The New American Century

[جوري]

No but if you hate us english people so much stop frequenting places with so many english and american folk.

This is one of the most unseasoned replies that's usually peddled by folks of a certain intellect to like minded individuals. It is almost insulting to read, it has no substance or meaning whatsoever. On the lowest common denominator get all your troops out of every sovereign nation and then come and discuss this desire of yours.. Further holding an American nationality doesn't actually make you one of and I see that every day with Muslim Americans who are treated like crap.. and if such is the case. Br. Mustapha is as anglosaxon as they get generations back..

I didn't want to dwell on it before but I'll say it again, if you don't care for the affairs of Muslims, you're simply not one of them..

best,

 

[جوري]

Do you trust this govt.?
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/the-flying-bin-ladens.html

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

I understand that.
However, voters can vote off politicians if they found them not delivering on their promise or lie to them or didn't get the results people wanted.
Fact: Bush got re-elected in 2004 even after it was clear that he invaded Iraq on lies and even after thousands and thousands of innocent afghanistan and iraqis were killed by the troops or by others who they gave support to.
The republicans and their president candidate lost big time in 2008 not because of iraq and Afghanistan, but because of the economic meltdown and financial crises.

As of now, there is no sign when USA will ever totally withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama has made promises pre election, and did he keep those promises? no.
He is making new promises, and do people actually believe him? (and there is more than good chance obama will get re-elected)
Do most americans care? nuh uh. As long as they can pay their mortagages and stuff their houses with so many useless things they can find in wal mart, they are not too concerned with politics, let alone foreign affairs, even if their country is wreaking havoc in other parts of the world.
This shows again that most americans do not care about the those innocent lives killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during invasion and occupation.
There were probably more americans concerned about getting the latest info about kim kardashian wedding than about civilians lives getting killed in iraq and afghanistan.



last time I heard uncle sam wants the world to be as "democratic" as they are.



So we agree that most americans don't give a d amn (regardless of motive).



I find it baffling and ironic how you give clear enemies of Islam (who support Israel that killed palestinians, invaded and occupied two muslim countries and killed directly and indirectly a million muslims in the process) the benefit of a doubt (and got upset when someone called most americans don't give a d amn) but are pretty confident that a whole muslims nation (saudia) don't give a d amn about fellow muslims.

When a whole nation sit back and watch their government sell their oil to nations (that also includes Israel) who are involved in wars against their own brother and sisters, then I can safely assume they don’t give a s****.
Do you think USA can still be equally 'powerful' if Saudi turns around and says no?

Just like most people in here can safely assume most Americans don’t give an s****.

And you need to learn to read my comment carefully. I said IF we can so easily assume MOST Americans don’t give an s**** then we can equally assume Saudi don’t give an s****.

I mean how did Saudi get so rich so easily? American big houses, shopping mall = Saudi big houses and shopping mall all are from blood money. The Saudi even supports NATO actions in Libya.

P.S. I don’t know if Most Saudis care but I can easily assume so. I choose not to. And I was never upset, so anyone who disagree with anyone here is upset? :?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

This is one of the most unseasoned replies that's usually peddled by folks of a certain intellect to like minded individuals. It is almost insulting to read, it has no substance or meaning whatsoever. On the lowest common denominator get all your troops out of every sovereign nation and then come and discuss this desire of yours.. Further holding an American nationality doesn't actually make you one of and I see that every day with Muslim Americans who are treated like crap.. and if such is the case. Br. Mustapha is as anglosaxon as they get generations back.. I don't like ganging up on someone on a forum but in your case you're almost begging for it.

I didn't want to dwell on it before but I'll say it again, if you don't care for the affairs of Muslims, you're simply not one of them..

best,

She only started practising recently. So her sense of American nationality is still strong or present... Just give her a chance to grow.

 

[جوري]

She only started practising recently. So her sense of American nationality is still strong or present... Just give her a chance to grow.

Ok sis, but national pride isn't an Islamic trait it is a tribal pre-Islamic abomination .. One should stand for justice and truth even if it be against oneself as is so written on the prophet's sword.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Ok sis, but national pride isn't an Islamic trait it is a tribal pre-Islamic abomination .. One should stand for justice and truth even if it be against oneself as is so written on the prophet's sword.

I know but it is hard to shake off when you have been brought up in society that makes you think like that. imsad

 

[Who Am I?]

I too struggle with reconciling my past with my present. I too am at a crossroads. I too am caught between the East and the West. On the outside, I am all American. On the outside I am a typical working-class white dude struggling to pay bills and make ends meet. On the outside I worry about my finances just like most other Americans.

