The Hypocrisy Of Muslims

[Big Ragu]

The Muslims of the western world expect and demand equality and tolerance from the inhabitants of those countries yet Muslims themselves ruthless oppress minorities in Islamic countries. Infact in countries like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia the worst three there are laws in place to prevent religious freedom.

Perhaps the Muslim community of the Western World should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries that prevent religious minorities there to worship freely as they are in their demand for religious tolerance in the Western World. Why should Muslims in the western world be forced to extend to Muslims the rights and privileges that are denied to Non-Muslims in Muslim countries?

I guess that is the price that the western world pays for being civilized, It would be unfair to hold third world Islamic countries with corrupt leaders, illiterate masses and a lack of national identity to the same moral standards as liberal, democratic states where all citizens are equal.

Why were these Muslims who were protesting in the streets against "the Innocence of Muslims" not protesting in streets against the oppression of non-Muslims in Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, To demand equality in the western world and at the same time deny it to others in the Muslim world is to be either duplicitous or malicious. I ask why this "hypocrisy of Muslims"?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

I agree with all your points...but you see, Muslim countries you mentioned don't openly claim that they are the best places to live in for minorities, they don't yell out and claim that they are the best of democracies, they don't have full blown freedom of speech clause in their constitutions.., etc. But yea, Muslims coming from this Muslim countries should not behave hypocritically..

 

[GuestFellow]

I think some Muslims cannot prioritise. They are more concerned about a silly video than compared to other more serious issues.

As for some western countries, their laws promote religious freedom and human rights. So when they deny these rights to Muslims, they are seen as hypocrites.

So everyone can be a hypocrite. o_o

 

[جوري]

oppress minorities in Islamic countries

Here's a man who converted to Islam in Egypt- The church confiscated his property and taken away his children- I often wonder if you have ever lived in one of those so-called 'Muslim countries' to see just how the minorities are treated?
بعد إسلامه.. مدير "الخانكة" يكشف فظائع داخل الكنائس والأديرة
Saturday 05 January 2013

مفكرة الاسلام: صرح ممدوح حنا وهبة، مدير مستشفى الخانكة في مصر، والذى أشهر إسلامه، بأن هناك ظروفًا اجتماعية ودينية خاصة به دفعته لترك المسيحية واعتناق الإسلام، دون أن يفكر لحظة واحدة فى المصاعب التى ستواجهه، وفى مقدمتها حرمانه من أبنائه، ونبذه من المجتمع المسيحى.
وقال وهبة إنه ذهب للأزهر بإرادته ليشهر إسلامه، ويصبح اسمه أحمد محمد أحمد مصطفى، فيما اعتبرت الكنيسة تصريحاته "افتراءات لا تستحق الرد".
وأضاف: "أنا أبلغ من العمر 63 عاما، ومتزوج ولدىَّ 4 أبناء، وأنا رجل ليبرالى حر، ومع ذلك كنت أتلقى أوامر الكنيسة وأنفذها دون مناقشة، وبمرور الوقت لاحظت أن قيادات الدين المسيحى لا تهتم إلا ببعض الطقوس، غير الواردة بالمرة فى الإنجيل، فسألت نفسى: إلى أين تقودنا تلك الطقوس؟ وإلى متى سيظل تسلط قيادات الكنيسة على الأقباط؟".
وأردف وهبة الذي أصبح اسمه أحمد: "المدنيون داخل الكنائس حولهم شبهات وفساد، وقد فوجئت بمباركة قيادات الكنائس لأفعالهم، حتى الأديرة المنوط بها تقويم سلوك الأقباط، وتعليمهم مبادئ وتقاليد الدين المسيحى انحرفت بصورة كبيرة عن هذا الهدف، وتحولت لمراكز تجارية تربح ملايين الجنيهات شهرياً، ولا نعرف أين تذهب هذه الملايين؟".
واتهم مدير مستشفى الخانكة في مصر شخصيات قبطية معينة داخل مصر بتلقى ملايين الجنيهات من أقباط المهجر مقابل إفشال محاولات درء الفتنة.
وقال وفق صحيفة "الوطن": "الكنائس والأديرة داخلها مجموعات وميليشيات مدربة، أنشأها البابا شنودة -فى البداية- لحفظ النظام داخل الكنائس، ثم تطور الأمر، وأصبحت تستخدم لإرهاب المعارضين من الأقباط، وهى التى اعتدت بالضرب على مجموعة "أقباط 38"، وتستخدم الكلاب الشرسة لتعذيب المعارضين".​

http://www.islammemo.cc/akhbar/arab/2013/01/05/161877.html

They also use rabid dogs the likes they used in Guantanamo on them to torture them!

