The "boycott" strategy ?

[Jedi]

^^ having a difficult time buying into the story, it can't be that difficult to write out the website from whence you got it, and secondly, this thread isn't about homos, or those who support homos, or those who seek aid from homos.. read the thread title and be in keeping with the subject matter..

BTW, I thought you gave us a long winded goodbye the other day, did you change your mind?

You must be in denial! I told you I can't post links as a newbie and that the link for the site is in marwens post!
Which is where I got the info from!
The muslim site is called inminds!
Do try harder, or are you just a wind up merchant?
The deflection won't work on me!

The subject may be the 'boycott' strategy, but I am talking about the hypocrisy of muslims accepting help in that from not just kuffars, but gay kuffars!:Koran:

The link was posted by marwen!
I can't post links as a newbie!
On the muslim 'inminds' site they have posted this article from a Jewish site!
I posted before:

Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid


Haaretz Staff
9 June 2010
Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid, British daily The Guardian reported on Wednesday.



"After what has happened, and as human rights campaigners, it seemed barbaric to us to have them taking part," Antonio Poveda, of Spain's Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transexuals and Bisexuals told The Guardian. "We don't just defend our own little patch," he said.
According to the Guardian, the Israeli group, all Tel Aviv residents, have reacted angrily to the notification, and said that the decision to mix the Gaza flotilla with gay pride was wrong.
Israel drew worldwide condemnation after nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed when navy commandos boarded ships Gaza-bound aid boats.
Tel Aviv municipality spokesman Eytan Schwartz told the Spanish paper El Mundo that it was not the city's job to either support or condemn such issues.
"I don't recall Madrid's gay organizations condemning any of the Palestinian terrorist attacks on cafes or buses," Schwartz said. "Islamist fundamentalists don't just want to finish off Israel but that they also believe homosexuals should 'cure themselves' or die."
Schwartz added that the Spanish federation that made the decision should speak to the gay Arabs who flee their countries for Tel Aviv, where they live secretly, "because they would be murdered at home if they revealed their sexuality".
A well known gay activist in Israel, Mike Hamel told the Guardian that the group of Israelis were invited as individuals and not as the country's official representatives, and questioned "why do they mix politics with a gay pride procession?"

Go the to the muslim 'inminds' link in marwen's post, open it, click on the main page link and scroll down until you find:
Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid. [2010-06-09]

Therefore, that is the hypocrisy that I am talking about!

And I did not make a long winded goodbye, or even short winded one!

 

[جوري]

]You must be in denial! I told you I can't post links as a newbie and that the link for the site is in marwens post!
Which is where I got the info from!

Denial about what you twit?

The muslim site is called inminds!

This concerns me and other Muslims here on board how?

Do try harder, or are you just a wind up merchant?

I don't need to try at all with nonsensical twits!

The deflection won't work on me!

That is funny .. glad you found a useful vocation as a board jester!

The subject may be the 'boycott' strategy, but I am talking about the hypocrisy of muslims accepting help in that from not just kuffars, but gay kuffars!:Koran:

As stated before you should state your grievances to those Muslims if such has in fact occurred.. while you are all boohoo about your casual stupidities, people are being killed, maimed, raped by other twits not unlike yourself.. none of us are interested in what you have to say or what you find hypocritical!

Therefore, that is the hypocrisy that I am talking about!

The Only hypocrite around here is you, sadly you can't even honor your own word, and such is the case with a kaffir I suppose!

And I did not make a long winded goodbye, or even short winded one!

Sure you did (the post was later removed) I gave you the grand send-off .. perhaps you can take a hint now troll?


all the best

 

[noorseeker]

Instead of boycotting, we need to support muslim businesses, How many a time do we ignore muslim businesses and run to the local tesco or asda.

But then again i do understand muslim businesses stock these items, if they did not, im pretty sure people wouldnt go in to them if they didnt see these popular items,

It might sound silly , but i boycott coca cola, i make sure about that, where i might be buying products i should be boycotting

 

[Jedi]

Denial about what you twit?
This concerns me and other Muslims here on board how?
I don't need to try at all with nonsensical twits!
That is funny .. glad you found a useful vocation as a board jester!
As stated before you should state your grievances to those Muslims if such has in fact occurred.. while you are all boohoo about your casual stupidities, people are being killed, maimed, raped by other twits not unlike yourself.. none of us are interested in what you have to say or what you find hypocritical!
The Only hypocrite around here is you, sadly you can't even honor your own word, and such is the case with a kaffir I suppose!
Sure you did (the post was later removed) I gave you the grand send-off .. perhaps you can take a hint now troll?


all the best

So you don't think you should denounce this muslim 'hypocrisy' so as to defend islam from the claim of duplicity!

