intelligence, when he moves his though around in this subject will see the Divine wisdom that runs through al-Qadaa wal-Qadr (Ordainment and Pre-Decree), externally and internally, just as it runs through al-Khalq qal-Amr (the Creation and the Command). So beware from thinking with your corrupt though that anything of His ordainments and decrees are devoid of the far-reaching wisdom. Rather, all of His, the most High's ordainments and decrees take place form the most perfect angles of correctness and wisdom. However, the weak intellects are veiled, by way of their weakness, from perceiving these [aspects of widsom], just like eyes suffering day-blindness are veiled, by way of their weakness from the light of the sun..." End quote from Ibn al-Qayyim
Source: Miftaah Daar is-Sa’aadah (2/177) [Daar Ibn ‘Affaan]
So we spend our time critizing others and expend little of it in seriously studying our deen in order to fix our important (religious) affairs. We try force off Allah's Qadr. But the scholars mention the ayah of Allah in the Qur'an where Allahs says to mankind he will not fix the situation of a people until they fix what is in themselves. And the scholars of Islam mention that the problem is not our being "inferior" (in number, technology or weapons) as Allah gave victory to his Messenger even though they were less in number, technology, weapons, and so on because they held Islam which is truly superior. The problem is correcting our affairs in religion, in our creed, and our methodology. In fact, this is what Muhammad (sallallu' alayhi wa salam) started with in Makkah. Not with demonstration, sit-ins, and noise. But with Tawheed and with Hikmah.
I though I might follow-up my last post and end with
The great advice of the noble and famous scholar Ibn Al-Qayyim (rahimahullah) on The Reasons for the Oppression of the rulers- The Corruption of the People
(I posted my own comments at the end). He posts the following in the 8th Century Hijrah, so imagine our situation being even further in time from the conmpanions:
"And reflect in His, the Most High’s wisdom in making the kings of the servants, their leaders and their rulers to be of the same type as their actions (i.e. those of the servant’s). Rather, it is as if their actions (those of the servants) became manifest in the appearances of their rulers and kings. If they remain upright, then their kings will remain upright, and if they turn away (from uprightness), then they (the kings) too will turn away from uprightness. And if they (the servants) oppress [themselves and others], then their kings and rulers will oppress [them], and if their appears plotting and deception from them, their rulers will [be made to] behave likewise, and if they (the servants) prevent the rights of Allaah that are with them, and become stingy with respect to them (i.e. withhold the rights of each other), then their kings and their rulers will withhold the right that they (the servants) have from them, and will become stingy with respect to them. And if they take from the one who is considered weak, what they do not deserve to take from him in their dealings (i.e. misappropriate from him), then the kings will take from them (the servants) what they do not deserve to take (from them) and will inflict them with taxes and [other forms of] service. And everything that they (the servants) take away from the weak person, the kings will take away from them with power, force. So their actions (those of the servants) become manifest in their actions (those of the kings and rulers).
And it is not from the Divine wisdom that the evil-doers and the sinners are
made to be ruled over [by anyone] except by one who is of their like.
And when the very first band (of Islaam) was the best of the generations, and the most pious of them, then their rulers were likewise. And when they became tarnished (i.e. corrupted), the Rulers were made corrupted over them. Thus, the wisdom of Allaah refuses that the likes of Mu’aawiyah, and ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil- ‘Azeez are put in authority over us in the likes of these times [the 8th Century Hijra], let alone the likes of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. Rather, our rulers are in accordance with our (nature) and the rulers of those before us were in accordance with their (nature). And both of the two matters necessitate wisdom and what it requires.
And the one who has deep rooted intelligence, when he moves his though around in this subject will see the Divine wisdom that runs through al-Qadaa wal-Qadr (Ordainment and Pre-Decree), externally and internally, just as it runs through al-Khalq qal-Amr (the Creation and the Command). So beware from thinking with your corrupt though that anything of His ordainments and decrees are devoid of the far-reaching wisdom. Rather, all of His, the most High's ordainments and decrees take place form the most perfect angles of correctness and wisdom. However, the weak intellects are veiled, by way of their weakness, from perceiving these [aspects of widsom], just like eyes suffering day-blindness are veiled, by way of their weakness from the light of the sun..." End quote from Ibn al-Qayyim
Source: Miftaah Daar is-Sa’aadah (2/177) [Daar Ibn ‘Affaan]
So we spend our time critizing others and expend little of it in seriously studying our deen in order to fix our important (religious) affairs. We try force off Allah's Qadr. But the scholars mention the ayah of Allah in the Qur'an where Allahs says to mankind he will not fix the situation of a people until they fix what is in themselves. And the scholars of Islam mention that the problem is not our being "inferior" (in number, technology or weapons) as Allah gave victory to his Messenger even though they were less in number, technology, weapons, and so on because they held Islam which is truly superior. The problem is correcting our affairs in religion, in our creed, and our methodology. In fact, this is what Muhammad (sallallu' alayhi wa salam) started with in Makkah. Not with demonstration, sit-ins, and noise. But with Tawheed and with Hikmah.
