The scientific effects of saying ALLAH

[جوري]

And Purest Ambrosia, please could you provide me with a link of further info on this "Dutch Psychologist"??

That is a request you should direct to the one who presented the original article, not my person, on my behalf, I have already included one study from Duke, the article can be found in full in the American Heart Journal. 142(5):760-769, November 2001. issue entitled

Integrative noetic therapies as adjuncts to percutaneous intervention during unstable coronary syndromes: Monitoring and Actualization of Noetic Training (MANTRA) feasibility pilot.

Clinical Investigations

American Heart Journal. 142(5):760-769, November 2001.
Krucoff, Mitchell W. MD; Crater, Suzanne W. RN, ANP-C; Green, Cindy L. PhD; Maas, Arthur C. MD; Seskevich, Jon E. RN; Lane, James D. PhD; Loeffler, Karen A.; Morris, Kenneth MD; Bashore, Thomas M. MD; Koenig, Harold G. MD

peace!

 

[Karina]

Defensive? Hardly-- I am cross examining, the same as you were doing questioning the quality of the original poster!



and by all means no one is asking you to accept this-- however extensive research is done by respected scientists, and posted in scientific journals. I am also quite certain that there are scientists who are skeptical of the study itself, even if the institution that provided this one is a heavy weight contender!...

people bring their own prejudices and biases into research it is called (observer bias) if you have taken a basic medical statistics course, you'd learn what things you need to look for when judging a study, i.e. (P) value, relative risk (RR) assessment, the type of study run (most would agree that double blind, random is the best as is the case with article (I provided) by no means should be an indication that you should go assume a religious affiliation with a particular denomination, But you shouldn't be in such a hurry to be a skeptic either, when frankly, you have no knowledge of the subject at hand!


I don't know you at all, this is the second post I have read by your person!



What is the crime of the original poster?

peace!

Peace to you too! Seriously!

PS I don't know you at all either (I didn't intend to direct that comment solely at you) but may I now jump to an unreasonable conclusion and suggest that your manner indicates you have rather a large chip on your shoulder about something!

 

[Karina]

And I have also already fully acknowledged the positive physical and psychological effects of repeating certain words and actions - I am a hearty believer in it myself but that is not my point as you well know.....

 

[Karina]

FOR CLARIFICATION...

My whole point revolves around the fact that sometimes, people feel that they can post items within this forum, that make no reference to the source of the information, or to any supporting evidence.

Other individuals immediately take this information as fact - without question.

I have the personal view that this is how we are completely manipulated as a whole. By individuals, yes. By the Media - YES.

All I ask is that you take one moment to think about what you're reading. That's all.

 

[جوري]

Peace to you too! Seriously!

PS I don't know you at all either (I didn't intend to direct that comment solely at you)

I know since I didn't partake in this thread earlier for your comments to be directed at me!...

but may I now jump to an unreasonable conclusion and suggest that your manner indicates you have rather a large chip on your shoulder about something!

Indeed, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today-- and was thoroughly aggravated by another member, which might have augmented my reaction to this, however, it doesn't change the fact, that I find most non-Muslims on board relishing the moment or any opportunity to tarnish anything to do with Islam, or question the spirituality religion or even psychology of why others believe what they do...

Everyone holds a belief system even atheists, albeit a substitution to what to them seems like an archaic approach to the universe around them-- It doesn't make it "correct" or scientific-- it is what it is a substitution-- however that is a topic for another day...

FOR CLARIFICATION...

My whole point revolves around the fact that sometimes, people feel that they can post items within this forum, that make no reference to the source of the information, or to any supporting evidence.

Other individuals immediately take this information as fact - without question.

I have the personal view that this is how we are completely manipulated as a whole. By individuals, yes. By the Media - YES.

All I ask is that you take one moment to think about what you're reading. That's all.