On the inside, I am in turmoil. My past is fading, and my present is a confused jumble of thoughts and emotions as I struggle to come to terms with my new faith and new way of life. On the inside I am a confused Westerner with Eastern ideals.

Give some of us the benefit of a doubt, yeah?

 

[Abz2000]

this should give you an example of how much they "care" or what they care about, i'm not generalising all Americans - coz it happens all around the world, but you must admit that the american, israeli and british people are among the most misinformed of true facts on the ground due to the copious amounts of tv and mainstream news they consume (yes - i am british - and no i don't watch tv anymore unless i'm visiting at a friends or relatives, even then i try to numb my mind as the anchor speaks). even among the most educated, we see the same frame of thought you see on the tv. then again - orwell predicted it, and so did the "learned elders".

please watch the clips before you comment

3. In order to distract people who may be too troublesome from discussions of questions of the political we are now putting forward what we allege to be new questions of the political, namely, questions of industry. In this sphere let them discuss themselves silly! The masses are agreed to remain inactive, to take a rest from what they suppose to be political (which we trained them to in order to use them as a means of combating the GOY governments) only on condition of being found new employments, in which we are prescribing them something that looks like the same political object. In order that the masses themselves may not guess what they are about WE FURTHER DISTRACT THEM WITH AMUSEMENTS, GAMES, PASTIMES, PASSIONS, PEOPLE'S PALACES .... SOON WE SHALL BEGIN THROUGH THE PRESS TO PROPOSE COMPETITIONS IN ART, IN SPORT IN ALL KINDS: these interests will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them. Growing more and more unaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought ... of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us.

written over one hundred years ago - before the olympics went mainstream

 

[MustafaMc]

Further holding an American nationality doesn't actually make you one of and I see that every day with Muslim Americans who are treated like crap.. and if such is the case. Br. Mustapha is as anglosaxon as they get generations back..

Yes, you are correct. I am an American of Scottish descent and I don't know how I could have any more 'AngloSaxon' blood running through my veins. Yet I hold this as nothing to be either proud or ashamed of. I am proud to be a Muslim and I feel blessed and privileged to have been guided to Islam. When I made hajj last year, I felt completely accepted there despite the fact that I saw exceedingly few brothers with skin as freckled and fair as mine.

One should stand for justice and truth even if it be against oneself as is so written on the prophet's sword.

Again, ukhti, you are exactly correct.

 

[MustafaMc]

On the inside, I am in turmoil. My past is fading, and my present is a confused jumble of thoughts and emotions as I struggle to come to terms with my new faith and new way of life. On the inside I am a confused Westerner with Eastern ideals.

Give some of us the benefit of a doubt, yeah?

I can relate to where you are today as I was there in the early 80's. It is a major adjustment to becoming a Muslim. Please, don't get discouraged like I did and stop practicing for 15 years.

 

[MustafaMc]

No but if you hate us english people so much stop frequenting places with so many english and american folk.

I don't hate 'us english people'. As I have already said, I am an American of Scottish (sorry not English) descent who converted to Islam.

if you feel so strongly then why dont you come over here (iraq) and hold a pretty little sign in protest.

I take it that you are an American soldier/warrior on a tour of duty in Iraq. If so, I hope you return safely to USA as soon as possible. I am sorry if I had offended you as I hadn't considered the possibility that a Muslim would join the US Army. Perhaps you could enlighten me with your reasons for doing so.

 

[Grofica]

She only started practicing recently. So her sense of American nationality is still strong or present... Just give her a chance to grow.

Why does being Muslim mean that you can not love your country? Muslim does not mean anti-American. It is possible to love god and country...

I take it that you are an American soldier/warrior on a tour of duty in Iraq.

I have been in Iraq since 2004 until today. (Well with a short break when I had to go home for surgery... (health related not due to any "outside" source)

If so, I hope you return safely to USA as soon as possible. I am sorry if I had offended you as I hadn't considered the possibility that a Muslim would join the US Army. Perhaps you could enlighten me with your reasons for doing so.

You do realize there are LOTS of Muslims in the military right? According to the defense department somewhere in between 10,000 – 20,000 Muslims are in the service (between Army, Airforce, Marines, Navy, etc)

In the United States, Islam is the fastest growing religion, a trend fueled mostly by immigration. There are 5 million to 7 million Muslims in the United States. They make up between 10,000 and 20,000 members of the American military.

Read more: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44689

One of the people who had the biggest influence on my life was a Muslim Chaplin. I hit a really rough patch and without getting into the gory details in a way I believe he saved me. It was the first time in my entire life that anyone ever really listened to what I had to say. And he actually gave me my first Koran. It wasn’t until years later that I actually converted but he did have a huge impact on my life.