Because, you haven't been short of words in trying to derail my points and other posts, have you!

Why does islam the 'final way', need the support of the kuffar?

Please put your specs on and re-read:

The link was posted by marwen!
I can't post links as a newbie!
On the muslim 'inminds' site they have posted this article from a Jewish site!
I posted before:

Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid


Haaretz Staff
9 June 2010
Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid, British daily The Guardian reported on Wednesday.



"After what has happened, and as human rights campaigners, it seemed barbaric to us to have them taking part," Antonio Poveda, of Spain's Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Transexuals and Bisexuals told The Guardian. "We don't just defend our own little patch," he said.
According to the Guardian, the Israeli group, all Tel Aviv residents, have reacted angrily to the notification, and said that the decision to mix the Gaza flotilla with gay pride was wrong.
Israel drew worldwide condemnation after nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed when navy commandos boarded ships Gaza-bound aid boats.
Tel Aviv municipality spokesman Eytan Schwartz told the Spanish paper El Mundo that it was not the city's job to either support or condemn such issues.
"I don't recall Madrid's gay organizations condemning any of the Palestinian terrorist attacks on cafes or buses," Schwartz said. "Islamist fundamentalists don't just want to finish off Israel but that they also believe homosexuals should 'cure themselves' or die."
Schwartz added that the Spanish federation that made the decision should speak to the gay Arabs who flee their countries for Tel Aviv, where they live secretly, "because they would be murdered at home if they revealed their sexuality".
A well known gay activist in Israel, Mike Hamel told the Guardian that the group of Israelis were invited as individuals and not as the country's official representatives, and questioned "why do they mix politics with a gay pride procession?"

Go the to the muslim 'inminds' link in marwen's post, open it, click on the main page link and scroll down until you find:
Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid. [2010-06-09]

Therefore, that is the hypocrisy that I am talking about!

 

[Jedi]

Instead of boycotting, we need to support muslim businesses, How many a time do we ignore muslim businesses and run to the local tesco or asda.

But then again i do understand muslim businesses stock these items, if they did not, im pretty sure people wouldnt go in to them if they didnt see these popular items,

It might sound silly , but i boycott coca cola, i make sure about that, where i might be buying products i should be boycotting

What I don't understand about the 'boycott' strategy is, that if as the 'inminds' website says.
That coca cola and other brands and products are indicitive of western lifestyles.
Why have muslim/islamic copycat products been made?
Also, how does a non alcoholic western drink = any sort of decadent lifestyle?

 

[جوري]

So you don't think you should denounce this muslim 'hypocrisy' so as to defend islam from the claim of duplicity!

No I don't think I should denounce the acts of other Muslims or the alleged acts of other Muslims. Each soul is held in pledge of its own deeds!

Because, you haven't been short of words in trying to derail my points and other posts, have you!

This post isn't about homos, or hypocrisy, if you desire to make such a thread then make a separate one before you decide whether this post is derailed or not!

Why does islam the 'final way', need the support of the kuffar?

Who said it does? kaffirs insinuate themselves to see what fortune they can steal or land to assimilate into and call it their own!

Please put your specs on and re-read:

it is funny that you think yourself of some grand importance that anyone would have to pay heed to your occasional barking!

The link was posted by marwen!
I can't post links as a newbie!

How does this concern me?

On the muslim 'inminds' site they have posted this article from a Jewish site!
I posted before:

See previous replies and pay close attention to the one where I have stated, that each person is responsible for their own deeds!

Go the to the muslim 'inminds' link in marwen's post, open it, click on the main page link and scroll down until you find:

Do you have difficulty registering my previous responses?

Madrid bans Israelis from gay pride march over Gaza flotilla raid Madrid has banned an Israeli delegation from the city's gay pride parade in protest at last week's Gaza flotilla raid. [2010-06-09]

Aha

Therefore, that is the hypocrisy that I am talking about!

