The existence of God

Likewise, if somebody originally claims that something doesn't exist, should they not provide proof?
 
Osman said:
Likewise, if somebody originally claims that something doesn't exist, should they not provide proof?
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No. Theists proclaim a god exists so it's up to them to provide proof. Atheists counter by saying that since there is no evidence for its existence, we shouldn't automatically believe it to exist.
 
^ if atheists cant accept the beginning of time or existence of anything itself as an evidence then what can they accept?


Can time begin without a creator?
 
Tornado said:
No. Theists proclaim a god exists so it's up to them to provide proof. Atheists counter by saying that since there is no evidence for its existence, we shouldn't automatically believe it to exist.
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So automatically u has to believe everything coming from nothing.
So what kind of proof u want to provide that everything coming from nothing.
Can u give single evidence from entire knowledge of the world and its history that someone find something which is coming from nothing?
No u can't.
So from ur theory its clearly proved u r wrong.

From the beginning to now human only have knowledge to assemble component from the nature and shape a material thing.
It is a very poor understanding to believe using human brain and proof everything and then believe.

Quran revealed more than 1400 hundred yrs ago. There are so many things Quran says. One of them Sun, Moon and Earth are moving. And Human found few yrs ago that sun is also moving. Quran never failed us.

Quran is still unchanged, was more than 1400 yrs old, Author is Muhammad (accroding to u) who is an illiterate man. So try to prove Quran is wrong.
It is so easy to prove us wrong. Isn’t it? :)

U can’t prove it wrong. It does not matter how hard u try. Quran also challenge this.

Note: Try something which u can capable of. Try not something which is beyond ur capabilities. Such as try to have a direct evidence of the existence of GOD.
 
^ i agree they are blind to it but i would say its due to prejudice against it.


Just thinking about the beginning of everything should lead to a belief of God really. If we know that close enough to everything in life has a manufacturer then we should also accept that the universe and this world has a manufacturer.

why be so stubborn against a manufacturer of the universe? If people claim that he is sending down messengers and books then that is good for us, why not be open minded and look into the message and really deeply contemplate over the existence of the one who started everything instead of always going "nope nope, not clear enough, i see no angels and i dont see God" <-- honestly think about how this sounds!! you have the books and you've been sent the messengers...
 
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^ I think they do not want to believe that there is a God, because that would mean putting restrictions on the "so called enjoyments" of this dunya, in their eyes; drugs, alcohol, chirpsing girls, clubbing, etc.
 
Maybe everyone should take it steps at a time. So we don't end up skipping over parts.

Those who believe sshould state why they believe.
Those who do not believe should also state why they do not believe.

Those who are neutral can keep quiet for the time being?

Thats what I understand so far.
 
Tornado said:
If a person says that something exists, it's their responsibility to provide proof.
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More accurately, if someone makes a positive claim.
"the sky is blue" it is their responcibility to provide the evidence.
If someone makes a negative claim, "the sky is not blue" it is not their responcibilty to prove the negative. "negatives are difficult to prove."
 
I don't think I believe in God because of any 'proof' that has ever been presented to me.

I believe in God because there was a specific moment in my life, when my eyes were opened; when everything I had ever heard, read and known suddenly fell into place and I knew: God is real!

Once I had that inner conviction of God's existence and presence, everything - every breath, every day, every living thing, every sunrise, every landscape - became living proof of his existence, and it became impossible to imagine life without believing in God ...

I don't think 'proof' alone can convince anybody of God's existence.
It also require an inner willingness to submit, to believe and to change. Without that willingness an unbeliever will always stay an unbeliever ...
 
glo said:
I don't think 'proof' alone can convince anybody of God's existence.
It also require an inner willingness to submit, to believe and to change. Without that willingness an unbeliever will always stay an unbeliever ...
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Well said.:thumbs_up
 
There is no proof that God exists or that God doesn't exist. Be on the safe side, believe in God or be burned in Hell for eternity (that is if God does indeed exist)
 
Nerd said:
There is no proof that God exists or that God doesn't exist. Be on the safe side, believe in God or be burned in Hell for eternity (that is if God does indeed exist)
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you make it sound like one day a man woke up and said "maybe God does exist ?"

it didnt happen like that, God sent messengers recognised by historians (Muhammad existed, Jesus existed, Moses existed! peace be upon them all).

So it isnt a haphazard thought which just randomly occured but has much backing.
 
I do believe that Allah exist. But I do try to be neutral and am not arguing here Serene.

For my part, Adam and Hawwa both as I understand were Muslims (Who believed in Allah). I am not sure, when Human beings stopped believing in Allah and started worshiping idols, fire, cows etc. (now I suppose we have over 100's of gods).

And as you can see, people have turned to science for an answer. As much as I adore science, I got to admit its limited to what it can and cannot answer. Might take a couple of thousand of years before science is close to see the unseen world.

But we all agree that the life of a human being is much less than a 100 years. And its up to that person to weigh the evidence he/she see to believe in God or not. For those who do not believe in God, be prepared to face the consequences in case God does exist.
 
For those who do not believe in God, be prepared to face the consequences in case God does exist.
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And is this just your opinion or a fact that you are stating?
 
Maybe individuals should state what they mean by evidence/proof and so forth. To some a sequence of which seem pretty normal may be proof, to others a supernatural personal experience may be proof, others yet state that taking into consideration everything being almost certain is proof, others still yet claim only testable evidence is proof.

Maybe this is where everyone is diverging.
 
Thing is, Nerd, how would somebody make him/herself believe in God - just in case he does exist?

I can see that somebody might choose to follow a certain religion on that basis ... but believing in God?
Belief comes from within. How can someone just decide to believe something?
Doesn't there have to be some inner conviction first? :?

Can you explain what you mean by 'believing in God to be on the safe side'?

Thanks :)
 

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