Bukhari:-
Volumn 001, Book 008, Hadith Number 427.
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Narated By 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas : When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
Sahih Muslim:
Book 004, Hadith Number 2121.
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Chapter : It is forbidden to sit over the grave and observe prayer facing towards it.
Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)as saying: Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.
Qur'aan:[035:022] Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. God can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves. this included shuhadaa' coz though they are "living" but still they are in graves, so no one can claim i go to so-&-so's grave coz he was shaheed, so he's living, so he can listen to me & intercede to Allah for me....
Saying all above, i doubt fatwa would be as it's being portraied... let's see the fatwa first then comment on that..
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& i know arab leaders r bad, but how about Hamas who's riddled with spies(as someone else on this forum claimed). Who gives evil-hell Bound-israelis an excuse to kill innocent civilians by throwing useless rockets & THEN make their offices within civilian population giving gutter-sludge-israelis another excuse to kill civilians.
Islam teaches that untill u r powerful enough to take enemy head-on, endure persecution by staying silent or by migrating to some peaceful area.
While muslim world is divided & weak it's foolishness to provoke israeli evil. Confronting an enemy u can't take on by proper/organized war(Jihad) is unprecedented in islam..... can u show me one example from prophet's life where he confronted enemy in un-organized gorella type warfare????
Stop whining about why snake(israel) bit u, ask why r u still sitting in snake riddled land.....
U can't tame scorpions, they r going to sting u anyways, so either get united & powerful enough to kill snakes & scorpions or run for ur life...
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There should be no borders amongst Muslims, you have the brits to thank for the pan Arabism
we'll all be responsible for what is happening to the palis.. I have made myself innocent from the filth and the hypocrisy of the Arabs..
they are as Allah swt mentioned in the Quran
The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and Hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger but Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Let them get drunk and issue faulty fatwas while little children die of illegal chemicals used by the Zionist pigs.. one day all guilty parties will be held responsible of what their hands have brought forth...
7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel.. I am so hurt by this, I can't believe we have let this crap go on for so long imsad
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Issuing Faulty Translations and Tafseer
Separating Muslims based on asabbiyyah and hizbiyyah, like this example of hating Arabs and creating enmity between Muslims who are Arab and who aren't, is one of the reasons we are in this mess.
Another is false interpretation the religion; or interpretations and understandings from laymen without the advice of the knowledgable and righteous scholars. Allah provides has a high status for them in his deen and mentions them in the quran in many places and gives them a higher status than those who are just righteous as opposed to righteous AND having knowledge.
Allah ta'allaa says, "Allâh bears witness that Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), and the angels, and those having knowledge (also give this witness); (He is always) maintaining His creation in Justice. Lâ ilâh illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (Aali Imran 3:18)
So from amongst the scholars of tafseer is Ibn Katheer. The ayah first quoted is correctly translated as, "The bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to not know the limits which Allah has revealed to His Messenger" [Taubah; 97].
While a laymen might literally translate the first arabic word in the verse as Arabs, scholars of Tafsir agree that the beduins are who Allah specifies in this verse and this is agreed upon by the companions including Ibn Abaas (the cousin of the prophet and a well known authority in Tafseer).
Ibn Katheer adds, "Allah states that there are disbelievers, hypocrites and believers among the bedouins. He also states that the disbelief and hypocrisy of the bedouins is worse and deeper than the disbelief and hypocrisy of others. They are the most likely of being ignorant of the commandments that Allah has revealed to His Messenger . Al-A`mash narrated that Ibrahim said, "A bedouin man sat next to Zayd bin Sawhan while he was speaking to his friends. Zayd had lost his hand during the battle of Nahawand. The bedouin man said, `By Allah! I like your speech. However, your hand causes me suspicion.' Zayd said, `Why are you suspicious because of my hand, it is the left hand [that is cut]' The bedouin man said, `By Allah! I do not know which hand they cut off (for committing theft), is it the right or the left' Zayd bin Sawhan said, `Allah has said the truth,
[الاٌّعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلاَّ يَعْلَمُواْ حُدُودَ مَآ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ]
Source: Translations and Tafsir Taken from Tafseer Ibn Katheer.
Separating Muslims based on asabbiyyah and hizbiyyah, like this example of hating Arabs and creating enmity between Muslims who are Arab and who aren't, is one of the reasons we are in this mess.
Another is false interpretation the religion; or interpretations and understandings from laymen without the advice of the knowledgable and righteous scholars. Allah provides has a high status for them in his deen and mentions them in the quran in many places and gives them a higher status than those who are just righteous as opposed to righteous AND having knowledge.
Allah ta'allaa says, "Allâh bears witness that Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), and the angels, and those having knowledge (also give this witness); (He is always) maintaining His creation in Justice. Lâ ilâh illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (Aali Imran 3:18)
So from amongst the scholars of tafseer is Ibn Katheer. The ayah first quoted is correctly translated as, "The bedouins are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to not know the limits which Allah has revealed to His Messenger" [Taubah; 97].