Here's the amount of stolen property the church has taken in Egypt:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134316701-new-egyptian-pope-taken-questioning-stolen-land.html

the stolen lands are all there in picture and size and compared to such structures as the Vatican and Makkah for far exceeding them.. and this story repeats all over the so-called 'Muslim world'-
In France they take Muslim babies from their mothers by force if they're born poor, this is a story that is relayed to us by Muslims there and not the sort you hear on the news and well their record is already stellar on how they treat Muslims as is.
The list goes on and on.. I am at a loss to your comments really!
Question is where do you get your information & knowledge from?

best,

 

[Signor]

Question is where do you get your information & knowledge from?

A Zillion Dollar Question

I echoed this query,couple of threads with same attitude,whats your source?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Perhaps the Muslim community of the Western World should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries that prevent religious minorities there to worship freely as they are in their demand for religious tolerance in the Western World. Why should Muslims in the western world be forced to extend to Muslims the rights and privileges that are denied to Non-Muslims in Muslim countries?

Because these western countries are not theocracies. If they talk the talk of equality and fairness, they should walk the walk. If a dictatorship, kingdom, or theocracy admits or proclaims itself such, there may be some humanitarian concerns, but there is not such stark hypocracy as when a state like France claims to have equal and fair treatment to all, and then targets a single group without good secular reason.

 

[جوري]

Because these western countries are not theocracies.

I can think of two errors with that statement.
1- is the faulty belief that western societies are 'fair' or not 'hypocritical' when in fact we can put a laundry list of otherwise.(and it isn't exclusive to France)
2- Is the faulty belief and this one in spite of what you possess of knowledge that should have at least been acquired by virtue of the number of years you've been with us on board that there's no such a thing as a theocratic society unless you're speaking of the Vatican but as far as Islamic societies are concerned, whether or not they implement Islamic laws which none of them do that such a law isn't theocratic and I am sure you can superimpose what it is on the definition of the term to validate that observation!

best,

 

[crimsontide06]

There are hypocrites in every nation, religion, culture....everywhere. To call out a particular group is crazy, might as well call out all of man kind.

 

[Pygoscelis]

1- is the faulty belief that western societies are 'fair' or not 'hypocritical'

I said they claim to be fair and equal and are hypocritical when they are not. Theocracies, Kingdoms, and Dictatorships don't make the claim, so we can't accuse them of the same hypocracy.

 

[جوري]

I said they claim to be fair and equal and are hypocritical when they are not. Theocracies, Kingdoms, and Dictatorships don't make the claim, so we can't accuse them of the same hypocracy.

They claim whatever the west has been telling them to claim to stay on the throne hence all the revolts.. Try international news. Indeed they all believe they're just and kind and fair. I resent however linking Islam to western imposed and instated systems be they in the west or overseas.
What bothers me immensely is when folks say enough, we want an Islamic khalifate- all hell breaks loose. Folks get post on American's 'Terrorism list' such as happened recently with a party from the free army in Syria.. Of course Mercenaries from Iran/Russia are already there doing their thing and the U.S and this side of the pond are just hoping they'd burn each other out without them going in to establish another Iraq- Luckily the Iraqis too have awakened now!