I am sorry but I can’t get over how most of you confuse religion with country...

An interesting quote for your review:

All of the Muslim service members said they would have no problem going to war against terrorism. "This isn't about Islam," Bakkar-Poe said. "It's about terrorism."

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslims_in_the_military/0013612

And your confusing Muslim with always right…. A quote by Mohammed Ali:

"When Mohammed Ali, the boxing champ, visited the attack site at the World Trade Center, a reporter asked him, 'How do you feel about the suspected hijackers sharing your faith?'" Yee noted. Ali answered, "How do you feel about Hitler sharing yours?"

The point, said Yee, is that while a person can be of a certain faith, his or her actions don't always fall within the teachings of that faith.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/artic...are-as-loyal-as-any-1069394.php#ixzz1Xpx6gfDy

With so much hostility it's not hard to see why so many people are afraid... what happened to showing people kindness and love and leading them to the truth through love????? This actually makes me more sad then anything...

 

[Abz2000]

Terrorism? It's the us and british governments that are promoting terrorism all over the planet, it was they that created alqaeda to fight the soviets, it is they that have held on to assets in alqaeda and have just installed an alqaeda man in Libya, it is the us government who are responsible for the biggest acts of terrorism on this planet - research Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the definition of : terrorism.

Being patriotic doesnt mean believing lying politicians blindly,
You knew that Iraq was a lie and that war was illegal from get go,
How can one be so naive as to think they're there for a good cause?
It's like someone saying they were attacking medina as allies of quraish in order to fight terrorism, doesn't hold, the quraish were the terrorists who murdered people just for saying there's one God, the first martyr was a woman named sumayyah who was killed in an unspeakable way,
How could one be a member of the SS and convince themselves they were only there to fight terrorist elements?
No offence meant, but I feel a responsibility to remind despite my own shortcomings,
Peace

 

[Grofica]

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Terrorism? It's he us and british governments that are promoting terrorism all over the planet, it was they that created alqaeda to fight the soviets, it is they that have held on to assets in alqaeda and have just installed an alqaeda man in Libya, it is the us government who are responsible for the biggest acts of terrorism on this planet - research Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the definition of : terrorism.

Being patriotic doesnt mean believing lying politicians blindly,
You knew that Iraq was a lie and that war was illegal from get go,
Bow can yu be so naive as to think you're there for a good cause?
No offence meant,
Peace

1. i NEVER said i beleived the politicians and if you ever read any of my profiles (except for maybe this one becaues they dont allow non-english and i will try to translate...... it says all politicians are sheysters... like not lier or theif but some combination of the two)

2. You are right I am so naive. Sadam was a fabulous leader who loved all his people and gave them lots of food and treated them so well. and we do mistreat all the locals thats why the kids faces light up when they get toys and come to spend time with us. and the mothers that hug us (im female) and say thank you they were better off before. the tears in their eyes and thank yous are pointless and meaningless. so the good that gets done here is stupid and pointless and all the people who get vacinations and medicine we should stop right?

while i am at it maybe I should try to start a rally so those of us who strive to be the best we can and to make a difference in our own little ways... maybe i can convince them that since so many people hate us and spit on us that maybe we should all just go jump off a cliff. and the sad part is, its the people at home... our friends, our family, our brothers, our sisters, the other members of our faith that are supposed to uplift us and give us courage to continue... you are right. no one should try to achieve anything... because its not a good cause. screw the mothers and their children and the smiles and laughter and tears of joy and hugs. because its not a good cause...

but before i start a ralley to try to convince all the people with some hope for the world they should stop... you want to know why you never hear about that? not in the news not in the papers... because it doesnt sell. news is there to make money not report anything accuratly...

im done... im through... i am actually sick to my stomach. the lack of compassion in here is staggering. you care only for yourselves and nothing for those around you. thank you for being so loving and understanding i am sure you will win many friends and loved ones with your devotion to kindness.

 

[جوري]

How much do they pay you to write this emotive drivel?

 

[Ramadhan]

Why does being Muslim mean that you can not love your country? Muslim does not mean anti-American. It is possible to love god and country...

It is related by Abu Musa Ash’ari (ra) that The Messenger of Allah said "The connection between Muslims is like that of a strong building - one part strengthens another." The Prophet then showed this by interlocking the fingers of one hand with those of the other (that Muslims should remain united and combined - thereby strengthening one another).

As related by Huthaifah (ra) the Prophet said: "Whoever does not take an interest in the affairs and problems of the Muslims, he is not of them. And whoever’s state is such that, each morning and evening, he is not loyal and earnest to Allah, his Apostle, His Book, the Islamic ruler and towards the Muslims, as a whole, he is not of them."