You can talk about it until you are blue in the face, it is of no consequence! troll..

all the best

 

[Woodrow]

I have a major problem with boycot, in particular boycots against Israel. Can anybody name one product shipped internationaly that does not bring profit to Israel? Israel commerce has pretty much tied up all finanacing, international shipping etc. Every product we buy will be either:

1. Providing tax revenue to a country that gives financial assistance to Israel

2. Is shipped through shipping companies owned by and profiting Israel

3. Made by a company finaced by Israeli controlled brokerage firms

4. Made from products that meet any or all of the above

I believe every internationally shipped product bbrings profit to Israel, be it oil produced in Kuwait and shipped to Soamalia to halal beef shipped from any nation to another nation. Even Palestinian made products, made within Gaza or the West Bank by Palestinians profit Israel when they are shipped beyond the borders of Gaza or the West Bank.

This modern world of international corporations makes it virtually impossible to have a specific boycot towards a specific country. Can target the brands of a country the brand is most identified with, but that does not mean it is even owned by people in that country. Many US brands of today are owned by people in China, India, Bangladesh and elsewhere

A few years ago a city in one of our mid western states set out with a plan to buy only American made products. The city solicited bids for new police cars and threw out the low bid from Toyota accepting the bid from Ford as it was a US product. Turned out the Toyotas are built in the USA and the Ford's were built in Canada. Boycots are confusing these days.

But going back, can anybody name one internationally sold product that does not assist Israel?.

 

[1Ummah1Deen]

I have a major problem with boycot, in particular boycots against Israel. Can anybody name one product shipped internationaly that does not bring profit to Israel? Israel commerce has pretty much tied up all finanacing, international shipping etc. Every product we buy will be either:

1. Providing tax revenue to a country that gives financial assistance to Israel

2. Is shipped through shipping companies owned by and profiting Israel

3. Made by a company finaced by Israeli controlled brokerage firms

4. Made from products that meet any or all of the above

I believe every internationally shipped product bbrings profit to Israel, be it oil produced in Kuwait and shipped to Soamalia to halal beef shipped from any nation to another nation. Even Palestinian made products, made within Gaza or the West Bank by Palestinians profit Israel when they are shipped beyond the borders of Gaza or the West Bank.

This modern world of international corporations makes it virtually impossible to have a specific boycot towards a specific country. Can target the brands of a country the brand is most identified with, but that does not mean it is even owned by people in that country. Many US brands of today are owned by people in China, India, Bangladesh and elsewhere

A few years ago a city in one of our mid western states set out with a plan to buy only American made products. The city solicited bids for new police cars and threw out the low bid from Toyota accepting the bid from Ford as it was a US product. Turned out the Toyotas are built in the USA and the Ford's were built in Canada. Boycots are confusing these days.

But going back, can anybody name one internationally sold product that does not assist Israel?.

Salams, brother i completely agree with you, we must be realistic. We all want to help and liberate our brothers and sisters in Palestine, our intention is there and masha'allah the ummah work so hard in raising awareness, giving charity etc. But we need to ask ourselves will this change anything?Will it stop our ummah being killed, maimed, treated worse than rats?

The answer is no,if we look at the state of Israel it is very poor in natural resources it has no means to support itself yet this country the size of scotland has an economy of $185 billion, how?Through various deals with Britain, America the West who were the masterminds behind the creation of the illegal zionist state Israel. So i think we really need to be focused and be realistic even if we were to boycott all products, Israel has the economic support of the western governments, even if the whole muslim population wrote to their Mps at the end of the day the British government will still portect their'dear ally' Israel, subhan'allah evry option which people try we will always be stopped because its not about right/wrong its about protecting interests which is what the capitalist society is all about.

Honestly thats why i feel we need put all of our efforts into taking action, calling the muslim armies to unite under Islam and liberate all of the ummah insha'allah we will see an end to these situations we are facing, its not unrealistic people argue that you can't touch Israel they are the most efficient in their milkitary technology, well look at these figures :

Published figures show that the Muslim armies combined outnumber the Israeli forces by a ratio of 68 Muslim soldiers to one Israeli soldier. The Muslim countries spend almost 17 times more on their military budgets than Israel. So it is clear that a united Muslim armed force is the dominant military power in the region. Even with their advanced military technology, the Israelis cannot overcome such a large military force.