 

[جوري]

When the British invaded Egypt, they closed down all the cotton factories, everything had to come from England at the prices they desired using Egypt's raw goods, when the German fleet surrounded Egyptian waters during WWII, of course they reopened those factories again only to serve their own needs. They would pay farmers 3 schillings an egg when its price should be 1/100th of that so that they'd eat and the people starve.
One time school children in Port Said made a plane model and the British Education Minister who was overseeing what the Egyptians should produce or make closed down the school his name was Danlub I believe and fired the principal. I have had grandparents and parents living under these conditions telling us of the benevolence of these so-called 'democratic, just, free' invaders and by the way they haven't changed- they simply don't have to post their sick vile disgusting agenda to you.. we can write volumes on this stuff- which really amuses me as far as threads such as these are concerned.
Probably posted by folks who've never opened a history book in their entire lives and are born on trees for no family is there to guide them!

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Aselam aleykum
I agree with opening post 100%
Unfortunatly, when those of us who do stand up and argue that non-muslims should be treated with respect all the same, most tend not to listen. Sometimes I've even been called traitor, and somebody who loves the kafir more then Muslims. As if a muslim should always take the side of the other muslims, even if they are the oppressors. Apperently this us-vs.-them mentallity is so deeply rooted that the few lone souls rising against it seem to be nothing more than a drop of water on a searing hot plate.

 

[جوري]

Who created the us vs. them mentality?
Maybe name calling isn't the best method to go about describing how some feel about your personal convictions but that is basically what those convictions are Watched on the news, ingrained in the mind from people who have already grown in a particular culture, opinions become formed by active creation without any basis in reality!

Traveling might be good for more than just the soul to some of the members here!

best,

 

[Abz2000]

Lol same in bd, they even bombed textile factories and mills,
Then they posted corrupt sellouts as "government" who would collect land taxes etc for them and corruption hasbeen the status quo since, amazing how every country they invade upto this day breaks it's record and reaches to within top 20 on the corruption index.

And btw, Islam is what it is, it doesn't pretend to support idolatry along with every mish mash and slyly try to cut anything it doesn't agree with at the roots, it is clear and available for everyone to study, while with the so called civilized - actually degenerating - west, the whole system is based on deceit, they'll tell lie after lie and then chop and change politicians when one totally loses credibility, they'll pretend to give people freedom of speech while actually collecting databases and using provacateurs to infiltrate and cause chaos which they'll use to gain public opinion, and use the media as a tool for controlling the minds of the masses, they'll also give them the option to "vote" and even encourage it, (despite the fact they'll break every promise they make of importance) because they know that freedom of speech or the freedom to "vote" aren't very scary when they've taken away people's ability and freedom to think for themselves.
How do you think such a small country controlled almost half the world?
As they say: not by strength, by guile.
Only people who have fallen into their harrassment campaigns know that freedom of speech is a sort of legal term, but definitely not a complete reality on the ground.

I remember the words of the pigs who arrested babar Ahmed for running a mujahideen website which actually interviewed people from the field and gave info and facts that were alternative to what the western media (who usually get their war news from the governments' propaganda briefings) presented.
They kicked and punched him till he was bleeding from the urine, ears and nose, then put him in the position of prostration and said: where is your god now?
When they found he hadn't done anything illegal, they had to let him go, and when he made them pay compensation, they use a flimsy "u.s server hosting" excuse to exact revenge.
It seems he wasn't a "terrorist" when he was actually on the field and supporting the Chechen rebel fighters, but was a "terrorist" when he was running a news website giving the public actual footage from the ground, and full translations of full statements (usually cropped, warped and hideously taken out of context by the mass media). Was it because the u.s and british governments had fulfilled their purpose of neutralising Russia before they began their conquest, but once they invaded afghanistan, he suddenly became a "threat".
Hmmm maybe freedom of speech means fighting against and shooting and writing against and exposing war crimes of Russian soldiers, but freedom of speech doesn't mean exposing war crimes of u.s and british soldiers and governments.

Lol talk about the right to be conscious and informed before you vote!

 

['Abd-al Latif]

The Muslims of the western world expect and demand equality and tolerance from the inhabitants of those countries yet Muslims themselves ruthless oppress minorities in Islamic countries. Infact in countries like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia the worst three there are laws in place to prevent religious freedom.