Indeed-- however I don't think you understand what a great insult there is in that?-- you can't assume to know what other people are thinking, believing or feeling-- whether or not they exercise critical thinking... you ( not you alone) make this sweeping generalization, and it is very presumptive on your behalf. .. it is equivalent to living in a bubble ( you can't be Muslim and a scientist) -- [(You can't be Muslim and understand clinical research) -- (you can't be Muslim and a critical thinker) ( you can't be Muslim and an abstract thinker)] that is basically what I understand from these comments some of you make... Muslims are people too, we didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, and we are certainly not the country oafs many take us to be or wish us to be!

on this note I end-- This has taken as usual an exceptionally large chunk of my afternoon, and I just simply don't have the time for this!...

peace!

 

[Karina]

I know since I didn't partake in this thread earlier for your comments to be directed at me!...



Indeed, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today-- and was thoroughly aggravated by another member, which might have augmented my reaction to this, however, it doesn't change the fact, that I find most non-Muslims on board relishing the moment or any opportunity to tarnish anything to do with Islam, or question the spirituality religion or even psychology of why others believe what they do...

Everyone holds a belief system even atheists, albeit a substitution to what to them seems like an archaic approach to the universe around them-- It doesn't make it "correct" or scientific-- it is what it is a substitution-- however that is a topic for another day...

peace!

Indeed-- however I don't think you understand what a great insult there is in that?-- you can't assume to know what other people are thinking, believing or feeling-- whether or not they exercise critical thinking... you ( not you alone) make this sweeping generalization, and it is very presumptive on your behalf. .. it is equivalent to living in a bubble ( you can't be Muslim and a scientist) -- [(You can't be Muslim and understand clinical research) -- (you can't be Muslim and a critical thinker) ( you can't be Muslim and an abstract thinker)] that is basically what I understand from much of these comments... Muslims are people to, we didn't fall off the turnips truck yesterday, and we are certainly not the country oafs many take us to be!

on this note I end-- This has taken as usual an exceptionally large chunk of my afternoon as usual, and I just simply don't have the time for this!...

peace!

Well why bother... if responding to my "insulting" posts wastes so much of your precious time? And how dare you assume what I am implying? Because that's what you are doing - making assumptions (and you have only read two of my posts!!)

And why do you take my comments as insults to Muslims? Is anyone else offended - please do speak up??

Personally I am somewhat offended, no - saddened, by your almost confrontational approach to my views.

PEACE.

 

[جوري]

Well why bother

I usually write for the sake of the Muslims on board-- I don't have you "Karina" in mind!

... if responding to my "insulting" posts wastes so much of your precious time? And how dare you assume what I am implying? Because that's what you are doing - making assumptions (and you have only read two of my posts!!)

I think what you and your fellow here are implying is clearly visible to the naked eye, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to decode!

And why do you take my comments as insults to Muslims? Is anyone else offended - please do speak up??

I am a Muslim and I am offended by the undertones of your posts, not yours alone for that matter... Seems rather jejune to run to others for validation? --eh so be it!

Personally I am somewhat offended, no - saddened, by your almost confrontational approach to my views.

PEACE.

like wise!

peace!

 

[SUMMAYAH]

subhanallah

 

[Karina]

Undertones?

Hmm. If my personal profile had the "Sister" symbol right there, no reference to me being "Agnostic" and I was making the same valid point..... please do re-assure me that your (over)reaction would have been the same?

Honestly?

 

[saira-k]

wow subhanAllah

 

[جوري]

Undertones?

Hmm. If my personal profile had the "Sister" symbol right there, no reference to me being "Agnostic" and I was making the same valid point..... please do re-assure me that your (over)reaction would have been the same?

Honestly?

I don't dabble in hypotheticals-- Many threads I don't agree with here, I maintain my silence, especially if I have no prior knowledge of the subject matter... if it intrigues me then I do a little research before jumping to conclusions! and that is my honest answer...
plus, prior I have stated, my replies aren't directed toward you alone but to the gent. that states such a topic or research is and I quote, an "intellectual stagnation"... I didn't see his subscription ID to the illuminati club ....
I can't dismiss nor validate the original post!.. however there is research done to denote that there is indeed a positive outcome as a result of prayer, which I did include with a source! if he or you find that sort of thing intellectually and scientifically stultifying, there is loads of other forums where you can discuss the pseudo-science of the Muslim community and have yourself a hearty ole laugh, it is inconsequential to me what either of your persons believe, but you don't have a say in what others wish to subscribe to as a belief!

peace!