Total Military Manpower fit foir service:

Israel - 2,836,722
Egypt - 35,558,995 - Iran also has a similar amount
Muslim Middle East - 182,058,952

Even if only Hosni Mubarak of Egypt were to grow a pair and defend the muslims instead of helping Israel to slaughter them, send the eygptian army in, i doubt they would have much of a fight on their hands!

The reality is all the muslim leaders we have today are cowards who look after themselves and have no fear of Allah, because if they did they would remember the hadith when the Prophet SAW said that one drop of muslims blood was worth more than the kabaa and its surroundings, subhana'allah where is the protector of the muslims?

 

[Dagless]

I have a major problem with boycot, in particular boycots against Israel. Can anybody name one product shipped internationaly that does not bring profit to Israel?

Lots of countries give aid to Israel. Does that mean boycotts don't work? If everyone thought like that there would never be any change. The aim is not to cut off every penny but to make an impact.

Israel commerce has pretty much tied up all finanacing, international shipping etc. Every product we buy will be either:

1. Providing tax revenue to a country that gives financial assistance to Israel

2. Is shipped through shipping companies owned by and profiting Israel

3. Made by a company finaced by Israeli controlled brokerage firms

4. Made from products that meet any or all of the

By not buying goods produced in Israel or brands which support Israel, Israel will be getting a smaller cut, therefore its wealth will decrease.

I believe every internationally shipped product bbrings profit to Israel, be it oil produced in Kuwait and shipped to Soamalia to halal beef shipped from any nation to another nation. Even Palestinian made products, made within Gaza or the West Bank by Palestinians profit Israel when they are shipped beyond the borders of Gaza or the West Bank.

Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but you can say for sure an item made is Israel will give more to the Israeli economy than an item made in China.

This modern world of international corporations makes it virtually impossible to have a specific boycot towards a specific country. Can target the brands of a country the brand is most identified with, but that does not mean it is even owned by people in that country. Many US brands of today are owned by people in China, India, Bangladesh and elsewhere

Does this even matter? If CompanyX is owned by Indians and is supporting Israel, the boycott will give the company less money and therefore their donations to Israel will be less. I don't care who owns it, only that less money makes its way to illegal settlements.

A few years ago a city in one of our mid western states set out with a plan to buy only American made products. The city solicited bids for new police cars and threw out the low bid from Toyota accepting the bid from Ford as it was a US product. Turned out the Toyotas are built in the USA and the Ford's were built in Canada. Boycots are confusing these days.

This is why I was asking for a definitive list with sources earlier.

 

[Woodrow]

Lots of countries give aid to Israel. Does that mean boycotts don't work? If everyone thought like that there would never be any change. The aim is not to cut off every penny but to make an impact.



By not buying goods produced in Israel or brands which support Israel, Israel will be getting a smaller cut, therefore its wealth will decrease.



Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but you can say for sure an item made is Israel will give more to the Israeli economy than an item made in China.



Does this even matter? If CompanyX is owned by Indians and is supporting Israel, the boycott will give the company less money and therefore their donations to Israel will be less. I don't care who owns it, only that less money makes its way to illegal settlements.



This is why I was asking for a definitive list with sources earlier.

I will simply just go back to one of my earlier comments:

I ask for anybody to name a single internationaly sold product, that does not financially benefit Israel.

Very few Israeli made products are sold outside of Israel. Many if not most Israeli products are made in the West Bank or Gaza and made by Palestinians.

The major income for Israel comes from foreign investments, banking and brokerage services. We can boycott every Israeli made product to the point that they can not be sold and it will have zero impact on the Israeli economy.

The top 10 Israeli exports:

1. Gem diamonds … US$9.5 billion – up 10.5% from 2006 (45.6% of Israel-to-U.S. exports)
2. Dental, medical and pharmaceutical preparations … $2.7 billion – up 3.5% (12.9%)
3. Telecommunications equipment … $746.8 million – up 17.6% (3.6%)
4. Complete civilian aircraft … $685.9 million – up 41.6% (3.3%)
5. Other hospital, medical and scientific equipment … $655 million – up 12.6% (3.1%)
6. Electric apparatus and parts … $385.6 billion – up 11.3% (1.9%) appears to be an error, I am quite certain that should be million not billion
7. Civilian aircraft engines … $370.5 million – up 52.6% (1.8%)
8. Measuring, testing and control instruments … $337.1 million – down 9.8% (1.6%)
9. Other military equipment … $271.3 million – up 223.2% (1.3%)
10. Computer accessories, peripherals and parts … $254.6 billion – up 36.5% (1.2%). appears to be an error, I am quite certain that should be million not billion

SOURCE:http://import-export.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_israeli_imports_exports

The majority of Israel income comes from worldwide business investments.