While a laymen might literally translate the first arabic word in the verse as Arabs, scholars of Tafsir agree that the beduins are who Allah specifies in this verse and this is agreed upon by the companions including Ibn Abaas (the cousin of the prophet and a well known authority in Tafseer).
Ibn Katheer adds, "Allah states that there are disbelievers, hypocrites and believers among the bedouins. He also states that the disbelief and hypocrisy of the bedouins is worse and deeper than the disbelief and hypocrisy of others. They are the most likely of being ignorant of the commandments that Allah has revealed to His Messenger . Al-A`mash narrated that Ibrahim said, "A bedouin man sat next to Zayd bin Sawhan while he was speaking to his friends. Zayd had lost his hand during the battle of Nahawand. The bedouin man said, `By Allah! I like your speech. However, your hand causes me suspicion.' Zayd said, `Why are you suspicious because of my hand, it is the left hand [that is cut]' The bedouin man said, `By Allah! I do not know which hand they cut off (for committing theft), is it the right or the left' Zayd bin Sawhan said, `Allah has said the truth,
[الاٌّعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلاَّ يَعْلَمُواْ حُدُودَ مَآ أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ]
Source: Translations and Tafsir Taken from Tafseer Ibn Katheer.
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I am not sure how the translation of al'a3rab as above 'Arabs of the desert' to your preferred Bedouins makes any difference? From amongst their midst indeed are hypocrites, and ignorant!
Given that I am Arabic.. I am not really sure what enmity you think I am creating? -- I am clearly speaking of the 'leadership' under which those countries are held in bondage a natural conclusion given the title of the thread? The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
perhaps you should live in Saudi a while? or see what mess the Qatar guy got the palis into, browse their palaces a bit to see the liquor and the women and the gambling at the same time they give 400+ lashes to doctors not treating a princesses' addiction under the guise of them having committed lewd acts, with no evidence whatsoever to back up the allegations, or maybe the Emirati guy who spent millions for the W hore Mariah carey and fire works for a new mall and opening pagan temples for Sikhs whilst the palis who ironically are also Arabs are dying in scores in the most vile manners & are trapped from all sides without even the most basic human needs of water, or electricity or medical care before giving me a lesson on seeking scholarly advise?
I am not here to pass kuffer on them, but many scholars have done so, expressing my anger at their impotence is the least I can do.. I think the real issue is for us to refrain from giving 'morality lessons' when there are other issues far more pressing.. the problems won't be solved either if we keep burying our head in the sand thinking all is well-- simply because such folks have been bestowed the title of 'Muslims'
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Given that I am Arabic.. I am not really sure what enmity you think I am creating? -- I am clearly speaking of the 'leadership' under which those countries are held in bondage a natural conclusion given the title of the thread? The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
perhaps you should live in Saudi a while? or see what mess the Qatar guy got the palis into, browse their palaces a bit to see the liquor and the women and the gambling at the same time they give 400+ lashes to doctors not treating a princesses' addiction under the guise of them having committed lewd acts, with no evidence whatsoever to back up the allegations, or maybe the Emirati guy who spent millions for the W hore Mariah carey and fire works for a new mall and opening pagan temples for Sikhs whilst the palis who ironically are also Arabs are dying in scores in the most vile manners & are trapped from all sides without even the most basic human needs of water, or electricity or medical care before giving me a lesson on seeking scholarly advise?
I am not here to pass kuffer on them, but many scholars have done so, expressing my anger at their impotence is the least I can do.. I think the real issue is for us to refrain from giving 'morality lessons' when there are other issues far more pressing.. the problems won't be solved either if we keep burying our head in the sand thinking all is well-- simply because such folks have been bestowed the title of 'Muslims'
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Even though it's become obvious to me know that you were referring to the Arab leaders, it was still misleading to say "the Arabs" when you referred to how filthy Arab leaders are, despite the context of the thread.
I actually have been to Saudi several times, and my longest stay there was 3 months, if it can be considered a while. No one is trying to cover up for the mistakes of any rulers. On the other hand, this does still not justify criticizing all Arab rulers while providing vague and "cliche" evidences, some fo which which you might find accurate references for, but not enough to vilify all Arab leaders and Arab people in authority. Even when you find evidence and begin to criticize or if the people in their respective country begin to demonstrate or rebel, this really only weakens the Muslims (i.e. when they rebel against Muslim rulers and openly criticize them). It doesn't help the situation of the people in Gaza nor in Saudi. Our dua, our wealth, and things like this help them.
So even Ibn Umar, other companions, and the knowledgable from the tabi'een did not fight the oppressive Hajjaj or criticize him publicly knowing very well to follow the prophetic advice in regards to obey the ruler, even the oppressive ones, and on advising the rulers with sincerity in secrecy.
The issue most pressing is truly tawheed, and this is where all the non-Muslim leaders lack They are clamoring and making loud noises whilst committing the greatest aggression and that is shirk. I'm assuming, given all the posts the clamoring contributes more to the Palestinian people than the wealth and hospital services the Saudi public and kingship provided. Talk is cheap.