Perhaps the Muslim community of the Western World should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries that prevent religious minorities there to worship freely as they are in their demand for religious tolerance in the Western World. Why should Muslims in the western world be forced to extend to Muslims the rights and privileges that are denied to Non-Muslims in Muslim countries?

I guess that is the price that the western world pays for being civilized, It would be unfair to hold third world Islamic countries with corrupt leaders, illiterate masses and a lack of national identity to the same moral standards as liberal, democratic states where all citizens are equal.

Why were these Muslims who were protesting in the streets against "the Innocence of Muslims" not protesting in streets against the oppression of non-Muslims in Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, To demand equality in the western world and at the same time deny it to others in the Muslim world is to be either duplicitous or malicious. I ask why this "hypocrisy of Muslims"?

According to who? The western media that hardly gives Muslims any positive time in the spotlight or have you actually lived in a Muslim country to be so certain of this?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Who created the us vs. them mentality?

Them? LOL

Seriously though, the Us vs Them mentality, tribalism, that thing you oh so hate me talking about here, is a basic tendency of human nature. It is the result of millions of years of evolution, or God's design, take your pick. It can be found on all "sides" of all issues and we should be ever watchful for it happening in ourselves. It isn't something that was "created" by one "side" or the other.

 

[Abz2000]

Ironic title
Bear in mind that in the Islamic context, Munafiq refers to one who pretends to be Muslim in public while harbouring hatred and enmity towards God and His Messenger.

Amusing how one personality made the thread and some similar personalities immediately chimed in......


وَيُعَذِّبَ المُنٰفِقينَ وَالمُنٰفِقٰتِ وَالمُشرِكينَ وَالمُشرِكٰتِ الظّانّينَ بِاللَّهِ ظَنَّ السَّوءِ ۚ عَلَيهِم دائِرَةُ السَّوءِ ۖ وَغَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيهِم وَلَعَنَهُم وَأَعَدَّ لَهُم جَهَنَّمَ ۖ وَساءَت مَصيرًا


And that He may punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Pagans men and women, who imagine an evil opinion of Allah.
On them is a round of Evil: the Wrath of Allah is on them: He has cursed them and got Hell ready for them: and evil is it for a destination.
Quran 48:6



أَلَم تَرَ إِلَى الَّذينَ أوتوا نَصيبًا مِنَ الكِتٰبِ يُؤمِنونَ بِالجِبتِ وَالطّٰغوتِ وَيَقولونَ لِلَّذينَ كَفَروا هٰؤُلاءِ أَهدىٰ مِنَ الَّذينَ ءامَنوا سَبيلًا

Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were given a portion of the Book?
they believe in sorcery and Evil, and say to the Disbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way Than the believers!

أُولٰئِكَ الَّذينَ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَمَن يَلعَنِ اللَّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ نَصيرًا

They are (men) whom Allah hath cursed: And those whom Allah Hath cursed, thou wilt find, have no one to help.

Quran - chapter 4: verses 51-52

 

[جوري]

Them? LOL

I don't assume that allegation to be true to draw any conclusion thereof. Let's only deal with the facts, the facts are barbarians are labeling others Barbarian because they differ from them (in their brand of tribalism) I wouldn't want to disappoint you, and because those original plundering Barbarians desire to rape and ravage entire lands grabbing as much booty while causing as much psychological damage in the process as the defense minister stated: the 'enemy' has to be compelled in such a way that when they wake up, they wake up dead!

best,

 

[Urban Turban]

There needs to be a button like the 'like button which says 'Inna lillah wa inaa ilayhi wa rajioon' - because honestly the first post deserves it.

 

[جوري]

the first post deserves it

The first post doesn't deserve your first glance- it is wrought with erroneous allegations, faulty presumptions and charged with inflammatory words meant to elicit your reaction in a negative fashion, to defend or react is to dignify it:

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)[3:186] [RECITE]

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Latublawunna fee amwalikum waanfusikum walatasmaAAunna mina allatheena ootoo alkitaba min qablikum wamina allatheena ashrakoo athan katheeran wain tasbiroo watattaqoo fainna thalika min AAazmi alomoori​

3:186 Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs.

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