The Public Profile of just one of many Israeli Investment companies. Africa Israel Goup known as AFI Group:

Company Profile

Global Strategy:

AFI Group implements a global strategy focused on developing core activities in the fields of real estate, construction & infrastructure, energy and related industries. This strategy is aimed at expanding the Group’s business activities and maintaining growth through innovation and entrepreneurship, developing and managing large-scale projects in diverse locations worldwide, consolidating the Group’s economic strength and building up sustainable net income on a reliable basis, and leveraging the Group’s management capabilities and capital to attain future growth.

Real Estate:

AFI Development – Russia: Public company traded in the LSE. Founded in 2001, this company is one of the largest real estate developments companies in Russia, focusing on large scale projects in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Perm, Volgograd and other main cities in Russia in the residential, offices, shopping malls, hotels and infrastructure sectors, such as the Moscow City Shopping Mall and the Tverskaya Zastava site.

AFI USA: Established in 2002, the company focuses on exclusive residential projects, income producing properties and hotels. The company is active in New York where it owns the New York Times Building, the “Clock Tower” and the APTHORP exclusive residential building. It is moreover active in Miami, Los Angeles and Phoenix, and is a partner in the Hard Rock amusement park in Myrtle Beach South Carolina (under construction) and holds building rights for a mega project in Las Vegas.

AFI Europe: The company has been coordinating the group’s activities in Europe since 1998. It owns residential, office and shopping mall projects in the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Germany and Latvia. Among its outstanding assets is the “Palace Flora” mall in Prague and is building the “Kotroceni Park” in Bucharest, which upon its completion will become the largest mall in Romania.

AFI Asia Pacific: Active in real estate in the Philippines since 2005

Assets in Israel: The company owns hundreds of thousands of sq.m. of income-producing properties, five shopping malls, three science and industrial parks and office towers.

Africa Israel Residences: Operating in Israel under the highly prestigious “Savionim” brand name, Africa Israel develops entire neighborhoods including shopping centers, schools, green areas, cultural and sports facilities. The company has been ranked as the best and most reliable residential company in the country.

Construction & Infrastructures:

Danya Cebus: The company is the construction and infrastructures arm of Africa Israel, trading on the TASE Danya Cebus leads most of Israel’s major infrastructure projects and is active in Russia and Romania.

BOT & PFI Projects: Africa Israel owns 37.5% of the company operating the Trans-Israel Highway, Israel’s first toll road. Other BOT and PFI activities include Highway 431, Israel’s first private penitentiary, student dormitories at the Hebrew University and the Tel Aviv Light Railway.

Energy:

Alon Group: Consists of Alon Oil, Israel’s largest international energy group; Alon USA which operates the “Big Spring” refinery, 1,700 FINA gas stations in several states, terminals, more than 1,850 miles of oil pipelines, asphalt factories and more than 170 7-Eleven convenience stores.
Dor Energy: A national network of gas stations and Super Alonit convenience stores in Israel, controlling also Blue Square, Israel’s second largest supermarket chain.

AFI Industries:
Africa Israel holds a major interest in AFI Industries (formerly Packer Plada), Israel’s largest steel company and Negev Ceramics, the country’s leading company in design and manufacture of building and interior design ceramic products. AFI Industries is also active in Russia and intends to expand its activities to additional countries.

Other Activities:

Tourism & Leisure: Africa Israel Hotels holds the Crowne Plaza and Holiday Inn franchise in Israel, operates 10 hotels in Israel (2,250 rooms) a Spa Hotel in Kislovodsk, Russia (400 rooms), a hotel in Germany and 3 hotels in Bucharest, Romania and is expanding its operations in Europe. It also holds and operates an amusement park in Eilat, Israel

AFI Brands: The company’s fashion Brands include Gottex, Gideon Oberson, Christina (Canada) and other beachwear international brands, and the Zara and Pull & Bear franchises in Israel.