I am not trying to defend the sins or oppression of any leader, but to give an explanation why they exist. As the famous scholar Ibn al-Qayyim mentioned, It is our repeated neglect of the most pressing matter- tawheed (studying it in our life and living it)and our easiness with bringing other personal things (regardless of what they may be) ahead of it that keeps us in a cycle of loss. While on the other hand, even when the prophet and his companions were being tested with torture and murder, they made this issue of tawheed most important. That is why Allah gave them victory and that is why He gave them blessed rulers like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali.
I am sorry if I offended you in my last post; that was not my intention and I definitely misconstrued some things on my part.
Even though it's become obvious to me know that you were referring to the Arab leaders, it was still misleading to say "the Arabs" when you referred to how filthy Arab leaders are, despite the context of the thread.
I actually have been to Saudi several times, and my longest stay there was 3 months, if it can be considered a while. No one is trying to cover up for the mistakes of any rulers. On the other hand, this does still not justify criticizing all Arab rulers while providing vague and "cliche" evidences, some fo which which you might find accurate references for, but not enough to vilify all Arab leaders and Arab people in authority. Even when you find evidence and begin to criticize or if the people in their respective country begin to demonstrate or rebel, this really only weakens the Muslims (i.e. when they rebel against Muslim rulers and openly criticize them). It doesn't help the situation of the people in Gaza nor in Saudi. Our dua, our wealth, and things like this help them.
So even Ibn Umar, other companions, and the knowledgable from the tabi'een did not fight the oppressive Hajjaj or criticize him publicly knowing very well to follow the prophetic advice in regards to obey the ruler, even the oppressive ones, and on advising the rulers with sincerity in secrecy.
The issue most pressing is truly tawheed, and this is where all the non-Muslim leaders lack They are clamoring and making loud noises whilst committing the greatest aggression and that is shirk. I'm assuming, given all the posts the clamoring contributes more to the Palestinian people than the wealth and hospital services the Saudi public and kingship provided. Talk is cheap.
I am not trying to defend the sins or oppression of any leader, but to give an explanation why they exist. As the famous scholar Ibn al-Qayyim mentioned, It is our repeated neglect of the most pressing matter- tawheed (studying it in our life and living it)and our easiness with bringing other personal things (regardless of what they may be) ahead of it that keeps us in a cycle of loss. While on the other hand, even when the prophet and his companions were being tested with torture and murder, they made this issue of tawheed most important. That is why Allah gave them victory and that is why He gave them blessed rulers like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali.
I am sorry if I offended you in my last post; that was not my intention and I definitely misconstrued some things on my part.
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We don't have an Islamic state anywhere, and no one is governing by Islamic Jurisprudence, least of which when it comes to their own folly which I believe can be classified under 'hypocrisy' so I am very justified in accusing the entire governing body!
None of the examples I have given were 'cliched', there is no adage to the story, it is simple headline news any google search will yield you such results.
I personally don't see any relevance to this subject under the title of 'The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones' to tawheed? and lastly have already told you, that I myself am Arabic...
No offense taken, I am simply not seeing the relevance of one topic to the other
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None of the examples I have given were 'cliched', there is no adage to the story, it is simple headline news any google search will yield you such results.
I personally don't see any relevance to this subject under the title of 'The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones' to tawheed? and lastly have already told you, that I myself am Arabic...
No offense taken, I am simply not seeing the relevance of one topic to the other
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The relevance of Tawheed to this threads' topic, 'The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones', is simple and it is as clear as the day and night.
The majority of the Arab leaders are Muslim. In other words, simply by accepting Islam, they have accepted Tawheed completely, which is:
1-Accepting almighty Allah as their sole Lord by His description in the Qur'an and the sunnah (i.e. his names and attributes). It's proof's are numerous and one is: "And to Allah belong the most Perfect and Beautiful Names, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do.' [Al-Aa'raaf (7): 180]
2- Singling out Allah alone in His actions, with the belief that He is the only Creator of the creation, and amongst its proofs are: "And there is no living creature on earth but its providion is due from Allaah. [Hud (11):6] and "Allaah is the Creator of all things." [az-Zumar (39): 62]]
2- Singling out Allah alone (in worship) by the actions of the slaves such as seeking nearness ro Him, supplication, vowing, sacrifice, hope, fear, etc. and the proofs for all of these and more are numerous, one is: "Say: "Verily, I am commanded to worship Allah (alone) by making the deen sincerely for Him."" [az-Zumar (39):11]
On the other hand, the Israeli's and the non-Muslim leaders, by rejecting Islam, they have blatantly rejected Tawheed which is as is mentioned above.
The conclusion (1): Tawheed is the greatest of beliefs and actions. Shirk is the worst of aggressions and simply the WORST act hated by Allah. So how can the Muslim leaders be worse than the Israeli one's?
The conclusion (2): We are suffering today not because of leader so-and-so, but because of our neglect for really studying Tawheed, learning it, and wholly implementing it in our life. We should carefully understand that it NOT the so-called "superiority" of the West or the laziness and weakness of the Arab leaders, but it is Allah who TRULY dictates the situation anywhere. One should then really ponder over why Allah allows the Muslims, to be devoured, exterminated, and punished.