"And hold fast to the covenant of God, all together, and remember the favour of God upon you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favour you became brethren, and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it; thus does God make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way" (Q3:3).

”The most loved person by Allah Almighty on the Day of Judgment and nearest to Him is a just ruler. And the most hated person by Allah Almighty on the Day of Judgment and farthest from Him is an unjust ruler.” (Tirmizi)

“If a Muslim loves his Muslim brother, he should inform him.” (Tirmizi)

Allah would say on the Day of Judgment: “Where are those who love each other for the sake of My glory? Today I will shelter them with My shade, as there is no shade today except My shade”.” (Muslim)

”None of you will truly believe until you love for your brother (in Islam) what you love for yourself”. (Al-Bukhari)

Anas (ra) reports that Rasulullah (s) once said: "I swear by the Holy Being in whose power my life is, any one of you cannot be a true believer unless he desires for his fellow-brother what he desires for himself."

When giving commands regarding the Islamic Brotherhood, the Qur’an uses a beautiful style with a profound message. Instead of saying, "greet each other" it says, "greet yourself." [An-Nur 24:61]. Instead of saying, "do not defame each other," it says, "do not defame yourself." [Al-Hujurat 49:11]. Instead of saying, "do not kill each other," it says, "do not kill yourself." [An-Nisaa 4:29]. The message is clear: Whatever is happening to others in the Brotherhood, is actually happening to yourself. Any aggression against any part of the Brotherhood is an aggression against all of it.

"It is sufficient evil for a Muslim that he should look down upon his brother. The life, wealth, and honor of a Muslim are inviolable by another Muslim." [Sahih Muslim].

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves.... " [Al-Fat-h 48:29].

The Prophet (s) said: "You cannot enter paradise unless you become a total believer and you won’t become a total believer unless you love each other."

Allah’s Messenger (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, forsake him, or despise him."

"The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy." (QS. hujurat:10)

 

[جوري]

of the 6 Iraqi friends that I have excluding those who are colleagues and dear friends of my father, I have not encountered one that shares this lady's sentiment ..regardless of whether Sadaam was an SOB or not...Sadaam the poor cretin didn't play it right like the rest of the despots they don't know how to keep their friends..When he decided to sell that oil in Euros it pretty much sealed his fate..small despotic puppets are a plaything to the powers that be.. but if you think the American army is there out of the good of their heart and they want to help you, or if you skulk & brow nose them sufficiently that you'll live in comfort & riches I urge you to have another look at how fast they dropped their 'friends' when their own interest came to the foray..

is anyone that naive though?

 

[Ramadhan]

If the US government truly cares about Iraq and Afghanistan and has no other motive but altruism, then it should withdraw all military personnel and only send doctors, nurses, engineers, builders, etc and give money to build school, hospital, roads, bridges, etc. and only when the Iraqis and Afghanistan wants it.
Otherwise it's all baloney.

 

[Abz2000]

I guess I was wrong, bush must have loved the Iraqi people so much that he wanted to liberate them from that tyrant who his father armed to the teeth, and also used against Iran, before hanging him and getting Shias to cheer in a photoshoot,

Sorry for thinking that bush was a lying traitor and that he brutally murdered over a million innocent Iraqis out of greed,

I guess the WMD threat must've been a lie to secretly free the Iraqis from their previously pro us dictator who was now serving the interests of his people,

Even the nazis were all for freedom:

The flag is high, the ranks are firmly closed
S.A. marches in quiet steady step,
Comrades shot by the Red Front and Reactionists
Their Spirits march within our ranks!
Comrades shot by Red Front and Reactionists
Their Spirits march within our ranks

Clear the street for brown Battalions
Clear the street for storm-troops.!
Already millions look with hope to the Swastika
The day for freedom and for bread is here.
Already millions look in hope to the Swastika
The day for freedom and for bread has began.

For the last time the trumpets are calling !
We are ready for struggle
Soon Hitlers flags will flutter over all the streets
The enslavement will end shortly.
Soon Hitlers flags flutter over all the streets
The enslavement will end shortly.

 

[Grofica]

If the US government truly cares about Iraq and Afghanistan and has no other motive but altruism, then it should withdraw all military personnel and only send doctors, nurses, engineers, builders, etc and give money to build school, hospital, roads, bridges, etc. and only when the Iraqis and Afghanistan wants it.
Otherwise it's all baloney.

rolling eyes it is and it has.... lots of schools and hospitals have been built and roads and bridges built...