Communications & Media: The company has a controlling stake in Tadiran Telecom which develops telecom solutions and in “Israel Plus” – Channel 9, a TV station serving Russian speakers.

Asset Management: Africa Israel Investment House is engaged in management of financial assets and funds, underwriting and other financial services rendered to leading entities and private individuals.

SOURCE:
p://www.afigroup-global.com/afigroup_company_profile.htm"]http://www.afigroup-global.com/afigroup_company_profile.htm[/URL]

This is just one of many Israeli investment companies. Boycotting any product will only result in more sales from another company owned by Israeli investors. The major business of Israeli is controlling world businesses, not any product manufacturing. You can not find any internationally sold product that is not at some point profitable to an Israeli Investment company.

Israel does not depend on manufacturing, it depends on the success of any non-Israeli Business world wide. Buy the material to build a katusa rocket to shoot at Israelis and the buying will profit Israel. Many of the weapons owned by anti-Israel companies are bought from companies owned by Israeli investors.

We can not boycott Israel. It simply is not possible. But we can, as mentioned by another poster, be certain to buy from Muslim companies whenever possible. At least that will assist some of our Brothers and sisters, even though Israel will still benefit from the sale.

 

[Dagless]

I will simply just go back to one of my earlier comments:

I ask for anybody to name a single internationaly sold product, that does not financially benefit Israel.

As has been already mentioned it is not so much that it benefits them but to the degree they are benefited.

Very few Israeli made products are sold outside of Israel. Many if not most Israeli products are made in the West Bank or Gaza and made by Palestinians.

Doesn't the list you posted directly contradict this statement?

We can boycott every Israeli made product to the point that they can not be sold and it will have zero impact on the Israeli economy.

This is just plain wrong. If Israeli products and services cannot be sold, it will be hurt. You cannot compare aid or investment with goods. The money from aid goes in very few pockets and is spent for defence etc. The average man will see very little of it. If goods (technology, agriculture, diamonds, whatever) are boycotted, demand will be less, the need for workers will be less, therefore unemployment will grow.
Even if you do not agree with the above statement, boycotting will still hurt Israel by lowering the money going into Israel from its supporters (they will have less money to give if they are making less money), and most importantly it will raise awareness.
The boycotting will grow and grow as more people learn about it. By sitting back and saying "oh well its not going to make any difference anyway" you're indirectly advocating what's happening. Even if Israel lose £1k, that will still be £1k worth of bullets not used.

The top 10 Israeli exports:

1. Gem diamonds … US$9.5 billion – up 10.5% from 2006 (45.6% of Israel-to-U.S. exports)
2. Dental, medical and pharmaceutical preparations … $2.7 billion – up 3.5% (12.9%)
3. Telecommunications equipment … $746.8 million – up 17.6% (3.6%)
4. Complete civilian aircraft … $685.9 million – up 41.6% (3.3%)
5. Other hospital, medical and scientific equipment … $655 million – up 12.6% (3.1%)
6. Electric apparatus and parts … $385.6 billion – up 11.3% (1.9%) appears to be an error, I am quite certain that should be million not billion
7. Civilian aircraft engines … $370.5 million – up 52.6% (1.8%)
8. Measuring, testing and control instruments … $337.1 million – down 9.8% (1.6%)
9. Other military equipment … $271.3 million – up 223.2% (1.3%)
10. Computer accessories, peripherals and parts … $254.6 billion – up 36.5% (1.2%). appears to be an error, I am quite certain that should be million not billion

SOURCE:http://import-export.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_israeli_imports_exports

With the exception of 4, 7, and 9 everything else can be boycotted by most people. From the figures you've shown it should cause major impact.
You also cannot quote the source but then say the figures are wrong when it goes against your argument

The majority of Israel income comes from worldwide business investments.

It doesn't matter, the point is to decrease income and raise awareness. It is a statement.

It's a personal choice and not everyone will agree with it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Woodrow]

As has been already mentioned it is not so much that it benefits them but to the degree they are benefited.



Doesn't the list you posted directly contradict this statement?



