The Price of Blind Hate

[Woodrow]

I think if we look through threads, we will discover that each and every one of us is capable of blind hate under various circumstances. One thing about blind hate is we never see it within our selves. It is always visible in the other person.

Blind Hate = other persons reaction

Justified Anger = our reaction

 

[adi8putra]

I don't defend what was done. I just addressed a false statment.

points taken, but, i did read it before (sorry, i cant remember where...) of the police shooting him because they mistook him for a muslim bomber...?:rollseyes

 

[Wild Bill]

100 dead in israel and a 1000 in lebannon

10 times the amount...slightly an unfair treatment im tierd of explaining this seems people will turna blind eye when it does not suit them...whatever...

10 times the amount in this situation merely means that the Israeli military is better equiped and trained than hezbollah, nothing more. War is unfair to innocent people, period. If hezbollah was better equiped than the Israelis, then the numbers would be opposite. Some people will turn a blind eye to the obvious things.

anger innocents and they will want revenge if at that point you wish to call them terrorists thats up to you...

If the 'revenge' is not for themselves, and/or is committed against innocent people, then they change from being an angered innocent, to an angered terrorist. Not by anyones opinion, but by definition.

 

[Wild Bill]

hmm indeed perhaps you should take that same view in palastine and let the jews be pushed out of palastine?

or is this aview that only counts against muslims??

I would like to respond but this statement makes no sense.:? There is no connection or parallel between my statement and palestine.:?

The only part that can be responded to is this,

or is this aview that only counts against muslims??

Don't pretend to know anything about me or my views on muslims, jews or any other people. You know nothing. And assume far too much.

 

[Wild Bill]

off course it is called harassment when it is done in a very brute manners. since when does someone is guilty based solely on suspicion alone?

I would agree, brutalizing someone definately falls under definition harassment. This is not what I was talking about though. I was talking about police conducting investigations and questioning people, and people not cooperating. This is something very different. I have been held for questioning, I understand they have a job to do, and I cooperated. It is inconvenient, but that's the price of living in a modern society.
Deal with it. Or move somewhere where the police don't conduct investigations because they don't care about the population.

take the instance of the two muslim brothers in england who was literally ambushed and even shot in their own house based on information that thay are terrorists? the police eventually admitted that this brothers are eventually innocent and their intelligence has flawed. if this things happened to yourself, will you not get upset or angry?

Of course I would. Law-suit anyone?

De Menezes (the brazilian) was shot dead just because of his resemblance of a muslim. Both of them are mistaken of being terrorists just bacause they are muslim!

De Menezes was not shot for resembling an arab. He ran when ordered to stop. Not just at anytime, but when there was extreme high alert for terrorism, and everybody knew this. A tragedy yes, but under the circumstances one can see how it happened. Suspicious looking guy (heavy coat) runs when ordered to stop.
No doubt if the police also felt he might be a muslim, that would also add to the overall suspicion they had. Let's not be dishonest here, a major attack happened around that time. The suspected attackers that claimed responsibility were a group called 'The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe'. Who should the police look for? Hindus? Hare Krishnas?
Anyway, I don't know why he ran. But if he had not ran he would still be alive.

I still feel the same way, I think it is better that a few feel harassed in order to keep everybody safe.

If the people that feel harassed don't like that feeling then they should cooperate. Things go smoother when you cooperate.

 

[Rou]

I would like to respond but this statement makes no sense.:? There is no connection or parallel between my statement and palestine.:?

The only part that can be responded to is this, Don't pretend to know anything about me or my views on muslims, jews or any other people. You know nothing. And assume far too much.

im not pretending heance why it was in question form my friend, as for palastine its a parrlell to what you were stating...

lets put it this way its quite clear not all muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are muslim... overall not every muslim fighting in the world today belongs under the term terrorist however many in the world decide to term them that way that is unfaior and ignorant and if the actions of these people are known as terrorisem then the two biggest terrorists in the world are israel and USA that is quite clear..and lets not assume that hezbollah would do the same as israel if they had the weapons as the response to hezbollah doing this would be quite diffrent to israel to doing this...

they would say these terrorists are unleashing a massacre and all the countries in the west would rise up and ask for the UN to attack hezbollah...however israel does the same and all that is said is we need a ceasefire and oh its in defence...

hypocrisy...

 

[Wild Bill]

overall not every muslim fighting in the world today belongs under the term terrorist however many in the world decide to term them that way that is unfaior and ignorant and if the actions of these people are known as terrorisem then the two biggest terrorists in the world are israel and USA that is quite clear..and lets not assume that hezbollah would do the same as israel if they had the weapons as the response to hezbollah doing this would be quite diffrent to israel to doing this...

The problem with your posts is that your comparisons are of completely vague things to very precise things. There is no way to comment on what you have said because a person can't be sure of what you have said. Who are "them" and "these people" precisely? Clearly many muslims fighting in the world are terrorists while many are not. Your comments point at "some muslims somewhere", well, which ones? I can't agree or disagree without knowing who it is we are talking about.

Hezbollah would not give a crap about what the response would be. If they had the weapons they would rain terror upon the people of Israel. They are committed to the destruction of Israel.

I hate to to get picky about a small detail, but your statement made no parallel or sensible connection to my earlier post whatsoever. I spoke about people not cooperating with authorities in investigations into terrorism. I also mentioned it is better that a few are unhappy in order to ensure the safety everybody. you then responded with,

hmm indeed perhaps you should take that same view in palastine and let the jews be pushed out of palastine?