Allah says, "Evil (sins and disobedience of Allâh, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that Allâh may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allâh, and begging His Pardon). (Ar-Rum 30: 41)
In other words, we are all responsible for what Allah is making us tasting. It is not as simple as putting it only on the West or the few Arab leaders.
and Allah says, "Verily! Allâh will not change the good condition of a people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves (by committing sins and by being ungrateful and disobedient to Allâh). But when Allâh wills a people's punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector. (Ra'd 13:11)
The conclusion (3): In fact, the fatwa is amazing, because it recommends something that is meant to correct our affairs, specifically in Tawheed, and this Tawheed is the most noblest of affairs. Many of the people in Baghdad excessively praise the dead Sahabah, saints, etc. They commit border-line, and sometimes, fraglant acts against Tawheed. So this fatwa gives the better alternative to correct the affairs of the people and by doing so, aids in correcting our sins and disbelief, and therefore aids in bringing closer the help of Allah.
The majority of the Arab leaders are Muslim. In other words, simply by accepting Islam, they have accepted Tawheed completely, which is:
1-Accepting almighty Allah as their sole Lord by His description in the Qur'an and the sunnah (i.e. his names and attributes). It's proof's are numerous and one is: "And to Allah belong the most Perfect and Beautiful Names, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do.' [Al-Aa'raaf (7): 180]
2- Singling out Allah alone in His actions, with the belief that He is the only Creator of the creation, and amongst its proofs are: "And there is no living creature on earth but its providion is due from Allaah. [Hud (11):6] and "Allaah is the Creator of all things." [az-Zumar (39): 62]]
2- Singling out Allah alone (in worship) by the actions of the slaves such as seeking nearness ro Him, supplication, vowing, sacrifice, hope, fear, etc. and the proofs for all of these and more are numerous, one is: "Say: "Verily, I am commanded to worship Allah (alone) by making the deen sincerely for Him."" [az-Zumar (39):11]
On the other hand, the Israeli's and the non-Muslim leaders, by rejecting Islam, they have blatantly rejected Tawheed which is as is mentioned above.
The conclusion (1): Tawheed is the greatest of beliefs and actions. Shirk is the worst of aggressions and simply the WORST act hated by Allah. So how can the Muslim leaders be worse than the Israeli one's?
The conclusion (2): We are suffering today not because of leader so-and-so, but because of our neglect for really studying Tawheed, learning it, and wholly implementing it in our life. We should carefully understand that it NOT the so-called "superiority" of the West or the laziness and weakness of the Arab leaders, but it is Allah who TRULY dictates the situation anywhere. One should then really ponder over why Allah allows the Muslims, to be devoured, exterminated, and punished.
Allah says, "Evil (sins and disobedience of Allâh, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that Allâh may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allâh, and begging His Pardon). (Ar-Rum 30: 41)
In other words, we are all responsible for what Allah is making us tasting. It is not as simple as putting it only on the West or the few Arab leaders.
and Allah says, "Verily! Allâh will not change the good condition of a people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves (by committing sins and by being ungrateful and disobedient to Allâh). But when Allâh wills a people's punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector. (Ra'd 13:11)
The conclusion (3): In fact, the fatwa is amazing, because it recommends something that is meant to correct our affairs, specifically in Tawheed, and this Tawheed is the most noblest of affairs. Many of the people in Baghdad excessively praise the dead Sahabah, saints, etc. They commit border-line, and sometimes, fraglant acts against Tawheed. So this fatwa gives the better alternative to correct the affairs of the people and by doing so, aids in correcting our sins and disbelief, and therefore aids in bringing closer the help of Allah.
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I am not sure, what in your mind is a greater offense? governing under kaffir law and allowing the dissolution of the umma and the Islamic state thereby allowing for the death of millions the Muslims world over or iraqis praising the sahaba? not that the latter is any less an offense, but I am rather amused by your logic or lack thereof ..
I will end this on a humorous note for the fact, that I think engaging you on this topic seems to dig you into a deeper hole!
You'll forgive me if I don't share your stance or see how oranges compare to apples
I will end this on a humorous note for the fact, that I think engaging you on this topic seems to dig you into a deeper hole!
You'll forgive me if I don't share your stance or see how oranges compare to apples
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqD1xvi2KlA[/MEDIA]
turn your volume down, as the pictures are worth a thousand words!
turn your volume down, as the pictures are worth a thousand words!
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Many of the Shi'ite of Iraq do not simply praise the Sahabah. You have left out my words which were "excessive praise", so what you said has completely changed the meaning of what was really being mentioned. There is nothing wrong in praise which is mentioning good things about Allah's messenger and his companions. It is actually something permissible. Excessive praise is not. And the meaning of "excessive praise" is simple and could not possibly be confused as I immediately mentiong the meaning after mentioning the words: that excessive praise is contrary to Tawheed (i.e. it is worshipping Allah in any form or way; it is minor or major shirk). In others, they worship dead saints, visit shrines for ibadah, and do similar to the graves of the Sahabah. There calling upon Hasan and Husain in their dua and prayers is well known and so is their visiting shrines.