This is just plain wrong. If Israeli products and services cannot be sold, it will be hurt. You cannot compare aid or investment with goods. The money from aid goes in very few pockets and is spent for defence etc. The average man will see very little of it. If goods (technology, agriculture, diamonds, whatever) are boycotted, demand will be less, the need for workers will be less, therefore unemployment will grow.
Even if you do not agree with the above statement, boycotting will still hurt Israel by lowering the money going into Israel from its supporters (they will have less money to give if they are making less money), and most importantly it will raise awareness.
The boycotting will grow and grow as more people learn about it. By sitting back and saying "oh well its not going to make any difference anyway" you're indirectly advocating what's happening. Even if Israel lose £1k, that will still be £1k worth of bullets not used.




With the exception of 4, 7, and 9 everything else can be boycotted by most people. From the figures you've shown it should cause major impact.
You also cannot quote the source but then say the figures are wrong when it goes against your argument



It doesn't matter, the point is to decrease income and raise awareness. It is a statement.

It's a personal choice and not everyone will agree with it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

If you look back at the post by Dagless you will notice he mentioned Israel has a budget of about 185 Billion. The 10 industries I mentioned have a total income of less than 15 billion less than 10% of Israels income. Production and products are not the source of financial support for Israel, it is investment in other countries and as Brother Dagless mentioned:

The answer is no,if we look at the state of Israel it is very poor in natural resources it has no means to support itself yet this country the size of scotland has an economy of $185 billion, how?Through various deals with Britain, America the West who were the masterminds behind the creation of the illegal zionist state Israel.

Israel does not depend on income from the the production of any product, they depend on the economy of other nations.The only way I see possible to boycott Israel is to stop the international sales of all products and each country survive only upon what it produces within it's own borders. If any product is sold internationally, Israel will benefit. However the world has become so intertwined, I doubt if any country today is capable of surviving only on the products produced within it's own borders.

 

[Lynx]

i agree with woodrow. boycotting products i doubt will make much of a difference to israel and the occupation of palestinian land. i mean the statement being made is noble but i think the only real way to make a difference is political pressure. in reality israel is so backed up by the U.S simply because there are a lot of pro-israel influences in the government. if critics of israel can manage to become as influential, THEN differences can be made.

 

[Dagless]

and as Brother Dagless mentioned:

I think someone else said that.

However the world has become so intertwined, I doubt if any country today is capable of surviving only on the products produced within it's own borders.

I believe this in relation to the US.

As I said; time will tell. By hurting countries which support Israel and raising awareness (which is already happening in Europe) there can only be benefit (imo).

 

[Woodrow]

I think someone else said that.



I believe this in relation to the US.

As I said; time will tell. By hurting countries which support Israel and raising awareness (which is already happening in Europe) there can only be benefit (imo).

It probably was somebody else I tried to quote from. I apologize for getting names mixed up.


Just my opinion, I do see boycotts hurting countries that support Israel, but I doubt that will cause even a small hardship to Israel. It is fine to boycott the countries you or anybody has an issue with. But, I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that is going to hurt Israel.

The solution I see is for the USA and the UK to admit they made a grave error by stealing the land and thinking that could become a stable nation. Already many here in the US are very tired of our government spending our money to feed a sick puppy that needs to be put to sleep. We need to concentrate on what is happening here in the USA. A very large portion of our population is living in inadequate housing, without proper schooling or medical care. Not just the native Americans who are pushed onto hell holes called reservations but also many non-white people who are kept from jobs and live in inner city ghettos. Many if not most Americans are very poor and live in poverty. We need help and do not appreciate money being wasted to support Zionism.

 

[marwen]

i think the only real way to make a difference is political pressure.

That's a good point, but who can do political pressure ?

1) ordinary people ? => no they can't do it directly.
2) our governments/Presidents ? => they are puppets, dude ! They can't decide what to eat for lunch before asking the US.
3) ordinary people inciting local presidents to talk with Israel ? => tried but didn't work.​

We need a low-level action : ie. an action feasible by ordinary citizens, as our governments are not really representing us. Boycott is a possible solution.

Yes I know some people just can't do it : for example, muslims living in Israel or in Denmark, they can't boycott these countries products, they'll die. That's appliable at an extent to people living in Europe or in USA. But for independent muslim countries, they can do it. There are local substitute products at least for the vital products, we won't die if we do the boycott.