There is no connection or parallel that I can see. It is completely off topic and unrelated in any way to anything that was said. I honestly can't make any sense of how it relates at all. It is like you were commenting on another topic all together.

 

[Rou]

The problem with your posts is that your comparisons are of completely vague things to very precise things. There is no way to comment on what you have said because a person can't be sure of what you have said. Who are "them" and "these people" precisely? Clearly many muslims fighting in the world are terrorists while many are not. Your comments point at "some muslims somewhere", well, which ones? I can't agree or disagree without knowing who it is we are talking about.

Hezbollah would not give a crap about what the response would be. If they had the weapons they would rain terror upon the people of Israel. They are committed to the destruction of Israel.

I hate to to get picky about a small detail, but your statement made no parallel or sensible connection to my earlier post whatsoever. I spoke about people not cooperating with authorities in investigations into terrorism. I also mentioned it is better that a few are unhappy in order to ensure the safety everybody. you then responded with, There is no connection or parallel that I can see. It is completely off topic and unrelated in any way to anything that was said. I honestly can't make any sense of how it relates at all. It is like you were commenting on another topic all together.

Not only is all this hypocritic many people who say such things and back up the situation of israel and the western powers so blindly ignore there own vaugness???

the whole point here was that not every muslim is a terrorist nor is every fighting muslim a suicde bomber!??

its ok for yourselves to be hypocritical but no on else is allowed???

i hear so many crying such things as oh syria and iran they back hezbollah!!

they are causing the problem???

what **** problem??? is lebbanon taking over israel???

are lebonese in israel???? apart from those innocents in prisons!

and what of the USA??? they fly planes in with missiles that kill many innocents in lebbanon in front of the whole worlds eyes they even go as far as refueling in britan??

such hypocrisy leaves any innocent or anyone who has lost an innocent little choice!???

what are they supposed to do lie down and die!?? let people bomb there country to the point where ten times as many people have died and 100 times have been displaced!???

keep your hypocritical views my friend i for one am fed up with the hypocrits in the west what a joke!??

i talk to my sisters and brothers that are you all blind???

in front of you all they are tearing us down and you sit there talking of daily chores and televison shows????

our people are being eliminated! dont wait for westerners to tell you that for by that time you will have no people!!!

and no suicide bombing is not the way!! a shameful act that kills no one but innocents! just beacuse they kill innocents you should not fall to the same level!! allah see's all....

 

[Wild Bill]

Maybe you have a hard time understanding. Don't ***ume you know anything about me or what I think, and you need to watch your mouth.

Not only is all this hypocritic

All what?! You have something wrong with you? Are you hearing voices? What are you even talking about?

people who say such things and back up the situation of israel and the western powers so blindly ignore there own vaugness???

Like I said before, don't ***ume anything about me, and watch your mouth with the comments on what I back up. You don't know what I back up, shut your hole and think before spewing your ignorant insults. And what the hell are you talking about anyway? Do you even know what -----vague------ means? I am being very specific about what I am saying -the exact opposite of vague- you only say things for effect don't you? There is no substance to your comments. Start by looking up the meaning of words before using them.

the whole point here was that not every muslim is a terrorist nor is every fighting muslim a suicde bomber!??

Wonderful. This is the point? Now tell me how this relates even remotely to my post about police investigations and your out of nowhere comment on it about Jews and palestine? Now we have moved to terrorists and suicide bombers? This absurd. You must be deranged or something. Each comment gets further from the topic at hand. Your comment are completely unrelated to anything that was being said in the first place.

its ok for yourselves to be hypocritical but no on else is allowed???
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Watch yourself boy. I have said nothing to be hypocritical, you know nothing about my views. You ***ume too much and know even less.

i hear so many crying such things as oh syria and iran they back hezbollah!!

they are causing the problem???

what **** problem??? is lebbanon taking over israel???

are lebonese in israel???? apart from those innocents in prisons!

and what of the USA??? they fly planes in with missiles that kill many innocents in lebbanon in front of the whole worlds eyes they even go as far as refueling in britan??

What the hell does syria, iran, lebanon, Israel, the USA, or any of this got to do with anything that I have said? Are you on medication? Have you forgotten to take it? You are all over the place, yapping about things that I have never said.

keep your hypocritical views my friend i for one am fed up with the hypocrits in the west what a joke!??

The best thing for you to do is just keep your mouth shut. You have a big mouth and flap your lips far too much. I have no idea what you are talking about, and I really don't care. But the next time you want to call me a hypocrite, don't. Just shut your hole. You know nothing of my views to call me a hypocrite.

 

[snakelegs]

how sad. there's even hate on "the price of blind hate" thread. i realize most of us are emotional about what is going on in the mideast, but lately this section is so full of hate, anger, sarcasm and polarization between muslims and non-muslims that i hardly come here any more.
if we can't even discuss with each other without hate, i wonder if there is any hope that we will ever have peace in the world. it begins with each one of us....and it doesn't look too good.
p.s. just so i don't get misunderstood i mean both muslims and non-muslims.
sad.
i wonder if we will ever be able to honour our common humanity, beyond all the labels. no one is perfect, but that would be a worthwhile thing to strive for.

 

[Looking4Peace]

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, for the title of this thread there sure is alot of hate being spread from member to member [BANANA] stop the hate and eat a banana[/BANANA]

 

[Inshallah]

Whats the point of this stupid thread????? We all know that hate crime exists, so what???? There can be nothing done about it, it's going to be a battle till the end and islam will prevail as allah wishes.

 

[Woodrow]

this thread has fallen apart and is only inciting personal arguements now. Therefore:

:threadclo