The Evidences are numerous:
http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL7273743
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTI1NDM4NDI1OQ==
Minhaaj us-Sunnah by Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. As I understand it, excerpts of the book regarding the Shi'ah are online.
Then moving onto the next topic, about ruling by other than what Allah has legislated.
The Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: "The Khilaafah in my Ummah after me will be for thirty years. Then there will be kingship after that." [Saheeh – Reported by Ahmad, Tirmidthee, Aboo Ya’laa.]
So if he knew there would be kingship, what is his advice?
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
"The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, and those who supplicate Allah in your favor and you supplicate Allah in their favor. The worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you; and whom you curse and who curse you." It was asked (by those who were present): "Should not we oppose them?" He said, "No, as long as they establish Salat; as long as they establish Salat in your midst." (Muslim)
The next statement is something I have copied from a book I own, entitled "Explanations of the Creed" and authored by Muhammad al-Hasan ibn 'Alee ibn Khalf al-Barbahaaree.
This first part is taken from point 34 (p. 43):
It is not permissible to fight the ruler nor to rebel against him even if he oppresses. This is due to the saying of the Messenger of Allah to Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree, "Have patience even if he is an Abyssinian slave." [Its like is reported in Muslim; Eng. trans. vol.3, nos. 4525, 4526] and his (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) saying to the Ansaar, "Have patience until you meet me at the Pool." [Reported by al-Bukhaaree; Eng. trans. vol.5, no. 136 ] There is no fighting against the ruler in the Sunnah. It causes destruction of the religion and the worldly affairs.
This second part is taken from the footnotes on point 34 (p. 43)
Hudhaifah, radiallahu 'anhu, reports in a longer hadeeth that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) said, "There will come leaders who will not follow my guidance and will not follow my Sunnah. There will be amongst them men who will have hearts of devils in the bodies of humans." He (Hudhaifah) asked, "What shall I do O Messenger of Allah if I reach that?" He replied, "You should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your back and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey". [Reported by Muslim; Eng. trans. 3/1029/no.4554].
These Hadeeth can apply to the Muslim kings who rule by other than what Allah has legislated.
Concerning the issue of ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed, then this is a great topic which cannot be discussed on the likes of this forum. I recommend that you await the release of "Fitnatut-Takfeer" of Shaykh al-Albaanee. This contains the fatwaas of Shaykh al-Albaanee, Shaykh Ibn Baaz and Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen on this great topic. And all of them are in agreement. Takfeer is not to be performed upon a ruler until it is known that he rejected Allaah’s rule as a matter of belief, or that he deemed secular law more superior to that of Islaam, or he viewed Islaam to be outmoded, backward etc. As for the one who replaces the Sharee’ah with secular law (tabdeel) then he too is not to be judged kaafir automatically until it is known that his action occurred from him due to his belief that secular law is superior etc. Likewise for the one who refers to secular law for judgement and makes it a reference point, he too is not to be judged a kaafir unless it is known from him that he holds this to be permissible as a matter of belief.
I will mention a few quotations of the scholars anyways to show that they are all clearly upon the same:
Ibn Al-Qayyim: "And as for the replaced law (al-hukmul-mubaddal) - and THAT IS RULING BY OTHER THAN WHAT ALLAAH HAS REVEALED - then it is not permissible to implement it nor to act by it, and it is not permissible to follow it, and the one guilty of it (saahibuhu) is BETWEEN (THE STATES) OF KUFR (DISBELIEF), FUSOOQ (REBELLION) AND DHULM (OPPRESSION)."
Shaikh Ibn ’Uthaymeen said, "And there is a doubt (shubhah) with many of the youth, which has become firmly and deeply rooted in their minds and it has kindled the issue of revolting against the rulers - and it is: that those rulers replace the Sharee’ah (haa’ulaa`il-Hukkaam MUBADDILOON), they prescribe the (secular) laws from themselves and they do not rule by what Allaah has revealed and the rule is present - but they prescribed laws from themselves.....Does the description of apostasy apply to them or not? And this requires knowing the evidences which indicate that this saying or action is apostasy, then applying them to an individual, and then, whether this individual has any doubts (which may excuse him) or not? Meaning: Sometimes a text can indicate that this action is kufr and this saying is kufr, but there are preventive barriers which prevent the application of the ruling of kufr upon this specific individual… and these preventive barriers are many, amongst them dhann (speculation) which is ignorance and amongst them ghalabah (which means being overcome by something)…"
Then the shaykh gives some examples from the sunnah - so he mentions the hadeeth of the man who asked for his body to be burned after his death and the ashes to be scattered across the earth. So the shaykh explains that the outward manifestation of his 'aqeedah is kufr, and doubt in the power of Allaah. And the shaykh gives the example of the one who when he finds his lost camel in the desert says: "O Allaah, you are my servant and I am your Lord". So the shaykh says that this is a word of kufr, but the one who says it is not to be declared a disbeliever, because he was overcome (i.e. had no power of it) due to the intensity of his happiness. And the Shaykh also gives the example of "the one who is compelled to kufr - so he utters a word of kufr, or does an action of kufr, but he is not to be declared a disbeliever by a text of the Qur’aan, because he does not desire it and has not made it his choice." at-Tahdheer min Fitnatit-Takfeer of Shaykh Naasir (p. 105-107).