 

[Karina]

I am astounded by your over-reaction!

I have never once doubted the positive effect of certain words or actions - yes - prayer. I have already said it at least twice, maybe three times - would you like me to say it again?

I find it intriguing that you persist to twist my comments (to make me look biggoted? Or am I making hasty assumptions?) - I'm not sure what your intention is, although you're making a really good job of making yourself look highly intollerant. Please do highlight where you suspected "undertones". I would be very interested to know what I have said.

I am now going to jump to an unreasonable conclusion - that you would spend an awful lot of your day arguing black was white - am I right? No probably not.

PEACE.

 

[KAding]

I don't think this article is accurate. First of all his name is misspelled, it should probably be "Van Der Hoven", not Vander Hoven. Secondly, this psychologist "Van Der Hoven" doesn't seem to exist on the internet except for a few hundred Islamic websites. In fact, these stories often differ slightly, sometimes he is a "Professor" in the Netherlands, sometimes he is just an "psychologist". Besides, no "Van Der Hoven" has ever published anything related to psychology in any recent academic paper. I've even searched for him in Dutch, without any results at all, let alone about this finding.

This looks like a hoax.

 

[KAding]

Maybe they need something like http://www.snopes.com to investigate possible Islamic hoaxes .

 

[czgibson]

Greetings, PA,

plus, prior I have stated, my replies aren't directed toward you alone but to the gent. that states such a topic or research is and I quote, an "intellectual stagnation"... I didn't see his subscription ID to the illuminati club ....

Thanks for making that (typically polite) reference to me.

No thanks for misrepresenting what I wrote.

Try reading it again.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Greetings, PA,


Thanks for making that (typically polite) reference to me.

No thanks for misrepresenting what I wrote.

Try reading it again.

Peace

You are most welcome Mr. Pococurante! -- I am not into tightening the noose around anyone's neck, nor have I any more interest in rereading glib!... My first impression is usually the correct one!
peace!

 

[doorster]

Vander Hoven, a psychologist from Netherlands, announced his new discovery about the effect of reading the Qur'an and repeating the word ALLAH both on patients and on normal persons.

to the thread starter:

what sound do the following words/names have in common?

Allah
Yahweh
Jehova
Khuda
rama
krishna
budha
kali
jeezaz (tele-evangelist mode for Jesus)
aum (om)
auramazda

would chanting of any of the above have same magical/mystical effect or not?

why do you think that we are not allowed to chant word/name Allah repeatedly?

 

[ranma1/2]

Yes , I agree, bc we are not supposed to believe things which are not proven, even if they speak pro-Islam. But bc of the love for Islam, people tend to believe quickly without proving if it is true.

But as for the scientific effects of saying Allah, is true. I will translate the part of the video inshaAllah, of the explanation of what happens to the body when sayin the word Allah.

I think the validity of the article is an important question. however i think the issue is that others are saying that the word "allah" has some magical property. This of course seems false. I do agree that for certain people it may have a psycological effect but the same can be said for anyone that gets a relief from something they like.
Controlled breathing also seemed important but still the imphasis seemed to be on the word "allah".

Who here thinks if a christian fundie would get the same effects by saying allah?

Who here thinks that they will get the same effect by controlled breathing and saying words or similar sounds that can use similar parts of the body?

Im betting you will get better results with the latter.

 

[ranma1/2]

I am astounded by your over-reaction!

I have never once doubted the positive effect of certain words or actions - yes - prayer. I have already said it at least twice, maybe three times - would you like me to say it again?

I find it intriguing that you persist to twist my comments (to make me look biggoted? Or am I making hasty assumptions?) - I'm not sure what your intention is, although you're making a really good job of making yourself look highly intollerant. Please do highlight where you suspected "undertones". I would be very interested to know what I have said.

I am now going to jump to an unreasonable conclusion - that you would spend an awful lot of your day arguing black was white - am I right? No probably not.

PEACE.

just ignore PA. She? just loves to haze and troll others.

 

[جوري]

a deus ex machina has come to save the day, but as usual comes up empty--an ostentatious sable coat!

peace!