 

[Woodrow]

One of my pet peeves. Probably the pet peeve of many Americans. Why the tarnation are we sending money to Israel? Much of American is in greater need. A boycott is not needed, what is needed is for our wasichu government in far away Washington DC to see Americans need the money that is being wasted on feeding Israel. The average Israeli is much more wealthy than many Americans. The avererage individual income in Israel is:

$17,046

SOURCE


The average income in North Dakota Is:

$17,769

This decreases rapidly in the towns that are predominantly Native American.

# Loraine city, North Dakota $7,810
# Four Bears Village CDP, North Dakota $7,681
# Ardoch city, North Dakota $7,306
# Larson city, North Dakota $7,263
# Haynes city, North Dakota $6,633
# White Shield CDP, North Dakota $6,603
# Kief city, North Dakota $6,467
# Mandaree CDP, North Dakota $6,179
# Cannon Ball CDP, North Dakota $5,717
# Rawson city, North Dakota $5,467
# Balfour city, North Dakota $5,408
# Fort Totten CDP, North Dakota $5,165
# Shell Valley CDP, North Dakota $4,948
# Calio city, North Dakota $3,711
# East Dunseith CDP, North Dakota $3,026
# Hove Mobile Park city, North Dakota $0

SOURCE


Americans need to wake up and see the need to take care of our own, before wasting taxpayer money on Israel

 

[FS123]

Well said!

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[Lynx]

That's a good point, but who can do political pressure ?

1) ordinary people ? => no they can't do it directly.
2) our governments/Presidents ? => they are puppets, dude ! They can't decide what to eat for lunch before asking the US.
3) ordinary people inciting local presidents to talk with Israel ? => tried but didn't work.​

We need a low-level action : ie. an action feasible by ordinary citizens, as our governments are not really representing us. Boycott is a possible solution.

Yes I know some people just can't do it : for example, muslims living in Israel or in Denmark, they can't boycott these countries products, they'll die. That's appliable at an extent to people living in Europe or in USA. But for independent muslim countries, they can do it. There are local substitute products at least for the vital products, we won't die if we do the boycott.

Well I don't know how you can do it. I am certain the boycott strategy will never gain enough support to actually make a difference because there's too much to boycot so people see it as an impractical solution. The point is this: Pro-Israeli people are able to influence government and so there should be some sort of counter-influence. If the masses could unite and voice their opinion then this might be possible. Increasing awareness is a huge step to this goal.


also, even if you cut some of the funding Israel gets it won't stop them from persecuting palestinians because israel is can fund itself it wnated to continue militar yoperations. they might be slowed down but they have a centuries worth of a head start. moreover, they still get funding from the american government directly which can't be boycotted. israel needs to be told by the international community not to do these things and the biggest force that stops the international community from actually doing anything to israel when they abuse human rights is the USA so if the USA could shake loose the influence of pro israel people then maybe something can be done.

 

[Lynx]

One of my pet peeves. Probably the pet peeve of many Americans. Why the tarnation are we sending money to Israel? Much of American is in greater need. A boycott is not needed, what is needed is for our wasichu government in far away Washington DC to see Americans need the money that is being wasted on feeding Israel. The average Israeli is much more wealthy than many Americans. The avererage individual income in Israel is:

$17,046

SOURCE


The average income in North Dakota Is:

$17,769

This decreases rapidly in the towns that are predominantly Native American.

# Loraine city, North Dakota $7,810
# Four Bears Village CDP, North Dakota $7,681
# Ardoch city, North Dakota $7,306
# Larson city, North Dakota $7,263
# Haynes city, North Dakota $6,633
# White Shield CDP, North Dakota $6,603
# Kief city, North Dakota $6,467
# Mandaree CDP, North Dakota $6,179
# Cannon Ball CDP, North Dakota $5,717
# Rawson city, North Dakota $5,467
# Balfour city, North Dakota $5,408
# Fort Totten CDP, North Dakota $5,165
# Shell Valley CDP, North Dakota $4,948
# Calio city, North Dakota $3,711
# East Dunseith CDP, North Dakota $3,026
# Hove Mobile Park city, North Dakota $0

SOURCE


Americans need to wake up and see the need to take care of our own, before wasting taxpayer money on Israel

politicians are too dependent on the funding from pro-israeli groups in their elections.