You are repeatedly posting things that are about criticizing rulers and trying to paint a picture of me as someone who likes corrupt rulers or does not believe that a numerable portion of rulers are actually corrupt. Please understand that I am in no way accepting the faults of rulers as permissible. Neither have I indulged in my personal opinions clearing any ruler of wrongdoings or confirming that they done wrong things because it is of no benefit to anyone in these forums.
Rather, my objective is only to present the clear methodology in our religion with regards to the rulers, whether oppressive or just. I believe the more people who read this with an open mind will read over the statements made by the scholars and the evidences from the Qur'aan and the sunnah that I have posted. This, I believe, will be of benefit because we can focus on studying our religion and correcting our own mistakes in our own lives: which is attainable and reasonably within our reach-- something that our religion calls us towards-- not critizing Muslim rulers and rousing people to demonstrations and the like, which our religion tells us wastes times and weakens our resolve. So the proof for us needing to study our religion, have unconditional belief in what we learn, implement it, and have patience is:
Allah (subhana wa ta'allaa) says, "By Time. Verily, Man is in loss! Except those who believe (in Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-Ma'rûf)which Allâh has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar)which Allâh has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allâh's Cause during preaching His religion of Islâmic Monotheism or Jihâd, etc.). (Al-'Asr)
The Evidences are numerous:
http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL7273743
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTI1NDM4NDI1OQ==
Minhaaj us-Sunnah by Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. As I understand it, excerpts of the book regarding the Shi'ah are online.
Then moving onto the next topic, about ruling by other than what Allah has legislated.
The Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: "The Khilaafah in my Ummah after me will be for thirty years. Then there will be kingship after that." [Saheeh – Reported by Ahmad, Tirmidthee, Aboo Ya’laa.]
So if he knew there would be kingship, what is his advice?
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
"The best of your rulers are those whom you love and who love you, and those who supplicate Allah in your favor and you supplicate Allah in their favor. The worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you; and whom you curse and who curse you." It was asked (by those who were present): "Should not we oppose them?" He said, "No, as long as they establish Salat; as long as they establish Salat in your midst." (Muslim)
The next statement is something I have copied from a book I own, entitled "Explanations of the Creed" and authored by Muhammad al-Hasan ibn 'Alee ibn Khalf al-Barbahaaree.
This first part is taken from point 34 (p. 43):
It is not permissible to fight the ruler nor to rebel against him even if he oppresses. This is due to the saying of the Messenger of Allah to Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree, "Have patience even if he is an Abyssinian slave." [Its like is reported in Muslim; Eng. trans. vol.3, nos. 4525, 4526] and his (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) saying to the Ansaar, "Have patience until you meet me at the Pool." [Reported by al-Bukhaaree; Eng. trans. vol.5, no. 136 ] There is no fighting against the ruler in the Sunnah. It causes destruction of the religion and the worldly affairs.
This second part is taken from the footnotes on point 34 (p. 43)
Hudhaifah, radiallahu 'anhu, reports in a longer hadeeth that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) said, "There will come leaders who will not follow my guidance and will not follow my Sunnah. There will be amongst them men who will have hearts of devils in the bodies of humans." He (Hudhaifah) asked, "What shall I do O Messenger of Allah if I reach that?" He replied, "You should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your back and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey". [Reported by Muslim; Eng. trans. 3/1029/no.4554].
These Hadeeth can apply to the Muslim kings who rule by other than what Allah has legislated.
Concerning the issue of ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed, then this is a great topic which cannot be discussed on the likes of this forum. I recommend that you await the release of "Fitnatut-Takfeer" of Shaykh al-Albaanee. This contains the fatwaas of Shaykh al-Albaanee, Shaykh Ibn Baaz and Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen on this great topic. And all of them are in agreement. Takfeer is not to be performed upon a ruler until it is known that he rejected Allaah’s rule as a matter of belief, or that he deemed secular law more superior to that of Islaam, or he viewed Islaam to be outmoded, backward etc. As for the one who replaces the Sharee’ah with secular law (tabdeel) then he too is not to be judged kaafir automatically until it is known that his action occurred from him due to his belief that secular law is superior etc. Likewise for the one who refers to secular law for judgement and makes it a reference point, he too is not to be judged a kaafir unless it is known from him that he holds this to be permissible as a matter of belief.
I will mention a few quotations of the scholars anyways to show that they are all clearly upon the same:
Ibn Al-Qayyim: "And as for the replaced law (al-hukmul-mubaddal) - and THAT IS RULING BY OTHER THAN WHAT ALLAAH HAS REVEALED - then it is not permissible to implement it nor to act by it, and it is not permissible to follow it, and the one guilty of it (saahibuhu) is BETWEEN (THE STATES) OF KUFR (DISBELIEF), FUSOOQ (REBELLION) AND DHULM (OPPRESSION)."
Shaikh Ibn ’Uthaymeen said, "And there is a doubt (shubhah) with many of the youth, which has become firmly and deeply rooted in their minds and it has kindled the issue of revolting against the rulers - and it is: that those rulers replace the Sharee’ah (haa’ulaa`il-Hukkaam MUBADDILOON), they prescribe the (secular) laws from themselves and they do not rule by what Allaah has revealed and the rule is present - but they prescribed laws from themselves.....Does the description of apostasy apply to them or not? And this requires knowing the evidences which indicate that this saying or action is apostasy, then applying them to an individual, and then, whether this individual has any doubts (which may excuse him) or not? Meaning: Sometimes a text can indicate that this action is kufr and this saying is kufr, but there are preventive barriers which prevent the application of the ruling of kufr upon this specific individual… and these preventive barriers are many, amongst them dhann (speculation) which is ignorance and amongst them ghalabah (which means being overcome by something)…"
Then the shaykh gives some examples from the sunnah - so he mentions the hadeeth of the man who asked for his body to be burned after his death and the ashes to be scattered across the earth. So the shaykh explains that the outward manifestation of his 'aqeedah is kufr, and doubt in the power of Allaah. And the shaykh gives the example of the one who when he finds his lost camel in the desert says: "O Allaah, you are my servant and I am your Lord". So the shaykh says that this is a word of kufr, but the one who says it is not to be declared a disbeliever, because he was overcome (i.e. had no power of it) due to the intensity of his happiness. And the Shaykh also gives the example of "the one who is compelled to kufr - so he utters a word of kufr, or does an action of kufr, but he is not to be declared a disbeliever by a text of the Qur’aan, because he does not desire it and has not made it his choice." at-Tahdheer min Fitnatit-Takfeer of Shaykh Naasir (p. 105-107).
You are repeatedly posting things that are about criticizing rulers and trying to paint a picture of me as someone who likes corrupt rulers or does not believe that a numerable portion of rulers are actually corrupt. Please understand that I am in no way accepting the faults of rulers as permissible. Neither have I indulged in my personal opinions clearing any ruler of wrongdoings or confirming that they done wrong things because it is of no benefit to anyone in these forums.
Rather, my objective is only to present the clear methodology in our religion with regards to the rulers, whether oppressive or just. I believe the more people who read this with an open mind will read over the statements made by the scholars and the evidences from the Qur'aan and the sunnah that I have posted. This, I believe, will be of benefit because we can focus on studying our religion and correcting our own mistakes in our own lives: which is attainable and reasonably within our reach-- something that our religion calls us towards-- not critizing Muslim rulers and rousing people to demonstrations and the like, which our religion tells us wastes times and weakens our resolve. So the proof for us needing to study our religion, have unconditional belief in what we learn, implement it, and have patience is:
Allah (subhana wa ta'allaa) says, "By Time. Verily, Man is in loss! Except those who believe (in Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-Ma'rûf)which Allâh has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar)which Allâh has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allâh's Cause during preaching His religion of Islâmic Monotheism or Jihâd, etc.). (Al-'Asr)
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aslaam 3lykoum akhi..
why drown me in volumes of copied material than admit to the obvious?
There is no need for the circuitous route, or bringing shiites into the thread as the topic has nothing to do with the matter, again I bring your attention to the thread title:
The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
which is the bottom line of all this, and a couple of posts ago, I said I have not passed takfir on anyone but many scholars have already done so. Are they hypocrites and worst than kaffirs.. I really believe so, I have stated my reasons above though I need not list any, as the current situation we are in highlights the obvious, further, we are not living under an Islamic state, or governing by its jurisprudence -- There is really no point to all of what you are doing here.. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.. and let's leave it as such. I can and in fact read books on my private time, but you are having a difficult time tying this all together and I simply can't sit through another lecture that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic!
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why drown me in volumes of copied material than admit to the obvious?
There is no need for the circuitous route, or bringing shiites into the thread as the topic has nothing to do with the matter, again I bring your attention to the thread title:
The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones
which is the bottom line of all this, and a couple of posts ago, I said I have not passed takfir on anyone but many scholars have already done so. Are they hypocrites and worst than kaffirs.. I really believe so, I have stated my reasons above though I need not list any, as the current situation we are in highlights the obvious, further, we are not living under an Islamic state, or governing by its jurisprudence -- There is really no point to all of what you are doing here.. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.. and let's leave it as such. I can and in fact read books on my private time, but you are having a difficult time tying this all together and I simply can't sit through another lecture that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic!
Jazaka Allah
It just wouldn't do to blame the Ottoman empire for making the Arabs a part of WWI in the first place.
Nah but it does seem odd that threads tend to get closed before I can offer a response. :rollseyes
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Not odd at all, least of which when there is 12 or so threads on the very matter.. you should familiarize yourself with FAQ amongst other things -- and consider it a favor done you, as you have the tendency to beat a dead horse without imparting anything of substance!
I told you previously.. you are not skilled enough to take me on!
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I told you previously.. you are not skilled enough to take me on!
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